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cloudboy -> Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/13/2014 6:31:08 PM)
The Republican Party has finally admitted what has been fairly obvious for much of the past six years: It produces fake news. • White House covering up high level involvement in FAST AND FURIOUS gun progam. • Obama White House pushed through money for Solyndra to pay the president’s political cronies even though officials knew the solar-energy firm was going bankrupt. • Obamacare would bring about the collapse of the American health-care system and replace it with socialized medicine and death panels. • The IRS scandal, it was alleged, could be traced back to the White House, which targeted Obama’s enemies for political reasons. • For nearly two years, Republicans have been alleging all manner of scandal involving the 2012 attacks on U.S. facilities in the Libyan city. That somebody — Hillary Clinton? — issued a stand-down order to prevent help from getting to American officials under fire; that Clinton rejected pleas for more diplomatic security in Libya; and that the Obama White House pushed false talking points to play down the terrorist attacks before the election. ALL FALSE/FAKE NEWS STORIES purveyed by Republican Operatives. As we've seen on this message board, the truth does not matter to the Republican Base. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-republicans-embrace-their-phoniness/2014/08/13/f01ee0ca-2319-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

cloudboy -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/13/2014 6:34:49 PM)
RE: Benghazi: Now there’s a bipartisan report, adopted unanimously by the GOP-controlled House Intelligence Committee on July 31, awaiting declassification by the administration. It throws yet another bucket of cold water on the conspiracy theories. In a statement, the top Democrat on the panel, Dutch Ruppersberger (Md.), said the report finds that: “[T]here was no intelligence failure surrounding the Benghazi attacks.” “[T]here was no ‘stand down order’ given to American personnel attempting to offer assistance that evening, and no American was left behind.” “[T]he talking points reflected the conflicting intelligence assessments in the days immediately following the crisis.” “[T]here was no illegal activity or illegal arms sales occurring at the U.S. facilities in Benghazi.” “And there was absolutely no evidence, in documents or testimony, that the intelligence community’s assessments were politically motivated in any way.” The report is not yet public, and Republican sources indicate that there is more disagreement in the report than Ruppersberger’s statement indicates and that the report is not as exculpatory as he implies. But there has been no challenge from the Republican side to the accuracy of the findings Ruppersberger detailed in his statement. Now that the truth is catching up to them, House Republicans will need to stay one step ahead. Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), chairman of the select committee on Benghazi, told CNN’s Deirdre Walsh last week that, despite what the Intelligence Committee found, “there is more work to be done and more to be investigated.” Excellent. Maybe he can post his phony accusations on some fake news Web sites. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-republicans-embrace-their-phoniness/2014/08/13/f01ee0ca-2319-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

Kirata -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/13/2014 7:39:29 PM)
If Dana Milbank says so, it must be true. K.

njlauren -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/13/2014 8:21:09 PM)
Not a big surprise, the whole right wing game plan is based on this kind of crap, from right wing talk radio to slime sites like the "Drudge Report" to of course Faux News....if the truth doesn't fit your agenda, manufacture it, create 'factoids', where they take a true event but then put their 'spin' on it, claiming it to be fact with zero proof. Anyone remember the Vince Foster suicide, claiming the Clintons had him killed? Like the faith of their base, which is based on the notion never let facts or the truth between themselves and their twisted view of the bible, the GOP never lets facts in the way of a whopper designed to fire up their base. Anyone remember the Niger Yellowcake that proved Hussein had WMD intentions? Anyone recall that the viewers of Faux News, as late as 2005, still believed that Hussein was part of the picture of 9/11, even though by then that was proven complete fiction, a fantasy created by the Bush administration...or the many in the GOP base that still believe Iraq had WMD's and mysteriously hid them in Syria, where they remain missing 11 years later..... And basically, they GOP doesn't believe there is truth behind this, they figure they will continue drumming up this crap, and it will fire up their base of morons down south and the farm belt types who gave up thinking a long time ago. They know damn well that other than their base, most Americans think their claims are bullshit, the way that most Americans these days believe that Global Warming is real (close to 70%) , while less than 20% of the GOP base believes Global warming is real (something like 45% of them believe another Ice Age is going to hit, and when asked why, they point to talking points on right wing blogs and on talk radio, that mention the theory floated in the 70's about a new Ice Age and saying "Scientists are saying that"..when it is a)45 years old b)it never was taken seriously by the scientific community and c)it was in Newsweek, not a science Journal (scientific journals refused to publish papers claiming a new Ice age was happening, because their 'theory' was shoddy and failed to back up its assertions). It will probably fire up the boobs enough to get hard core conservatives through primaries and win the usual places, but it isn't going to work with most of the US, the GOP's approval rating last I checked was around 15%.

MrRodgers -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/13/2014 11:38:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata If Dana Milbank says so, it must be true. K. To my dismay though...they are all cowards and never ask the real tough questions of anybody anymore whether it's dems being amateurs or repubs being the real pros here. I've always wondered why right wing radios spin sells and the left wing's...doesn't.

SadistDave -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/14/2014 12:51:04 AM)
The National Journal article Dana Milbank referenced has virtually nothing to do with his opinion piece referenced by the OP. Imagine my surprise... [8\|] The actual NJ article is about the NRCC launching websites that look like news sites to attack Democratic Party candidates. Nothing more. Nothing less. Milbank created a series of phony connections to that story, for which he provides no other source material. How phony is the Milbank article? I Googled one of the alleged quotes by Dutch Ruppersberger, “[T]he talking points reflected the conflicting intelligence assessments in the days immediately following the crisis.”, and got 5 hits. The Milbanks opinion piece and 4 re-postings. Dana Milbank's article appears to be the only source for this quote. Imagine my surprise... [8\|] The O.P. made even more phony connections to the story that don't appear to be in evidence. Imagine my surprise... [8\|] -SD-

DomKen -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/14/2014 7:59:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave I Googled one of the alleged quotes by Dutch Ruppersberger, “[T]he talking points reflected the conflicting intelligence assessments in the days immediately following the crisis.”, and got 5 hits. The Milbanks opinion piece and 4 re-postings. Dana Milbank's article appears to be the only source for this quote. And Milbank told you directly where it came from. Why do you think it would have some other source? He got it straight from the Congressman. That is why it is credited to him and in quotes.

cloudboy -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/14/2014 8:09:22 AM)
Don't forget the swift boaters.

NorthernGent -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/14/2014 1:08:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy As we've seen on this message board, the truth does not matter to the Republican Base. No serious person would entertain such comments for reasons that shouldn't need to be stated. Think you've let yourself down here, and it's pretty much a case of you're starting to not make any sense.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/14/2014 2:44:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy As we've seen on this message board, the truth does not matter to the Republican Base. No serious person would entertain such comments for reasons that shouldn't need to be stated. Think you've let yourself down here, and it's pretty much a case of you're starting to not make any sense. Let me add in my agreement. The truth as determined by...who? The left? Hard core left columnists? For that matter, hard core right columnists? Polls? There's njlauren up there stating that 70% of Americans believing in global warming. True? Maybe. But it all depends on how you package it, doesn't it? According to Gallup, there are 3 distinct groups: the Concerned Believers at 39%, the Mixed Middle at 36% and the Cool Skeptics at 25%. Since 2001, the percentage of C.B.S has remained the same, the percentage of C. S.S has risen and the percentage of M. B.S has declined. http://www.gallup.com/poll/168620/one-four-solidly-skeptical-global-warming.aspx So, the "true" belivers ranks have stayed the same. So where did the declining Mixed go? Well, I'd have to say to the Cool Skeptics since they're the only groups whose ranks increased. But you know what? I am pretty damn sure that a poll could be found that states it just the way njlauren does. But it would probably be done by a left wing source just as most of the stuff you put out, cloudboy.

DomKen -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/14/2014 3:12:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy As we've seen on this message board, the truth does not matter to the Republican Base. No serious person would entertain such comments for reasons that shouldn't need to be stated. Think you've let yourself down here, and it's pretty much a case of you're starting to not make any sense. Let me add in my agreement. The truth as determined by...who? The left? Hard core left columnists? For that matter, hard core right columnists? Polls? There's njlauren up there stating that 70% of Americans believing in global warming. True? Maybe. But it all depends on how you package it, doesn't it? According to Gallup, there are 3 distinct groups: the Concerned Believers at 39%, the Mixed Middle at 36% and the Cool Skeptics at 25%. Since 2001, the percentage of C.B.S has remained the same, the percentage of C. S.S has risen and the percentage of M. B.S has declined. http://www.gallup.com/poll/168620/one-four-solidly-skeptical-global-warming.aspx So, the "true" belivers ranks have stayed the same. So where did the declining Mixed go? Well, I'd have to say to the Cool Skeptics since they're the only groups whose ranks increased. But you know what? I am pretty damn sure that a poll could be found that states it just the way njlauren does. But it would probably be done by a left wing source just as most of the stuff you put out, cloudboy. Strangely science isn't a matter of public opinion.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/14/2014 3:35:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy As we've seen on this message board, the truth does not matter to the Republican Base. No serious person would entertain such comments for reasons that shouldn't need to be stated. Think you've let yourself down here, and it's pretty much a case of you're starting to not make any sense. Let me add in my agreement. The truth as determined by...who? The left? Hard core left columnists? For that matter, hard core right columnists? Polls? There's njlauren up there stating that 70% of Americans believing in global warming. True? Maybe. But it all depends on how you package it, doesn't it? According to Gallup, there are 3 distinct groups: the Concerned Believers at 39%, the Mixed Middle at 36% and the Cool Skeptics at 25%. Since 2001, the percentage of C.B.S has remained the same, the percentage of C. S.S has risen and the percentage of M. B.S has declined. http://www.gallup.com/poll/168620/one-four-solidly-skeptical-global-warming.aspx So, the "true" belivers ranks have stayed the same. So where did the declining Mixed go? Well, I'd have to say to the Cool Skeptics since they're the only groups whose ranks increased. But you know what? I am pretty damn sure that a poll could be found that states it just the way njlauren does. But it would probably be done by a left wing source just as most of the stuff you put out, cloudboy. Strangely science isn't a matter of public opinion. And your answer would make sense if that was the point of the discussion. But it's not. As for the scientific opinions that swirl around global warming and its causes, there is not 100% percent agreement among the scientists either...as has been discussed ad nauseum in these forums.

Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/14/2014 4:43:33 PM)
* yawn * Where ya been? It's been outrageous lies since the Canuck letter and the dirty tricks division in 1972. Hardly a secret. The issues are that (1) the base doesn't care if their leadership lies, and (2) people aren't interested in whether what they read on the Internet is true, as long as it echoes their bias. And reality is, the majority are happy with this state of affairs. And the dirty tricks work. Very well.

cloudboy -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/14/2014 4:47:14 PM)
I think the term is political blood sport. I don't think you were here during the FIDO era. He was posting all sorts of unsubstantiated crap.

joether -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/15/2014 5:10:52 PM)
6 years? Try 11 Cloudboy.... That's right, where are all those 'Weapons of Mass Destruction" we were told were in 'massive stockpiles'? We were told by all the important people in that Republican White House, that Saddam had plans and was going to use them on the United States and its allies. That and Iraq's (and its leader's) close ties to Al-Qaeda. I like to know why conservatives and libertarians haven't held them to any level of real accountability and responsibility with power! Its 'ok' if Republican/Tea Partiers lie, cheat, and make shit up; but if Democrats do it....its just 'wrong'. Or how about why all those 'flat tax' schemes are always loaded on political ideology and light on actual data on how it would work? Because they know those flat taxes would not be in the 5-13% range, but in the 42-57% range. I like how those 'fiscal conservatives' are always silent when Republican/Tea Party spend high on the hog, or waste taxpayer dollars on political actions. Since we haven't seen one thread of them bitching about the 43 failed attempts to defund the Affordable Care Act. Or the numerous bills that got sent to the Senate, KNOWING, those bills never had a chance of passing. Its like reversing the situation: Democrats have the House and Republicans then Senate. The Democrats in the House sending hundreds of bills to basically remove the 2nd amendment; what do the Republicans do in this case? If they kill those bills, they are just hypocrites! The Republicans in the US House of Representatives pushed for bills that they knew attacked, undermined, and removed the sort of stuff Democrats would never vote on, given who voted them into office. An it was a conservative US Supreme Court that stated that corporations are people too! Anyone can have firearms, including the mentally/emotionally unstable. Because there has NEVER been any mass shooting due to some person with guns and some really bad head problems in this nation! Then there are all the Tea Partiers. What have they done for this nation since coming into office? Absolutely NOTHING! Must be tough to sit on those committees and not give a shit what happens; just as long as there's more chaos in the nation. And helping the nation out? That group could care less what happens to anyone except themselves. How about that conservative media? The ones that behave more like a mouthpiece of the GOP/TP. Placing Democrats and liberals in the worst light....even if....they have to lie to do it (and caught every time so far doing it). While placing Republican/Tea Partiers in the best possible light, while down playing the real evidence and facts. These people have knowing....LIED....to their viewers on a very wide range of topics and issues, and feel no compulsion to correct themselves when their facts are proved...WRONG...but others. Not only that, but they use conversational hypnosis and NLP during their programming to get their viewers to think in a particular way. Its unethical to do at best, it should be criminal at worst! And that's why in 2016, Hillary Clinton will be the first female US President. Sen. Elizabeth Warren with be the first female Vice President. Congress will have a heavy shift away from the Republican/Tea Party lies and failed gimmicks, electing Democrats. And those Democrats will help show what sort of individuals join the Republican/Tea Party. Hopefully making them both minority parties. But don't worry, we still have another two years ahead of us for even more bullshit, crap, and total lies to escape republican/tea partier/conservative/libertarian months....

cloudboy -> RE: Republicans embrace their phoniness (8/15/2014 6:00:59 PM)
I would like to see Warren ahead of Clinton. My fingers are crossed. If you unite the women, Hispanic, gay, educated, and base Democratic voters together, I think she could wipe the floor with Chris Christie or whoever the next hopeful would be. It was unseemly using Karl Rove as a political operative in the White House as opposed to being a public servant.

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