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DaddySatyr -> Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/14/2014 10:43:04 PM)


Some people are just born with a sense of entitlement, I guess.

Robin Williams' daughter has suspended her social media accounts because people were "being mean" to her.

Her complaint?

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I will be leaving this account for a [sic] but while I heal and decide if I'll be deleting it or not. In this difficult time, please try to be respectful of the accounts of myself, my family and my friends. Mining our accounts for photos of dad, or judging me on the number of them is cruel and unnecessary. There are a couple throughout, but the real private moments I shared with him were precious, quiet, and believe it or not, not full of photos or 'selfies'.



So, apparently, a bunch of people "complained" that there weren't enough photos of her dad on her accounts and instead of just blocking people or just silently not paying attention to her accounts, she had to make a big deal out of it.

I never knew my father but I've lost a son. I didn't make a big deal about it and I didn't pay attention to my computer for quite some time.

Well, her little hissy fit prompted a response from Twitter. Cyber "bullying" (you know, where the "victim" is locked in their room, in some cases, behind big walls, guarded by men with guns) is not going to be tolerated by Twitter.


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Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?



DesFIP -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 3:51:44 AM)

I'm going to have to disagree with you. She went online for support from friends and instead strangers left nasty comments.

As far as cyber bullying goes, it's a huge problem.



AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 4:26:32 AM)

I can't imagine what it must be like to grieve for a loved one when they're such a public figure, in this age when anyone can make their feelings known. Grief is different for everyone anyway, but there's no way that the deceased being incredibly famous doesn't create totally different complications.

It seems like a pretty mild statement from someone who is in a lot of distress. I don't see that she did anything wrong by expressing her disappointment.

I'm sorry that you've suffered a loss, but I don't think any of us can reasonably say 'I dealt with it this way, so your response is wrong'.



TNDommeK -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 5:40:34 AM)

I think that's the issue with social media. People want a million followers so they add anyone, instead of just friends. Everything I have that social is private. Well as far as people being able to leave nasty comments. Of course I'm not hip on how twitter works but I know that a friend wouldn't have been nasty like that to her. I am deeply saddened by her loss but she kinda should expect that from the internet. People are idiots nowadays and aren't remorseful for shit. Maybe she should start blocking some people from her followers list or do like DaddyS did and back away from the computer.


Btw, DS, sorry for your loss as well.



DesFIP -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 7:58:28 AM)

I don't have twitter but my kids do, and I gather that there's no way to set it to private only.
The other thing here is that depression is very often a genetic disorder. And it's quite possible that she also suffers from it. At which point the bullying hits even stronger than it does to people without it.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 8:03:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

I can't imagine what it must be like to grieve for a loved one when they're such a public figure, in this age when anyone can make their feelings known. Grief is different for everyone anyway, but there's no way that the deceased being incredibly famous doesn't create totally different complications.

It seems like a pretty mild statement from someone who is in a lot of distress. I don't see that she did anything wrong by expressing her disappointment.



I probably convoluted my point and for that, I apologize.

My point is: How is "complaining" about there not being enough photographs considered "bullying"?

I am not denying this young lady her grief over the loss of her father. I am saying that if she was that "raw", perhaps social media isn't the place for her.

Certainly, she felt okay with pouring out her emotions, publicly. Shouldn't her father's fans feel that same freedom? For people that had no actual connection to the man, photos and anecdotes from people who knew him have to suffice as their ability to grieve the loss.







Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?



DesFIP -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 8:19:41 AM)

I doubt that's all that she received. But it's all she felt okay mentioning.

There are really horrible people in this world who believe by putting someone else down, they make themselves bigger. And I can well imagine the daughter of a celebrity being told that obviously she didn't love her father or she would have made her fb account a shrine to him. And much worse.



Gauge -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 9:05:04 AM)

DaddySatyr, let me say first that I am sorry for your loss.

With that said, she did not throw a fit because people were mining pictures from her account. Her account had Photoshopped pictures of her father posted to it by some trolls... I didn't search really hard for the pictures, but I can only imagine what they could have been. Along with the pictures, many horrible comments were posted as well, again, I haven't really looked all that hard for any examples of them.

I think she handled the situation well, and did exactly what she should have which was not give the trolls the satisfaction of any recognition for her to shut her account down.


http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/zelda-williams-quits-twitter-instagram-after-robin-williams-death-2014138



DommeinRochester -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 10:51:35 AM)




"Some people are just born with a sense of entitlement, I guess. "

How is her leaving Twitter a case of entitlement?

Even if all that was posted to her twitter page is what you quoted, that's her choice. Dear God, her father hung himself and people are demanding she post photos of him.

How did she make a big deal out of it? She posted on HER page she was leaving twitter. Media sources posted articles about it, not her

I'm sorry for your loss. You chose to grief your way, she had no say in it. Now she gets the same courtesy, she gets to decide how she needs to grieve.

Bullying is bullying is bullying. Why should it be tolerated anywhere?




GreedyTop -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 11:43:59 AM)

I would really love there to be a LIKE button here. Several posts on this thread would have made me click it.



GoddessManko -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 11:53:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

I think that's the issue with social media. People want a million followers so they add anyone, instead of just friends. Everything I have that social is private. Well as far as people being able to leave nasty comments. Of course I'm not hip on how twitter works but I know that a friend wouldn't have been nasty like that to her. I am deeply saddened by her loss but she kinda should expect that from the internet. People are idiots nowadays and aren't remorseful for shit. Maybe she should start blocking some people from her followers list or do like DaddyS did and back away from the computer.


Btw, DS, sorry for your loss as well.


Bingo, this is applicable to anyone. You go online seeking support on the "legacy" of your father and you should expect the internet to be a free for all. When my father died no one knew outside of my immediate family. I took the time I needed for myself so I can continue on with my life without batting an eyelash. But as was said, people cope with grief and loss differently. But I don't understand those who seek fame and then complain about invasion of privacy. I agree with DaddySatyr there.
When Julia Roberts lost her sister to suicide and she was actually blamed for it, she did a rather classy thing, remained silent and withdrew from the spotlight. There were no twitter comments, no interviews, no requests for pity. She's one tough empress, I can tell you that.



littleladybug -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 12:23:37 PM)

Yes, one can expect the internet to be a "free for all", but when obviously photoshopped images are posted onto an account? That is, in my opinion, crossing the line, and I do not blame her one bit for calling attention to it. Just because someone decides to be on social media, whether they are "famous" or not, doesn't mean that they should accept shit like this.

There is no indication that I see that she specifically started that account to "seek support for the legacy of her father". Perhaps someone who actually participates in these sites (unlike myself) could verify that?

When my fiancee passed away, our (relatively) small circle of family and friends were posting to social media, with photos and memories. I tell you what...if some trolls decided that it would be "fun" to be shitheads, the response would have been the same as Zelda's. Of course, it wouldn't make national news, but really...someone should have to tolerate that crap simply because they have a social media account? That's ridiculous.





GoddessManko -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 1:03:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

Yes, one can expect the internet to be a "free for all", but when obviously photoshopped images are posted onto an account? That is, in my opinion, crossing the line, and I do not blame her one bit for calling attention to it. Just because someone decides to be on social media, whether they are "famous" or not, doesn't mean that they should accept shit like this.

There is no indication that I see that she specifically started that account to "seek support for the legacy of her father". Perhaps someone who actually participates in these sites (unlike myself) could verify that?

When my fiancee passed away, our (relatively) small circle of family and friends were posting to social media, with photos and memories. I tell you what...if some trolls decided that it would be "fun" to be shitheads, the response would have been the same as Zelda's. Of course, it wouldn't make national news, but really...someone should have to tolerate that crap simply because they have a social media account? That's ridiculous.





My pics are NEVER photoshopped. :)
However back to topic at hand, You can get angry, upset, sad or what have you but it won't stop the fact that if allow complete strangers into your private life online, you should expect what comes with it, period. I just gave prime example, Julia Roberts.



Gauge -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 1:13:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

My pics are NEVER photoshopped. :)



Um... wow. No really, wow.[:)]

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However back to topic at hand, You can gt angry, upset, sad or what have you but it won't stop the fact that if allow complete strangers into your private life online, you should expect what comes with it, period. I just gave prime example, Julia Roberts.


Certainly she is no stranger to what comes with social media, she has had encounters before with problems. What you do not expect is the unfettered base nature of people to do abhorrent things to others in the wake of a personal tragedy. Her response was measured properly, and she simply closed her account. She lost her father to suicide, how one reacts to the sudden death of someone they love is anyone's guess really, to give a forum to those sub-human animals is another thing entirely. I support what she did.



littleladybug -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 1:18:19 PM)

Yes, GoddessManko, you did. BRAVA. (And, where was there an insinuation that YOUR pics are photoshopped? Hmmm....interesting response there...)

So, one should expect people to be complete dickheads, and accept it? Nah. That's why there are moderators and TOS's on websites. As far as I'm concerned, people can respectfully disagree, but once they become assholes, that's where the line is drawn.

You wanted to be "private" with your dad's death, and that's YOUR choice. You obviously have respect for Ms. Roberts for how she handled things. And, that's your prerogative. Doesn't make it THE RIGHT WAY though. Unless I'm missing something, perhaps in the "handbook of grieving"?




SeekingTrinity -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 1:31:36 PM)

~FRing it~

First, DaddySatyr...thank you for bringing a son into this world who made the decision to selflessly serve his country. And my deepest condolences at his passing while serving.

(Spacing intentional to separate subjects)
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Ok, two different versions of why she quit social media. Either the complaints about not enough photos of her father or that people were photoshopping horrible pictures and making hurtful comments. To me, it really doesn't matter the reason why. If this is her way of handling her grief over the death of her father...who am I to say she is wrong or she should do it differently?

I think the sense of entitlement rests not in Zelda Williams. It rests in the people complaining. Robin Williams may have been a public figure, but those complaining are not entitled to pictures from Zelda's social media. It rests in the people who think sending someone who just lost a loved one pictures or comments only designed to make her pain even more than it already is.

Just my humble and honest opinion



GoddessManko -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 1:32:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

Yes, GoddessManko, you did. BRAVA. (And, where was there an insinuation that YOUR pics are photoshopped? Hmmm....interesting response there...)

No insinuation needed, I just wanted to assure you that some of us do have integrity.

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So, one should expect people to be complete dickheads, and accept it? Nah. That's why there are moderators and TOS's on websites. As far as I'm concerned, people can respectfully disagree, but once they become assholes, that's where the line is drawn.

The line is also drawn where one allows it to be, as I just shift the line to include my personal experiences for *unnamed internet troll inserted here* to hypothesize all kinds of amusing things based just on that tiny tidbit of information on a public forum. That would be completely my fault if I didn't expect as much.
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You wanted to be "private" with your dad's death, and that's YOUR choice. You obviously have respect for Ms. Roberts for how she handled things. And, that's your prerogative. Doesn't make it THE RIGHT WAY though. Unless I'm missing something, perhaps in the "handbook of grieving"?


Perhaps you missed when I said this:
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But as was said, people cope with grief and loss differently.


And Gauge, I'm flattered, truly. [;)] (Is it silly of me to assume that was complimentary? Perhaps, but I'm gonna go for it anyway.) [8D]



SeekingTrinity -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 1:46:44 PM)

~FRing it~

Some folks have an uncanny and incredible ability to turn any thread on any subject into something all about them. It's endlessly fascinating to watch.

(And no, DaddySatyr...that wasn't directed at you [:)])



littleladybug -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 1:50:15 PM)

I'm sure you have tons of integrity, GoddessManko. And it's good to know you're so hyper-vigilant about stating it. As such a "private person", I'm sure it's appreciated that you ensure that the photos you post on a public website are "real".

I certainly did not miss when you stated that "people cope with grief and loss differently"....but, that was a throw-away. After you made sure that you stated what you feel is the "right" way to handle things.

Fact of the matter is, YOUR way of dealing with things is not the "correct" way. Period.






Moderator3 -> RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo (8/15/2014 1:53:38 PM)

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