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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/15/2014 5:17:38 PM

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First, DaddySatyr...thank you for bringing a son into this world who made the decision to selflessly serve his country. And my deepest condolences at his passing while serving.

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Ok, two different versions of why she quit social media. Either the complaints about not enough photos of her father or that people were photoshopping horrible pictures and making hurtful comments. To me, it really doesn't matter the reason why. If this is her way of handling her grief over the death of her father...who am I to say she is wrong or she should do it differently?

I think the sense of entitlement rests not in Zelda Williams. It rests in the people complaining. Robin Williams may have been a public figure, but those complaining are not entitled to pictures from Zelda's social media. It rests in the people who think sending someone who just lost a loved one pictures or comments only designed to make her pain even more than it already is.

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/16/2014 7:43:24 AM

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Maybe it's just me, but I found it pretty hard to think rationally and be completely politically and socially correct when I lost my parents. But that's just me.

Give the girl a break, she just lost her father. Not sure about everyone else who's complaining, bullying and/or criticizing. But if you did this past week, then you are forgiven, too. My condolences.

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/16/2014 8:11:03 AM

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Give the girl a break, she just lost her father. Not sure about everyone else who's complaining, bullying and/or criticizing. But if you did this past week, then you are forgiven, too. My condolences.

My only criticism of this young lady has been here and has been directed at the stupidity of her reasons for her social media departure.

She said that her reason was that people were complaining that she didn't have enough photos of her dad posted; that people were just looking to "mine her feed" for photos of her dad.

Others have said that there were other things going on. I've seen nothing about that and I tend to think that if this young lady were so upset, she wouldn't have left out such major things as photo-shopped photos posted to her page.

I don't know how either of these sites work because I don't use them. Now, if someone did photo-shop an image, as long as it wasn't in really bad taste, who cares? More importantly; how is that "bullying"? As I stated in my OP, it's not like people can't turn the fucking contraption on their desk off.

The entitlement I mentioned is these people who enjoy all of what celebrity (or close orbit to a star) brings them but don't want to deal with the draw-backs.

Yes, this young lady lost her dad and I'm sure that's a terrible thing and my heart goes out to her but when you take to the public arena to pronounce your pain and gain all the sympathy you can, you have to take the "negative" feedback also (although, I will re-iterate that I don't see people complaining about a lack of photos as being a huge negative).

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On a side note: I didn't mention the death of my son for any kind of sympathy. I mentioned it as an example of online inter-actions in this type of situation.

I don't wish to hijack my own thread but I do wish to acknowledge the condolences I've received. Thank you, all who offered them and please know that they were well received, even in the act of trying not to notice them.

I am seriously considering e-mailing one person, in particular. Something I rarely do.

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Now, having re-broached this subject:

When my son died (almost 19 months ago), I knew better than to share it here; especially considering the tone in P&R.

Months later, when his death was relevant to something that was being discussed in one of the threads, one person made a scumbag-ish comment. I didn't flounce. I didn't report the ass muncher. I put them on hide and went on about my business.

This young lady appears (to me) to have run to social media for some part of her grieving process (what a shame that is, in-and-of itself) and now, is getting upset about what seems like awfully small potatoes.

Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/16/2014 8:23:09 AM

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Ok I didn't understand that there were photoshopped pics and that twitter cannot be set to private.
But with the example of Julia Roberts, withdrawing from any social site might would have been best.

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/16/2014 8:25:55 AM

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But addressing the nastygrams would show the trolls that they got to her. Far better not to mention the kinds of awful things she received. Of which I'm sure the kindest was a variant of 'if I had a kid like you, I'd off myself too".

And I'd bet real money that she did receive those kinds of comments and pics of her father photoshopped with a noose around his neck.

Because people are evil and hateful and enjoy letting out those feelings through the anonymity of the internet. And who better a target than a pretty girl with money and social status who reminds them of every girl that's ever turned them down?

Yes, if she was honest about what she received, then you would feel pity for her. But the trolls would double/treble their attempts to hurt her.

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/16/2014 10:19:57 AM

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This is a fast reply.

This message contains a link that has a picture which may be disturbing for some people. You have been warned.

I did a little digging and found one of the pictures that was posted. I am sorry that it is not from a major news site to enhance its credibility but no good news outlet would have posted this. http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/08/nsfw-fake-dead-picture-of-robin-williams-causes-zelda-williams-daughter-to-quit-twitter/ It is not a good website and I am not trying to pass it off as anything but what it is, a fairly cheesy site that didn't care if they reposted the picture.

For those that do not wish to see it, it is a picture of a man who looks very similar to Robin Williams laying on a morgue table with marks around his neck. The original picture came from an article from a South American Forensic Pathology website. It was digitally altered to make it look like Mr. Williams.

I have read several articles that point to her being harassed with fake pictures as well as just simply hateful shit about her Dad's suicide. Why is this so difficult to believe? A quick Google search will explain why she left Twitter and other social media sites. She did the exact right thing in not acknowledging the trolls. One article I read states that while the two main accounts responsible for the majority of the trolling have been suspended along with many others, the two idiots apparently have opened new ones and are bragging about the attention they received.

Edited to add the disclaimer and to correct my shitty writing before having a full cup of coffee.

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/16/2014 11:15:26 AM

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When my son died (almost 19 months ago), I knew better than to share it here; especially considering the tone in P&R.

I'd have done the same thing, in your position, I think. Suddenly, you're defences are all down. Fine, with the majority of people, who will be sympathetic and want to help. But the one person who wants to be destructive can bruise one's soul all too easily at a time like that. Well done for getting through it, DS.

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/16/2014 11:22:04 AM

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I think that what's really going on is that Daddy Satyr is a good person who has never had to confront evil. He hasn't had to deal with Westboro Baptist disrupting his son's funeral, as Zelda is going to have to deal with when burying her father. He has no first hand experience with evil and is therefore naïve about other people when they don't dot all the i's and cross all the t's in order to explain it to him. Like showing that picture you found.

But that luxury of not believing in evil isn't something most women can afford. One in four have been raped. If we're single mothers then we've gotten evil people sending us illegal letters about wanting to sexually abuse our children. If we reject someone, we get anything from insults to death threats. As a Jew of my generation I've known Holocaust survivors. I believe in the existence of evil.

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/17/2014 8:23:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Give the girl a break, she just lost her father. Not sure about everyone else who's complaining, bullying and/or criticizing. But if you did this past week, then you are forgiven, too. My condolences.

My only criticism of this young lady has been here and has been directed at the stupidity of her reasons for her social media departure.

She said that her reason was that people were complaining that she didn't have enough photos of her dad posted; that people were just looking to "mine her feed" for photos of her dad.

Others have said that there were other things going on. I've seen nothing about that and I tend to think that if this young lady were so upset, she wouldn't have left out such major things as photo-shopped photos posted to her page.

I don't know how either of these sites work because I don't use them. Now, if someone did photo-shop an image, as long as it wasn't in really bad taste, who cares? More importantly; how is that "bullying"? As I stated in my OP, it's not like people can't turn the fucking contraption on their desk off.

The entitlement I mentioned is these people who enjoy all of what celebrity (or close orbit to a star) brings them but don't want to deal with the draw-backs.

Yes, this young lady lost her dad and I'm sure that's a terrible thing and my heart goes out to her but when you take to the public arena to pronounce your pain and gain all the sympathy you can, you have to take the "negative" feedback also (although, I will re-iterate that I don't see people complaining about a lack of photos as being a huge negative).

With all due respect, I think you missed my point, that at this stage of grief, she's acting on strong emotions and knee-jerk reactions and a desperate need for comfort and solace. She's not taking the time to think things through, judge the wisdom or appropriateness of them, she's just reacting. Venting in a place that's familiar TO HER. That's why I suggested not judging her too harshly AT THIS TIME.

When I got the call that my dad had died, even though we were expecting it, I still remember the feeling of bewilderment and not knowing what I should do because I had never been "there" before. I wanted to talk to someone for comfort, but there was no one to call in the middle of the night. So I went on Yahoo Messenger (this was almost 12 years ago when it was more active) and found one person that I chatted with on occasion, and I talked to him, and he was nice enough to let me unload on him.

That's what I meant by giving her a break. She's never been "here" before and she probably doesn't really know what to do from one moment to the next. And she's a LOT younger than I was. I don't disagree with what you said, I just hate to see her judged at this time for bad or inappropriate decisions right now.

For the record, the "you" I was using was meant as a general "you", to anyone reading, not you personally :)

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/17/2014 8:55:58 AM

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I find people's lack of compassion sad. The people making insulting comments during this young ladies time of grief are wastes of air. Actually I find them feeling entitled and cruel. The only private life they really are entitled to scrutinize is their own. But they don't do that cause omg they might see what pieces of shit they really are. The only parts a public person should have to endure is when they are public . She did the right thing. Looking to find support on social media will be a disappointment. Opens the door for idiots.
RIP Robin. What a kind man. Did so much for others when he himself struggled daily with overwhelming addiction feelings and sadness. A great loss of a beautiful person with wonderful depth of feeling, his greatest gift and also his curse.

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/17/2014 5:07:23 PM

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Some people are just born with a sense of entitlement, I guess.

Robin Williams' daughter has suspended her social media accounts because people were "being mean" to her.

Her complaint?

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I will be leaving this account for a [sic] but while I heal and decide if I'll be deleting it or not. In this difficult time, please try to be respectful of the accounts of myself, my family and my friends. Mining our accounts for photos of dad, or judging me on the number of them is cruel and unnecessary. There are a couple throughout, but the real private moments I shared with him were precious, quiet, and believe it or not, not full of photos or 'selfies'.

So, apparently, a bunch of people "complained" that there weren't enough photos of her dad on her accounts and instead of just blocking people or just silently not paying attention to her accounts, she had to make a big deal out of it.

I never knew my father but I've lost a son. I didn't make a big deal about it and I didn't pay attention to my computer for quite some time.

Well, her little hissy fit prompted a response from Twitter. Cyber "bullying" (you know, where the "victim" is locked in their room, in some cases, behind big walls, guarded by men with guns) is not going to be tolerated by Twitter.

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Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?

She is a victim. A stellar example of assholes who use people like her for target practice.

People that have no shame.

Can you imagine? Your Dad just hung himself (asphyxiated....whatever). You're in unbelievable pain.

And the guy across the street puts up a sign...."your Dad was a fuck face".

Not altogether awful but certainly uncalled for.

Now, multiply that by 8 billion people, 0.000001% who seem to feel a need to make themselves heard....in a negative way.

That's 8,000 brand spanking new assholes who seem to have an opinion on your Dad which differs from your own (in a time of horrifying loss), who 20 years ago could have sent horrid cards that you could have burned....today, they become worldwide news, that are actually given credence....for no reason other than that...they have a forum.

10 years later, I could deal with that.

3 days later....FUCK YOU you uninformed fucks.

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/18/2014 6:19:55 PM

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Wait, why is it worse for her to delete her accounts than it is for the other users to berate her for her choice of content to post?

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/18/2014 6:46:38 PM

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Months later, when his death was relevant to something that was being discussed in one of the threads, one person made a scumbag-ish comment. I didn't flounce. I didn't report the ass muncher. I put them on hide and went on about my business.

This young lady appears (to me) to have run to social media for some part of her grieving process (what a shame that is, in-and-of itself) and now, is getting upset about what seems like awfully small potatoes.

Sorry for your loss..

Can you imagine tho, her father being a public figure how many more scumbag-ish comments, photos, etc that she got and how overwhelming that could be. She is only 25 so likely not all that experienced, perhaps she has been sheltered from the media and public nastiness, certainly not "hardened" to the media & nastiness like Julia Roberts.. and Ms Williams did not ask to be in the spotlight.. she was just included as part of the "news stories" put out by the media so she became a target for some nutbars..

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/27/2014 12:56:28 AM

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I really do believe that your OP is showing your age. DaddyS, you've shown compassion and support on the boards, and when my Mom died earlier this year, you were very kind to me. And, we only know each other online, so you had no reason to be caring when my grief was so strong. I have the impression that you are a caring person.

When my Mom died, my kids, who are all in their 30's and their cousins, had it posted on Facebook and Twitter before her body was removed from the room. That felt "trashy" to me. I looked at them like, "Have you no respect?" Because death, to me, is a time of privacy, with loved ones. But, this is not how it is, for them.

When you wrote, "they could just turn the thing off" - I admit I laughed. Newsflash:

The next generation has been genetically modified - that bluetooth, those internet goggles and those virtual reality headsets... they are now a part of being human.

So, when she "turned to twitter for support," she was expecting support. It's how "they" communicate now.

And, Twitter's decision reflects their understanding that there IS a standard of common decency left.

I think you are on the wrong side of this one.

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RE: Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo - 8/28/2014 3:48:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Some people are just born with a sense of entitlement, I guess.

Robin Williams' daughter has suspended her social media accounts because people were "being mean" to her.

Her complaint?

quote:

I will be leaving this account for a [sic] but while I heal and decide if I'll be deleting it or not. In this difficult time, please try to be respectful of the accounts of myself, my family and my friends. Mining our accounts for photos of dad, or judging me on the number of them is cruel and unnecessary. There are a couple throughout, but the real private moments I shared with him were precious, quiet, and believe it or not, not full of photos or 'selfies'.

So, apparently, a bunch of people "complained" that there weren't enough photos of her dad on her accounts and instead of just blocking people or just silently not paying attention to her accounts, she had to make a big deal out of it.

I never knew my father but I've lost a son. I didn't make a big deal about it and I didn't pay attention to my computer for quite some time.

Well, her little hissy fit prompted a response from Twitter. Cyber "bullying" (you know, where the "victim" is locked in their room, in some cases, behind big walls, guarded by men with guns) is not going to be tolerated by Twitter.

Article

Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?

Wow!

I guess you've never had 32 katrillion people saying shit about your Dad because your Dad is an international figure...solely because they have a venue.

Whether he was loved or hated....having 32 katrillion people imputing their opinion about your/my life would seem slightly stultifying.

She wants to cut the world off? All good.

She didn't say "go fuck yourself".

That alone expresses her emeritus status.

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