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egern -> Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 5:18:49 AM)

GTA 5 Online players are virtually raping each other, should we be OK with this?

As Grand Theft Auto V Online hackers get better at modifying the game's code to do their bidding, instances of nude avatars running around naked raping others in vineyards are on the up.

Several players have reported others coming up to them in-game, locking themselves to their characters and initiating pelvic thrust animations from which there is no escape, with videos of the online 'attacks' being uploaded to YouTube.

The trend was labelled "disturbing" by The Huffington Post and the videos "too inappropriate" to embed by The Telegraph, but in a gaming series that has for years seen players gleefully maim, decapitate and bludgeon each other, is this outrage justified?



http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/gaming/gta-5-online-players-are-virtually-raping-each-other-is-this-ok-9667198.html

I see several issues here:

One is the quite practical one that it is annoying to have your game ruined by some hacker attacking a character on to your character which you cannot then get rid of.

Secondly, they do it mostly with females, and if you have been raped, this would definitely destroy at least your game!

Thirdly, is it disturbing in the light of recent real world rapes like the Steubenville case and others where the rape went on the net and the victim was hounded into suicide. It does not, to me, seem a joke.

But then people argue that it is no worse than the destruction and murder going on in the games anyway.

What to think of this?






DesideriScuri -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 5:32:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: egern
GTA 5 Online players are virtually raping each other, should we be OK with this?
As Grand Theft Auto V Online hackers get better at modifying the game's code to do their bidding, instances of nude avatars running around naked raping others in vineyards are on the up.
Several players have reported others coming up to them in-game, locking themselves to their characters and initiating pelvic thrust animations from which there is no escape, with videos of the online 'attacks' being uploaded to YouTube.
The trend was labelled "disturbing" by The Huffington Post and the videos "too inappropriate" to embed by The Telegraph, but in a gaming series that has for years seen players gleefully maim, decapitate and bludgeon each other, is this outrage justified?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/gaming/gta-5-online-players-are-virtually-raping-each-other-is-this-ok-9667198.html
I see several issues here:
One is the quite practical one that it is annoying to have your game ruined by some hacker attacking a character on to your character which you cannot then get rid of.
Secondly, they do it mostly with females, and if you have been raped, this would definitely destroy at least your game!
Thirdly, is it disturbing in the light of recent real world rapes like the Steubenville case and others where the rape went on the net and the victim was hounded into suicide. It does not, to me, seem a joke.
But then people argue that it is no worse than the destruction and murder going on in the games anyway.
What to think of this?


Where does the line get drawn? In those games, you are stealing cars. You can attack random people (male or female). You can run them down. You can ram other vehicles. I think there has been complaints raised about "Easter Eggs" hidden in the game that include pornographic or nearly pornographic gameplay, which were changed.

The problem here is the hacking. The game itself isn't the problem. If the hackers weren't successful in hacking the game, would there be a problem? IF not, then it's not the game itself. Whoever makes the game needs to address this issue. The hacking needs to be investigated and any hackers caught should be tried and punished according to the law (if found guilty).




Lucylastic -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 5:41:31 AM)

a) its only a game
b) its only online rape...theres an x to turn it off,
c) its costing the company a fortune in hacking
d) some people are pigs
e) nobody will care but the money people
f) get a real life, real rape means women should arm themselves.

[8D]




thishereboi -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 5:49:48 AM)

I wonder if they realize that that smoking hot chick they are going after online might really be a 30s something guy sitting in his boxers in his moms basement. Might kill the fantasy for a few. Personally I would be more concerned with the hacking and losing game time than I would the sexual aspect.




tj444 -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 6:09:29 AM)

I don't understand wasting your time playing an online game.. I don't play online games, I don't have any games on my computer or my cell phone.. If I was a good hacker I wouldn't be wasting my time attacking online cartoon characters, I would be figuring out how to rob a bank online & get away with it, then writing a book about how I got away with it and then have it turned into a movie about how I got away with it.. Of course, first I would move to a country with no extradition..




DomKen -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 6:36:04 AM)

These aren't hackers doing this. The correct term is modders. GTA5 was intended to be modified by fans in various ways after release. Of course these guys are taking it to possibly traumatic places. But that is what a certain subset of online gamers get off on, they're called griefers.




tj444 -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 6:42:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

These aren't hackers doing this. The correct term is modders. GTA5 was intended to be modified by fans in various ways after release. Of course these guys are taking it to possibly traumatic places. But that is what a certain subset of online gamers get off on, they're called griefers.

I see.. I would still rather be a hacker breaking into an online bank and getting away with it! [:D]




hot4bondage -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 8:35:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

These aren't hackers doing this. The correct term is modders. GTA5 was intended to be modified by fans in various ways after release. Of course these guys are taking it to possibly traumatic places. But that is what a certain subset of online gamers get off on, they're called griefers.


Yes they're called mods, but the results are about the same. A stranger gets into something that doesn't belong to them and changes it without consent. Sometimes the mods make the game unplayable. For example, the last time I played Red Dead Redemption online, all of the players were invisible. I don't see how that's much different for the company or the customers than a denial of service attack. I think there's a place for mods, as some of them are very creative, but they shouldn't be forced on people who just want to play the original game.

For what it's worth, I think the intended customizations in GTA5 were more along the lines of custom racetracks and deathmatches. Nothing that would alter the game drastically or take away the player's ability to control their own character.




egern -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 8:49:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

These aren't hackers doing this. The correct term is modders. GTA5 was intended to be modified by fans in various ways after release. Of course these guys are taking it to possibly traumatic places. But that is what a certain subset of online gamers get off on, they're called griefers.


Well, the article said 'hackers'. Intended to be modified? But hardly in a way to spoil other people's games, I assume?




DomKen -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 10:35:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: egern


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

These aren't hackers doing this. The correct term is modders. GTA5 was intended to be modified by fans in various ways after release. Of course these guys are taking it to possibly traumatic places. But that is what a certain subset of online gamers get off on, they're called griefers.


Well, the article said 'hackers'. Intended to be modified? But hardly in a way to spoil other people's games, I assume?

If you go back to the original Huffpo article you won't see hacker or hacked anywhere but you will see modified. And like I said these guys are griefers and griefers are an unfortunate fact of life in any mmo.




Gauge -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 10:42:58 AM)

This is a fast reply.

Just for clarification, programmers that manipulate/write computer code are referred to as hackers. The term has become synonymous with illegal activity or ones that write malicious code.




DomKen -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 10:51:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge

This is a fast reply.

Just for clarification, programmers that manipulate/write computer code are referred to as hackers. The term has become synonymous with illegal activity or ones that write malicious code.

To further clarify
people who modify computer games are called modders not hackers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_(video_gaming)




Gauge -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 10:56:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

To further clarify
people who modify computer games are called modders not hackers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_(video_gaming)


I know what a modder is and oddly enough they manipulate code or write code making them hackers by the original definition.

Welcome to Semantics Online the MMO.




DomKen -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 11:22:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

To further clarify
people who modify computer games are called modders not hackers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_(video_gaming)


I know what a modder is and oddly enough they manipulate code or write code making them hackers by the original definition.

Welcome to Semantics Online the MMO.


But they almost never write code. Modders usually mess with graphics files and scripts and stay away from the code. Old school hackers and crackers would be very offended by being lumped in with modders.




Gauge -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 11:40:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

But they almost never write code. Modders usually mess with graphics files and scripts and stay away from the code. Old school hackers and crackers would be very offended by being lumped in with modders.


**sigh**

I am not going to pull the topic off course just because you want to nitpick words. I yield to your prowess, you win, is that what you wanted?[8|]

In reference to the topic:

I have played many MMO's and can tell you that usually when an exploit is found, the developers patch the game as soon as possible. This is not true for all online games or companies, just the ones that are attentive to exploits and problems within their game. If the people who are doing this don't realize that it could be traumatic to a player, but then, what else is new? However, in a game where the gameplay specifically has you breaking the law and immerses you in a world of chaos, what would you expect? I certainly wouldn't expect people to care about others in that setting.


Edited to add this:

I left the above post intact mainly because I didn't want to make the appearance that I was hiding anything. Ken, I apologize specifically to you for my childish outburst. This is no excuse, but I've been having a rough day and I should have thought it out before I posted this.




ThirdWheelWanted -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/16/2014 11:53:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge

**sigh**

I am not going to pull the topic off course just because you want to nitpick words. I yield to your prowess, you win, is that what you wanted?[8|]




No offense, but you were the one who first felt the need to "clarify" things. Did it really matter if the OP was calling them hackers or modders for the purposes of this thread?

How about this hacker/modder who alters a game to make it unplayable = asshole. Change hacker and modder above to asshole and let's move on.




FieryOpal -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/17/2014 12:52:55 AM)

[sm=wtf.gif]
As parents, there are certain sociopathically inclined criminal-behavior inciting video games we never allowed our son to play, and "Grand Theft Auto" was one of them.
It also helped that our now teenager had no interest in this series or in playing racing-type games.

His father did join in with my son's enthusiasm for playing first-person shooter games and MMORPGs.
At least with battle simulation and gaining marksmanship skills, abiding by strategic mission protocols, acquiring leadership skills, learning group coordination tactics and teamwork, I feel these types of games have practical value potentially.

Now, this other Zombie Apocalypse bullcrap has gotta go... [8|]




Gauge -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/17/2014 1:59:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted

No offense, but you were the one who first felt the need to "clarify" things. Did it really matter if the OP was calling them hackers or modders for the purposes of this thread?



Actually, it was Ken that pointed out to the misuse of the word, but sure, whatever you say.




egern -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/17/2014 3:10:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: egern
GTA 5 Online players are virtually raping each other, should we be OK with this?
As Grand Theft Auto V Online hackers get better at modifying the game's code to do their bidding, instances of nude avatars running around naked raping others in vineyards are on the up.
Several players have reported others coming up to them in-game, locking themselves to their characters and initiating pelvic thrust animations from which there is no escape, with videos of the online 'attacks' being uploaded to YouTube.
The trend was labelled "disturbing" by The Huffington Post and the videos "too inappropriate" to embed by The Telegraph, but in a gaming series that has for years seen players gleefully maim, decapitate and bludgeon each other, is this outrage justified?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/gaming/gta-5-online-players-are-virtually-raping-each-other-is-this-ok-9667198.html
I see several issues here:
One is the quite practical one that it is annoying to have your game ruined by some hacker attacking a character on to your character which you cannot then get rid of.
Secondly, they do it mostly with females, and if you have been raped, this would definitely destroy at least your game!
Thirdly, is it disturbing in the light of recent real world rapes like the Steubenville case and others where the rape went on the net and the victim was hounded into suicide. It does not, to me, seem a joke.
But then people argue that it is no worse than the destruction and murder going on in the games anyway.
What to think of this?


Where does the line get drawn? In those games, you are stealing cars. You can attack random people (male or female). You can run them down. You can ram other vehicles. I think there has been complaints raised about "Easter Eggs" hidden in the game that include pornographic or nearly pornographic gameplay, which were changed.

The problem here is the hacking. The game itself isn't the problem. If the hackers weren't successful in hacking the game, would there be a problem? IF not, then it's not the game itself. Whoever makes the game needs to address this issue. The hacking needs to be investigated and any hackers caught should be tried and punished according to the law (if found guilty).



But this is not 'attacking' random people, but mostly women, and the joke is put on You tube afterwords. I do not play many games, so I have to ask you if this is normal??

Erotic scenes in themselves are not a problem, not to me anyway, but the way this mock rape is done is uncomfortably like the Steubenville cases and others where the rape was taped and put online.




Zonie63 -> RE: Hackers playing rape online (8/17/2014 8:51:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: egern


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: egern
GTA 5 Online players are virtually raping each other, should we be OK with this?
As Grand Theft Auto V Online hackers get better at modifying the game's code to do their bidding, instances of nude avatars running around naked raping others in vineyards are on the up.
Several players have reported others coming up to them in-game, locking themselves to their characters and initiating pelvic thrust animations from which there is no escape, with videos of the online 'attacks' being uploaded to YouTube.
The trend was labelled "disturbing" by The Huffington Post and the videos "too inappropriate" to embed by The Telegraph, but in a gaming series that has for years seen players gleefully maim, decapitate and bludgeon each other, is this outrage justified?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/gaming/gta-5-online-players-are-virtually-raping-each-other-is-this-ok-9667198.html
I see several issues here:
One is the quite practical one that it is annoying to have your game ruined by some hacker attacking a character on to your character which you cannot then get rid of.
Secondly, they do it mostly with females, and if you have been raped, this would definitely destroy at least your game!
Thirdly, is it disturbing in the light of recent real world rapes like the Steubenville case and others where the rape went on the net and the victim was hounded into suicide. It does not, to me, seem a joke.
But then people argue that it is no worse than the destruction and murder going on in the games anyway.
What to think of this?


Where does the line get drawn? In those games, you are stealing cars. You can attack random people (male or female). You can run them down. You can ram other vehicles. I think there has been complaints raised about "Easter Eggs" hidden in the game that include pornographic or nearly pornographic gameplay, which were changed.

The problem here is the hacking. The game itself isn't the problem. If the hackers weren't successful in hacking the game, would there be a problem? IF not, then it's not the game itself. Whoever makes the game needs to address this issue. The hacking needs to be investigated and any hackers caught should be tried and punished according to the law (if found guilty).



But this is not 'attacking' random people, but mostly women, and the joke is put on You tube afterwords. I do not play many games, so I have to ask you if this is normal??

Erotic scenes in themselves are not a problem, not to me anyway, but the way this mock rape is done is uncomfortably like the Steubenville cases and others where the rape was taped and put online.


I don't think it would be considered "normal" by any standard, although I've noticed that some gamers have a bit of...intensity...about them. I never really did get much into GTA, although it seems to be hyped more than other games. I've been into Command and Conquer, which has numerous mods available, although I generally prefer turn-based strategy games rather than these real time shoot-em-ups.

Whatever happened to the good old days of Donkey Kong, Crazy Climber, Dragon's Lair, Pac Man, Spy Hunter, Elevator Action, and all those other old favorites?

We didn't have any of that X-Box stuff, like these kids have today. We had to walk to the video arcades barefoot in the snow, with a pocketful of quarters to put in the machines.




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