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IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 1:23:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		In an act of brazen shocking brutality, the Islamist terrorist group IS today brutally executed a US citizen they had been holding. The execution, thought to be IS's response to US bombing raids on its forces in Iraq, was posted to the Internet. The executor seemed to have a British accent. That a UK citizen can murder a US citizen in Iraq underlines the international aspect of IS's plans to establish an Islamic Caliphate in North Iraq and NE Syria.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2014/aug/20/iraq-crisis-outrage-over-isis-beheading-of-us-journalist-james-foley-live-updates

It is hard to see how the US can let such a direct challenge pass unanswered. Some have suggested that the execution, and its styling as a direct challenge to the US, are a measure of how effective recent US air strikes against IS forces have been. Obama has been clear that there will be no "boots on the ground" in response to IS provocations.

So how should the US respond to this outrage? What are the implications for the ME generally? Will this lead to 'mission creep' and a more substantial US involvement in the Iraq/Syria imbroglios? More generally how should the West respond to IS, a group with a horrifying agenda of dragging the world back into the Dark Ages? What is the most effective strategy to adopt?

Has the old order in the region, which has held since the days of Sykes-Picot and the Otttomans collapsed beyond repair?

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 5:44:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		At present, this gives me just one giant feeling of 'Right, this has gone far enough'. What to do? Something radical. That's about as far as I can process it right now.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 6:22:25 AM   
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At present, this gives me just one giant feeling of 'Right, this has gone far enough'. What to do? Something radical. That's about as far as I can process it right now.

1. Carpet bomb the "caliphate" from one end to the other.
2. Have lunch.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 7:19:36 AM   
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In an act of brazen shocking brutality, the Islamist terrorist group IS today brutally executed a US citizen they had been holding. The execution, thought to be IS's response to US bombing raids on its forces in Iraq, was posted to the Internet. The executor seemed to have a British accent. That a UK citizen can murder a US citizen in Iraq underlines the international aspect of IS's plans to establish an Islamic Caliphate in North Iraq and NE Syria.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2014/aug/20/iraq-crisis-outrage-over-isis-beheading-of-us-journalist-james-foley-live-updates

It is hard to see how the US can let such a direct challenge pass unanswered. Some have suggested that the execution, and its styling as a direct challenge to the US, are a measure of how effective recent US air strikes against IS forces have been. Obama has been clear that there will be no "boots on the ground" in response to IS provocations.

So how should the US respond to this outrage? What are the implications for the ME generally? Will this lead to 'mission creep' and a more substantial US involvement in the Iraq/Syria imbroglios? More generally how should the West respond to IS, a group with a horrifying agenda of dragging the world back into the Dark Ages? What is the most effective strategy to adopt?

Has the old order in the region, which has held since the days of Sykes-Picot and the Otttomans collapsed beyond repair?


hey don't ya know these people are just misunderstood, and we should EMBRACE THEM, not oppress them?
and that the VAST majority of them are peace loving an all that?
and that Israel should be condemned for standing up to these types of people?

I just got one question, IF the vast majority of them are peace loving etc etc etc, why don't THEY stand up to these people and stop them?

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 7:49:29 AM   
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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 7:53:51 AM   
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I just got one question, IF the vast majority of them are peace loving etc etc etc, why don't THEY stand up to these people and stop them?


What would they use to teach their children to hate America "the great Satan" if they did that, instead of us? In a few years (or even sooner) even the leftists here will be using our attacks on ISIS as evidence to try to make the claim that all we do is bomb brown people and take their oil

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 8:29:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fast Reply guys: I saw that, and it was truly one of the most tragic things to happen this year. Journalism really is a thankless job. These people risk their lives daily just to make sure that we the public are informed and most of their names we don't even know. I'm truly sorry this has happened to him and his family. I can only hope that things will get better in that region. But I truly believe that Assad of Syria is the main one enabling these insurgents. Hindsight is 20/20. We should have just shut Assad down by executive order to destroy his chemical weapon supply instead of asking Congress, but I get it. Obama didn't want to be like Bush II. Not that it matters because his popularity would sink no matter what judgement call he made, no troops would have had to be on the ground (one straight shot), nothing is uniform, it's all very time, place and circumstance.
Without even considering ISIS, who even really knows where the chemical weapons might be.
Befriending Putin, the king of covert wars was a good strategic move on Assad's part. I wonder how Iran feels about all of this since they controlled the Shi'ite majority in Iraq for a long time and Putin had befriended them long before Assad and the Sunni minority of Iraq were on his radar. They need his oil anyway (sanctions due to lack of IAEA compliance) so I doubt they can say very much.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 10:45:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I have only one overriding question, where the fuck is the CIA ?

If they were so great in taking down the really and truly democratic govts. of Iran and Iraq back in the 50's and if they are so great in preventing all of the stuff they say they are great at preventing and if they were so great in taking down the govt. of Ukraine...where the fuck are they now ?

How in the fuck is Assad still in power at all ? Were in the fuck were they (CIA) in the formation of ISIS ? Are they really picking and choosing according to the neocons ? Are we supposed to have theses fights just to precipitate the continuing and never-ending, very profitable 'war on terror ?'

I think we are all being sold a fucking bill-of-goods kinkroids and could have taken all of these mofo's out a long time ago and from the inside...throw money at them like we usually do just like the great surge in Iraq which was as much a financial surge as it was military.


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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 11:04:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

In an act of brazen shocking brutality, the Islamist terrorist group IS today brutally executed a US citizen they had been holding. The execution, thought to be IS's response to US bombing raids on its forces in Iraq, was posted to the Internet. The executor seemed to have a British accent. That a UK citizen can murder a US citizen in Iraq underlines the international aspect of IS's plans to establish an Islamic Caliphate in North Iraq and NE Syria.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2014/aug/20/iraq-crisis-outrage-over-isis-beheading-of-us-journalist-james-foley-live-updates

It is hard to see how the US can let such a direct challenge pass unanswered. Some have suggested that the execution, and its styling as a direct challenge to the US, are a measure of how effective recent US air strikes against IS forces have been. Obama has been clear that there will be no "boots on the ground" in response to IS provocations.

So how should the US respond to this outrage? What are the implications for the ME generally? Will this lead to 'mission creep' and a more substantial US involvement in the Iraq/Syria imbroglios? More generally how should the West respond to IS, a group with a horrifying agenda of dragging the world back into the Dark Ages? What is the most effective strategy to adopt?

Has the old order in the region, which has held since the days of Sykes-Picot and the Otttomans collapsed beyond repair?


hey don't ya know these people are just misunderstood, and we should EMBRACE THEM, not oppress them?
and that the VAST majority of them are peace loving an all that?
and that Israel should be condemned for standing up to these types of people?

I just got one question, IF the vast majority of them are peace loving etc etc etc, why don't THEY stand up to these people and stop them?

1) Because they are dividing the country along Sunni/Shiite/Kurdish lines, and people like it that way (the Kurds certainly opposed their intrusion north).

2) Same reason people don't stand up to violent criminals with military arms here. Hello.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 11:36:38 AM   
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1. Carpet bomb the "caliphate" from one end to the other.
2. Have lunch.

Inappropriate knee-jerk reaction...

Maybe it's time to send message nobody can misunderstand. Pull out all our people and nuke 'em. I don't give a single fuck about the Middle-East anymore. I used to but all I've seen in 15 years is radical Islam taking over everything and non-radicals letting them.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 1:00:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Obama should have said he will order INCREASED drones and bombing for the killing of that reporter. And will INCREASE drones and bombing for every genocide ISIS commits. Without consequeces for their actions, they will continue to slaughter.

All these assholes understand is force. A sky full of bombs will make them rethink their killing Americans plan. Even dumb ass terrorists can understand, kill one American, we terrorists lose 1000, plus our tanks, artillery, fuel, ammunition, etc. Maybe we better go after someone else!

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 1:03:54 PM   
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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 1:09:58 PM   
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Why would he signal what he is going to do?


He shouldn't where/how/when (although he has before). He shouldn't say we'd NEVER do something (although he does that all the time).

To state there will be absolute consequences is completely different and then to follow through. It's a red line crossed. All the dead Syrians will attest to that. papassion's point is absolutely solid.



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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 1:13:26 PM   
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To loosely quote Joe Biden, ISIS is a really big fucking deal. Barack even interrupted his golfing vacation to speak about it for a minute the other day

http://www.ksat.com/content/pns/ksat/news/2014/08/18/pol-obama-hiatus-vacation.html




Cameron quit his holiday to return to 10 Downing St. He obviously did that because it was the right thing to do but I wonder if he also did it to attempt to send a message to King Barack. Not that it will work. Cameron probably still believes Barack is mistaken or prone to error rather than recognizing him for the unrepentant totalitarian that he is.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 1:22:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cameron is a bit of a twat. Rather like Hipshooter during the prez election, when he wanted to call a halt and go in and fuck up TARP even worse than it was.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 1:34:38 PM   
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Cameron quit his holiday to return to 10 Downing St.



'Bout time he got his head down and started grafting.

Not sure if you know the history with this fella but he's a marketing man by trade so you can imagine the relentless and pointless sound-bites we get from him and his associates, and he likes to be seen riding a bike to work in an attempt to show his green and athletic credentials.

Christ, that's all we need. Some mad fucker who thinks riding a bike to work demonstrates his credentials as a politician.

'Bout time we put targets on these sorts of people. You've got 5 hours to sort out the Israel/Palestine thing or you'll be sweeping the streets with the rest of us.

I don't mind him actually for a Tory boy. He's one of the better ones. And rumour has it that Merkel has been in his ear more than once in an attempt to get her hips knocked in. You wouldn't though would you: nice lady but ex-Stasi which usually means violent and domineering.


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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 1:35:06 PM   
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Cameron is a bit of a twat.


Yep. He is.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 1:36:34 PM   
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You wouldn't though would you: nice lady but ex-Stasi which usually means violent and domineering.


I bet she so hates the name 'Irma Klebb'.

ETA - oh hang on, she was S.M.E.R.S.H., wasn't she? Fun lady, though.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 1:44:02 PM   
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Cameron is a bit of a twat. Rather like Hipshooter during the prez election, when he wanted to call a halt and go in and fuck up TARP even worse than it was.


I don't disagree at all. He's no Churchill, no Thatcher. But compared to Obama, he both of them plus Alexander The Great rolled into one.

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RE: IS defies US and executes US journalist - 8/20/2014 1:44:43 PM   
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The idea of a carpet bombing does indeed have an instant pull to it. I mean, who would have thought, back in 2001, that an Islamist group would one day come along that would make Al Qaeda look like wishy-washy moderates?

But we have to remember that so much that the West has done in the ME to date has had the long term result of making things worse.

A bit of solid lateral thinking might be required, now, I think.

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