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RE: Harry Reid Tells Asians He Can't Keep His Wongs Str... - 8/24/2014 1:11:41 PM   
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yep thats for sure, there was a humdinger at the end of last mongth

In an intensely awkward congressional hearing of the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Thursday, freshman Rep. Curt Clawson misidentified two senior U.S. government officials as representatives of the Indian government.
The two officials, Nisha Biswal and Arun Kumar, are Americans who hold senior positions at the State Department and Commerce Department, respectively. Although both Biswal and Kumar were introduced as U.S. officials by the chairman of the Asia and Pacific subcommittee, Clawson repeatedly asked them questions about "your country" and "your government," in reference to the state of India.
"I'm familiar with your country; I love your country," the Florida Republican said. "Anything I can do to make the relationship with India better, I'm willing and enthusiastic about doing so."
Apparently confused by their Indian surnames and skin color, Clawson also asked if "their" government could loosen restrictions on U.S. capital investments in India.
"Just as your capital is welcome here to produce good-paying jobs in the U.S., I'd like our capital to be welcome there," he said. "I ask cooperation and commitment and priority from your government in so doing. Can I have that?"
The question prompted a lengthy pause and looks of confusion from State Department and congressional staff attending the hearing.
"I think your question is to the Indian government," Biswal said. "We certainly share your sentiment, and we certainly will advocate that on behalf of the U.S."

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/07/25/exclusive_freshman_congressman_mistakes_senior_government_officials_for_foreigners

Lucy, you trot out a freshman Republican. Clearly, pretty stupid, I agree. Right up there with POTUS's "corpsman" which obviously was blatant ignorance and an indication his brain ain't quite what it's been cracked up to be. Agree with him or not, Dr. Ben Carson has more intelligence in one hemispheric lobe than Obama in his entire brain. As for your reference to Clawson's obvious stupidity, how does that exactly compare to the SENATE MAJORITY LEADER's continually making abject racist comments. Maybe after Reid dies, he'll join Robert Byrd in KKK meetings in hell. But at least Byrd was smart but racist. Reid is a stupid and racist. Of course, Maxine Waters is a communist and a racist, but she's black, so she gets a pass. Speaking of stupidity, while you're right about Clawson, I can assure you that stupidity is equally prevalent among Democrats in Congress.


I've heard people pronounce 'Corpsmen' as both 'Corpse Men' and 'Core Men'. Just as I've heard people pronounce Worcester, MA as 'War Chester, MA". Or native Bastonian: Bastin, Mass' to those outside as 'Boston, MA'. Not everyone speaks the American English language the exact same way. It takes intelligence and an education to help determine what the person might have stated. It also takes being a decent and good person to acknowledge what the person might have stated without teasing to much.

While the Bushisms can be amusing and funny, I have to wonder what sort of pressures were on the man at the time. When we hear politicians make gafts, we are not privileged to their schedule. That we foolishly assume they are well rested and relaxed. Go back and look at those individual's schedule for the day and the ones before it. Getting 4 hours of actual sleep, hopped up on caffeine, and a very busy schedule over a period of a week; and you have the recipe for weird and dumb things to get spoken. When President Obama stated 57 states, what was he doing before than? Campaigning across multiple states, pushing his body like it was a 20 year olds? I can rattle off dozens upon dozens of politicians from both the Democrat and Republican sides that stated weird and dumb stuff to not being well rested and relaxed. And then there are people that say dumb shit, because they are dumb as shit (i.e. Sarah Palin). And there are people that say weird shit, because they are weird as shit (i.e. Rand Paul). Curious how they are both favorites of the Tea Party....

But when groups of people behave in a racist way and over a length of time (i.e. the Tea Party), the same view on individuals can not be taken. The Tea Party is an organization that attracts racists like the 1%er's attract the Republican Party.


Most of what you say about gaffes is true. I put the 57 states into that category. "corpsman" to me seems to be a different animal. We misstate facts, stop in the middle of speeches, repeat things when we're tired, sure. But I don't suddenly say KI-KAGO instead of cheh-kago. Which is why I think "corpsmen" stems from ignorance. But I could be wrong. As far as the Tea Party's being racists? Really? The Tea Party was started by libertarians. We don't give a damn about your race, color, ethnicity, sex, gender, etc. Later, many from the religious right joined it. There are different strains of tea parties, some more libertarian-run, others more religious right. As far as racism? Let's see, people clean up after rallies, families attend, there are American flags, etc. Whereas at OWS "rallies" there's rampant drug use, reported rapes, defecating in public, etc. Can I find a leftist who's made a racist statement? Sure. Can you find someone either from the Tea Party or who claims to be from the Tea Party (it's a fact there were Tea Party rally infiltrations by the left where people put up racist signs, as part of a disinformation campaign)? Sure. Is there anything in the Tea Party platform of low taxes and getting the government out of our hair that is racist? No. It is a slur to call the Tea Party racist. Reserve that for the KKK or the Aryan Nation, please.


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RE: Harry Reid Tells Asians He Can't Keep His Wongs Str... - 8/24/2014 1:13:36 PM   
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It's completely in character for a rich old white guy who only feels comfortable around the same.

Good point.

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RE: Harry Reid Tells Asians He Can't Keep His Wongs Str... - 8/24/2014 3:20:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
yep thats for sure, there was a humdinger at the end of last mongth

In an intensely awkward congressional hearing of the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Thursday, freshman Rep. Curt Clawson misidentified two senior U.S. government officials as representatives of the Indian government.
The two officials, Nisha Biswal and Arun Kumar, are Americans who hold senior positions at the State Department and Commerce Department, respectively. Although both Biswal and Kumar were introduced as U.S. officials by the chairman of the Asia and Pacific subcommittee, Clawson repeatedly asked them questions about "your country" and "your government," in reference to the state of India.
"I'm familiar with your country; I love your country," the Florida Republican said. "Anything I can do to make the relationship with India better, I'm willing and enthusiastic about doing so."
Apparently confused by their Indian surnames and skin color, Clawson also asked if "their" government could loosen restrictions on U.S. capital investments in India.
"Just as your capital is welcome here to produce good-paying jobs in the U.S., I'd like our capital to be welcome there," he said. "I ask cooperation and commitment and priority from your government in so doing. Can I have that?"
The question prompted a lengthy pause and looks of confusion from State Department and congressional staff attending the hearing.
"I think your question is to the Indian government," Biswal said. "We certainly share your sentiment, and we certainly will advocate that on behalf of the U.S."

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/07/25/exclusive_freshman_congressman_mistakes_senior_government_officials_for_foreigners

Lucy, you trot out a freshman Republican. Clearly, pretty stupid, I agree. Right up there with POTUS's "corpsman" which obviously was blatant ignorance and an indication his brain ain't quite what it's been cracked up to be. Agree with him or not, Dr. Ben Carson has more intelligence in one hemispheric lobe than Obama in his entire brain. As for your reference to Clawson's obvious stupidity, how does that exactly compare to the SENATE MAJORITY LEADER's continually making abject racist comments. Maybe after Reid dies, he'll join Robert Byrd in KKK meetings in hell. But at least Byrd was smart but racist. Reid is a stupid and racist. Of course, Maxine Waters is a communist and a racist, but she's black, so she gets a pass. Speaking of stupidity, while you're right about Clawson, I can assure you that stupidity is equally prevalent among Democrats in Congress.

I've heard people pronounce 'Corpsmen' as both 'Corpse Men' and 'Core Men'. Just as I've heard people pronounce Worcester, MA as 'War Chester, MA". Or native Bastonian: Bastin, Mass' to those outside as 'Boston, MA'. Not everyone speaks the American English language the exact same way. It takes intelligence and an education to help determine what the person might have stated. It also takes being a decent and good person to acknowledge what the person might have stated without teasing to much.

While the Bushisms can be amusing and funny, I have to wonder what sort of pressures were on the man at the time. When we hear politicians make gafts, we are not privileged to their schedule. That we foolishly assume they are well rested and relaxed. Go back and look at those individual's schedule for the day and the ones before it. Getting 4 hours of actual sleep, hopped up on caffeine, and a very busy schedule over a period of a week; and you have the recipe for weird and dumb things to get spoken. When President Obama stated 57 states, what was he doing before than? Campaigning across multiple states, pushing his body like it was a 20 year olds? I can rattle off dozens upon dozens of politicians from both the Democrat and Republican sides that stated weird and dumb stuff to not being well rested and relaxed. And then there are people that say dumb shit, because they are dumb as shit (i.e. Sarah Palin). And there are people that say weird shit, because they are weird as shit (i.e. Rand Paul). Curious how they are both favorites of the Tea Party....

But when groups of people behave in a racist way and over a length of time (i.e. the Tea Party), the same view on individuals can not be taken. The Tea Party is an organization that attracts racists like the 1%er's attract the Republican Party.

Most of what you say about gaffes is true. I put the 57 states into that category. "corpsman" to me seems to be a different animal. We misstate facts, stop in the middle of speeches, repeat things when we're tired, sure. But I don't suddenly say KI-KAGO instead of cheh-kago. Which is why I think "corpsmen" stems from ignorance. But I could be wrong. As far as the Tea Party's being racists? Really? The Tea Party was started by libertarians. We don't give a damn about your race, color, ethnicity, sex, gender, etc. Later, many from the religious right joined it. There are different strains of tea parties, some more libertarian-run, others more religious right. As far as racism? Let's see, people clean up after rallies, families attend, there are American flags, etc. Whereas at OWS "rallies" there's rampant drug use, reported rapes, defecating in public, etc. Can I find a leftist who's made a racist statement? Sure. Can you find someone either from the Tea Party or who claims to be from the Tea Party (it's a fact there were Tea Party rally infiltrations by the left where people put up racist signs, as part of a disinformation campaign)? Sure. Is there anything in the Tea Party platform of low taxes and getting the government out of our hair that is racist? No. It is a slur to call the Tea Party racist. Reserve that for the KKK or the Aryan Nation, please.


Why is it at the dozen Tea Party Rallies I've observed, that fully half the people there support racism as a way of countering the President? Or of the thousands if not tens of thousands of observations of Tea Partiers behaving in a racist mannerism on a wide variety of topics?

The Tea Party got its started thanks to the Koch brothers whom wanted an organization that would lobby on their behalf in the industries that help make them money. That while the Tea Party might have some good ideas, so did the Nazis. The problem is, for every one good idea, there are plenty of bad ones. Both groups have much in common with the other. They rely on stupid and ignorant people doing and speaking what they are told by propaganda organizations. They both hate non-whites. Not to mention gays and religions not their own. They both would gladly use weapons to oppose anyone that resists their version of government. And they both hate immigrants (illegal or not).

Why is it that the Tea Party doesn't have any decent ideas on how to deal with the abundance of problems this country has, without sounding like they have to take over and rule by fear and tyranny? Oh 'forgot', they have 'guns' which magically protect them from even being thugs and tyrants! A common concept of the United States is the ability to compromise on issues. For the Tea Party, there is no compromising. Need proof? Which political party was at the head of the partial government shutdown of last year? That would be a Tea Party favorite, Ted Cruz. And why the shutdown? There was a law the Tea Party didn't like and demanded it be removed.....OR ELSE!

How about that Clive Bundy character? Who supported him? The Tea Party. That's right, they were supporting a...CONVICTED CRIMINAL...of resisting the penalties that he was sentence to in...A COURT OF LAW! And they were willing to use arms to resist the Democratically elected government from following through on the process.

Do you hold the Tea Party to the same level of accountability and responsibility with power as you enjoy slamming the President and Democrats? An the answer is 'No'.

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Whereas at OWS "rallies" there's rampant drug use, reported rapes, defecating in public, etc.


It has happen here and there. Most of the reports are sketchy at best. And those within OWS will tell the person to report the issue to the police to handle. But the OWS is NOT a big political party when compared to the Tea Party. Its like comparing the KKK's numbers to the NAACP.

But if your stating smaller organizations should not be allowed to get out of line with its actions, words and people....

THEN....you should be holding the Tea Party to the same level of accountability and responsibility as the President and Democrats, because the Democrats, as a political party are MUCH bigger than the Tea Party. Which your not doing! Hence, the size of the organization is irrelevant. You just want to place the Tea Party in the best possible light, irrelevant of reality.

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RE: Harry Reid Tells Asians He Can't Keep His Wongs Str... - 8/24/2014 3:30:20 PM   
subrosaDom


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
yep thats for sure, there was a humdinger at the end of last mongth

In an intensely awkward congressional hearing of the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Thursday, freshman Rep. Curt Clawson misidentified two senior U.S. government officials as representatives of the Indian government.
The two officials, Nisha Biswal and Arun Kumar, are Americans who hold senior positions at the State Department and Commerce Department, respectively. Although both Biswal and Kumar were introduced as U.S. officials by the chairman of the Asia and Pacific subcommittee, Clawson repeatedly asked them questions about "your country" and "your government," in reference to the state of India.
"I'm familiar with your country; I love your country," the Florida Republican said. "Anything I can do to make the relationship with India better, I'm willing and enthusiastic about doing so."
Apparently confused by their Indian surnames and skin color, Clawson also asked if "their" government could loosen restrictions on U.S. capital investments in India.
"Just as your capital is welcome here to produce good-paying jobs in the U.S., I'd like our capital to be welcome there," he said. "I ask cooperation and commitment and priority from your government in so doing. Can I have that?"
The question prompted a lengthy pause and looks of confusion from State Department and congressional staff attending the hearing.
"I think your question is to the Indian government," Biswal said. "We certainly share your sentiment, and we certainly will advocate that on behalf of the U.S."

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/07/25/exclusive_freshman_congressman_mistakes_senior_government_officials_for_foreigners

Lucy, you trot out a freshman Republican. Clearly, pretty stupid, I agree. Right up there with POTUS's "corpsman" which obviously was blatant ignorance and an indication his brain ain't quite what it's been cracked up to be. Agree with him or not, Dr. Ben Carson has more intelligence in one hemispheric lobe than Obama in his entire brain. As for your reference to Clawson's obvious stupidity, how does that exactly compare to the SENATE MAJORITY LEADER's continually making abject racist comments. Maybe after Reid dies, he'll join Robert Byrd in KKK meetings in hell. But at least Byrd was smart but racist. Reid is a stupid and racist. Of course, Maxine Waters is a communist and a racist, but she's black, so she gets a pass. Speaking of stupidity, while you're right about Clawson, I can assure you that stupidity is equally prevalent among Democrats in Congress.

I've heard people pronounce 'Corpsmen' as both 'Corpse Men' and 'Core Men'. Just as I've heard people pronounce Worcester, MA as 'War Chester, MA". Or native Bastonian: Bastin, Mass' to those outside as 'Boston, MA'. Not everyone speaks the American English language the exact same way. It takes intelligence and an education to help determine what the person might have stated. It also takes being a decent and good person to acknowledge what the person might have stated without teasing to much.

While the Bushisms can be amusing and funny, I have to wonder what sort of pressures were on the man at the time. When we hear politicians make gafts, we are not privileged to their schedule. That we foolishly assume they are well rested and relaxed. Go back and look at those individual's schedule for the day and the ones before it. Getting 4 hours of actual sleep, hopped up on caffeine, and a very busy schedule over a period of a week; and you have the recipe for weird and dumb things to get spoken. When President Obama stated 57 states, what was he doing before than? Campaigning across multiple states, pushing his body like it was a 20 year olds? I can rattle off dozens upon dozens of politicians from both the Democrat and Republican sides that stated weird and dumb stuff to not being well rested and relaxed. And then there are people that say dumb shit, because they are dumb as shit (i.e. Sarah Palin). And there are people that say weird shit, because they are weird as shit (i.e. Rand Paul). Curious how they are both favorites of the Tea Party....

But when groups of people behave in a racist way and over a length of time (i.e. the Tea Party), the same view on individuals can not be taken. The Tea Party is an organization that attracts racists like the 1%er's attract the Republican Party.

Most of what you say about gaffes is true. I put the 57 states into that category. "corpsman" to me seems to be a different animal. We misstate facts, stop in the middle of speeches, repeat things when we're tired, sure. But I don't suddenly say KI-KAGO instead of cheh-kago. Which is why I think "corpsmen" stems from ignorance. But I could be wrong. As far as the Tea Party's being racists? Really? The Tea Party was started by libertarians. We don't give a damn about your race, color, ethnicity, sex, gender, etc. Later, many from the religious right joined it. There are different strains of tea parties, some more libertarian-run, others more religious right. As far as racism? Let's see, people clean up after rallies, families attend, there are American flags, etc. Whereas at OWS "rallies" there's rampant drug use, reported rapes, defecating in public, etc. Can I find a leftist who's made a racist statement? Sure. Can you find someone either from the Tea Party or who claims to be from the Tea Party (it's a fact there were Tea Party rally infiltrations by the left where people put up racist signs, as part of a disinformation campaign)? Sure. Is there anything in the Tea Party platform of low taxes and getting the government out of our hair that is racist? No. It is a slur to call the Tea Party racist. Reserve that for the KKK or the Aryan Nation, please.


Why is it at the dozen Tea Party Rallies I've observed, that fully half the people there support racism as a way of countering the President? Or of the thousands if not tens of thousands of observations of Tea Partiers behaving in a racist mannerism on a wide variety of topics?

The Tea Party got its started thanks to the Koch brothers whom wanted an organization that would lobby on their behalf in the industries that help make them money. That while the Tea Party might have some good ideas, so did the Nazis. The problem is, for every one good idea, there are plenty of bad ones. Both groups have much in common with the other. They rely on stupid and ignorant people doing and speaking what they are told by propaganda organizations. They both hate non-whites. Not to mention gays and religions not their own. They both would gladly use weapons to oppose anyone that resists their version of government. And they both hate immigrants (illegal or not).

Why is it that the Tea Party doesn't have any decent ideas on how to deal with the abundance of problems this country has, without sounding like they have to take over and rule by fear and tyranny? Oh 'forgot', they have 'guns' which magically protect them from even being thugs and tyrants! A common concept of the United States is the ability to compromise on issues. For the Tea Party, there is no compromising. Need proof? Which political party was at the head of the partial government shutdown of last year? That would be a Tea Party favorite, Ted Cruz. And why the shutdown? There was a law the Tea Party didn't like and demanded it be removed.....OR ELSE!

How about that Clive Bundy character? Who supported him? The Tea Party. That's right, they were supporting a...CONVICTED CRIMINAL...of resisting the penalties that he was sentence to in...A COURT OF LAW! And they were willing to use arms to resist the Democratically elected government from following through on the process.

Do you hold the Tea Party to the same level of accountability and responsibility with power as you enjoy slamming the President and Democrats? An the answer is 'No'.

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Whereas at OWS "rallies" there's rampant drug use, reported rapes, defecating in public, etc.


It has happen here and there. Most of the reports are sketchy at best. And those within OWS will tell the person to report the issue to the police to handle. But the OWS is NOT a big political party when compared to the Tea Party. Its like comparing the KKK's numbers to the NAACP.

But if your stating smaller organizations should not be allowed to get out of line with its actions, words and people....

THEN....you should be holding the Tea Party to the same level of accountability and responsibility as the President and Democrats, because the Democrats, as a political party are MUCH bigger than the Tea Party. Which your not doing! Hence, the size of the organization is irrelevant. You just want to place the Tea Party in the best possible light, irrelevant of reality.


You claim racism but you give no specific examples. Opposing affirmative action isn't racism, it's pro individual rights. Treating people as part of a collective instead of as individuals is racism. The Koch Brothers are libertarians. They are not right-wing conservatives. They are pro-free-market, ANTI crony capitalism, ANTI government favors to corporations. That's why they fund the Cato Institute. The number of OWS transgressions and the litany of anti-American signs and pro-Communist signs at their rallies is legion.

A government shutdown isn't racist. So that's irrelevant to the topic.


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RE: Harry Reid Tells Asians He Can't Keep His Wongs Str... - 8/25/2014 2:35:21 PM   
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You claim racism but you give no specific examples.


There are plenty of watch dog groups in America keeping an eye on the more 'evil' behavioral aspects of the Tea Party's members. A simple goggle search brings up plenty of examples. Take your pick.

Calling a White Supremacist a 'racists' is a complement. They like the Tea Party because they (the Tea Party) opposes laws and regulations that make it hard to level the playing field and remove 'race' from the equation. What would white racists have to gain by removing concepts like affirmative action? One might argue, Ferguson, MO is an example of what would happen if Affirmative Action were to be removed. With a police force that doesn't match the community's makeup does seem to cause friction on multiple levels. That the area was a powder key ready to explode, does point to the wisdom of keeping all parts of local government in touch with the community.

If you need an example of many racists that love the Tea Party, just head on over to Stormfront (stormfront.org).

Here are some colorful examples of Tea Party Racism.

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Opposing affirmative action isn't racism, it's pro individual rights.


Affirmative Action....is...being pro individual rights. You do not seem to educated on why or how affirmative action came into being in the first place. That people could not obtain employment not because of their individual skills and knowledge, but the color of their skin. In fact, you really don't know what that idea of 'pro individual rights' actually is defined. Its just a buzz phrase to you, and nothing more.

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Treating people as part of a collective instead of as individuals is racism.


No, treating people as a group rather than as individuals removes individuality and allows for an easier time in demonizing those groups one dislikes. Do you know any liberals on an individual basis? You hate them as a group. I know plenty of conservatives on an individual basis. Not all conservatives that have firearms are 'gun nuts' but instead 'firearm owners'. An in the past I've made that distinction known to clarify the two groups of individuals. Gun nuts want very little to any laws when it comes to firearms, ammo, and accessories. Gun owners (being conservative as well) realize that finding the balance between 'firearm access and usage' and 'firearm laws' is not easy or simple to accomplish.

Treating groups of individuals as a collective is....NOT...racism. Unless, the reason for those individuals being tied together has specifics with their skin color. Do you even know the definition of the word 'racism'?

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The Koch Brothers are libertarians. They are not right-wing conservatives.


The Koch brothers are using libertarians and conservatives as cannon fodder. They understand that most of those two groups are part of the 'Low Information Voter' crowd. You didn't even know how the Tea Party was formed! 'Low Information Voters' do not check information they are given. They accept it at face value without verifying the information as being accurate and true. Which is why so many Americans were and still are, clueless on the Affordable Care Act. They listen to media organizations (some of them with a political agenda onto themselves) for information. The information they get is lame! Two years after the ACA was past, I was schooling individuals on here about the grandfathered clause when it came up in discussion. Why? Because I read the bill! So that I could stay informed without the bullshit.

Its was funny when the Tea Party came out and said they're organization is not funded by corporations. And they hate those liberal journalists for showing evidence that the Koch brothers were bankrolling their operations. Tea Partiers hate the word 'liberal', which is ironic, since the root words of 'libertarian' and 'liberal' come from the Latin word 'Liberalis'. That word means 'freedom' and 'to be free'. So when I hear libertarians and conservatives being against 'Liberalis Media', they are against 'Free Media'. Which explains why the Drudge Report, FOX News and Rush Limbaugh have such large followings. 'State Run Media' chalked full of 'conservative slanted viewpoints' are mixed in with conversional hypnosis and NLP to create a people addicted to watching/listening and resistant to liberal information.....

....Not hard to figure out how to use such individuals to your advantage when you don't have any real standards on ethics or 'being a good Christian'. You sure you want the Koch brothers to support conservatives and/or libertarian views and policies?

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They are pro-free-market, ANTI crony capitalism, ANTI government favors to corporations.


You really don't understand the Koch brothers to well, with that sentence. You believe their propaganda, 'hook, line and sinker' as the expression goes. Being 'pro free market' means to have more competition, not less. To be 'pro capitalism' is to remove the safe guards, regulations, and regulators so that greed can flourish without hindrance. This nation experienced fairly recently what happens when that's allowed to take place. It paid a very heavy price to which some industries are...still...recovering from. That your part of the 'Low Information Voter' and hence, unaware of US History as it concerns financial and economic ideas....does not surprise me. I could explain it, as could many others. But why waste our time on someone that believes in a fantasy and not reality?

Study the Koch brothers well, and you will find they gain a healthy amount of government benefits. Small businesses competing in their industries would argue its an unhealthy level of government support. Heck, you wouldn't know how to define a 'small business'. Wal-Mart was once a small business with enough resources to make a 'ma & pa shop' feel like multi-millionaires.

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That's why they fund the Cato Institute.


If the Koch brothers are so 'noble', explain the lawsuits files to take direct and total control over the organization? Its one thing to do it in the best interests of the organization and who and what it serves. Its another to do it for under-handed reasons. Google 'Market Basket' and study well, if you wish to find an organization that wishes to rip control from those in power and give it back to the people of the company. There are two cousins in that battle. The one that the workers and customers like; and the other guy who is just a greedy bastard. The Koch brothers would NEVER talk to the first, and would likely talk to the second.

You talk about 'individual freedoms' and yet support/defend the Koch brothers. You really do not understand what your saying.

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The number of OWS transgressions and the litany of anti-American signs and pro-Communist signs at their rallies is legion.


So its 'ok' for Tea Partiers to demand the government do something, but not the OWS? Yeah, you really are not aware of the 1st amendment's five points (I bet you can not rattle them off without looking them up).

Are we talking Communism 'Russian/China Style' or 'Perfect World Style'? Since the two are very different in viewpoints. Have you ever attended an OWS rally? Its very different from a Tea Party rally. The OWS will allow one to have their moment and freedom to speak on ideas and concepts. The Tea Party ONLY allows those that toe the party agenda and viewpoint to be heard. Try it some time. Go to an OWS rally, ask to speak, and make an educated conservative speech on a subject (i.e. firearms). Then go to a Tea Party rally an give and educated liberal speech (i.e. immigration). Try to observe how each group behaves on an explosive political viewpoint. The OWS may dislike your viewpoint, but they will not make death threats. The Tea Party is not as open or free with ideas and concepts as you make it out to be.

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
A government shutdown isn't racist. So that's irrelevant to the topic.


Yet the party that has the racists was fully supporting it. Since it would heavily limit law enforcement from protecting those that would prey upon the innocent. Racists love nothing more than to pick on the object of their racism without the threat of law enforcement capturing and jailing them. What would those racists in the Tea Party have to gain by a full government shutdown you ask? If you can not connect the dots in an intelligent and logical way, we are done here.

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