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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

Aww do feel free to refute it in ways other then your words... you know with like facts...

Howz about this -
"The comparison of violent crime statistics between countries is usually problematic, due to the way different countries classify crime. Valid comparisons require that similar offences between jurisdictions be compared. Often this is not possible, because crime statistics aggregate equivalent offences in such different ways that make it difficult or impossible to obtain a valid comparison. Depending on the jurisdiction, violent crimes may include: homicide, murder, manslaughter, assault, sexual assault, rape, robbery, negligence, endangerment, kidnapping (abduction), extortion, and harassment. Different countries also have different systems of recording and reporting crimes".

Many of the minor crimes just aren't recorded in the US whereas they are in the UK.
That would more than account for the disparity between the two figures.


UNODC's global study
The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) has a site called Global Study on Homicide. The data for tables with UNODC in the headers comes from that site, unless indicated otherwise with references in the table. Rates are calculated per 100,000 inhabitants. Intentional homicide in this case is defined as unlawful death purposefully inflicted on a person by another person

By region
UNODC murder rates most recent year
Region Rate Count
Africa 12.5 134,881
Americas 17.0 161,865
Asia 2.9 122,229
Europe 3.0 21,990
Oceania 3.0 1,108
World 6.3 442,073

By subregion
UNODC murder rates most recent year
Subregion Rate Count Region
Eastern Africa 11.1 38,888 Africa
Middle Africa 18.5 24,595 Africa
Northern Africa 3.8 8,184 Africa
Southern Africa 31.0 18,195 Africa
Western Africa 14.1 45,019 Africa
Caribbean 15.8 6,599 Americas
Central America 31.1 49,734 Americas
Northern America 4.2 14,722 Americas
South America 22.6 90,810 Americas
Central Asia 5.8 3,603 Asia
Eastern Asia 1.0 16,555 Asia
South-Eastern Asia 4.3 26,376 Asia
Southern Asia 3.9 67,962 Asia
Western Asia 3.9 7,733 Asia
Eastern Europe 5.9 17103 Europe
Northern Europe 1.4 1,398 Europe
Southern Europe 1.1 1,708 Europe
Western Europe 0.9 1,781 Europe
Australasia 1.1 295 Oceania
Melanesia 8.6 787 Oceania
Micronesia 3.9 17 Oceania
Polynesia 1.5 9 Oceania

By country
Count total and rate per 100,000 population per year. Countries listed alphabetically and in order of region, subregion (by rank).
UNODC murder rates most recent year (full table here [9])
Country Rate Count Region Subregion Year listed
Burundi 8.0 790 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Comoros 10.0 72 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Djibouti 10.1 87 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Eritrea 7.1 437 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Ethiopia 12.0 11,048 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Kenya 6.4 2,761 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Madagascar 11.1 2,465 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Malawi 1.8 279 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Mauritius 2.8 34 Africa Eastern Africa 2011
Mayotte (France) 6.0 12 Africa Eastern Africa 2009
Mozambique 12.4 3,133 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Réunion (France) 1.8 15 Africa Eastern Africa 2009
Rwanda 23.1 2,648 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Seychelles 9.5 9 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Somalia 8.0 819+ Africa Eastern Africa 2012
South Sudan 13.9 1,504++ Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Uganda 10.7 3,753 Africa Eastern Africa 2011
Tanzania 12.7 6,071 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Zambia 10.7 1,501 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Zimbabwe 10.6 1,450 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Angola 10.0 2,079 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Cameroon 7.6 1,654 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Central African Republic 11.8 532+ Africa Middle Africa 2012
Chad 7.3 907 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Congo 12.5 541 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Democratic Republic of the Congo 28.3 18,586 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Equatorial Guinea 19.3 142 Africa Middle Africa 2012
Gabon 9.1 148 Africa Middle Africa 2012
São Tomé and Príncipe 3.3 6 Africa Middle Africa 2011
Algeria 0.7 280 Africa Northern Africa 2011
Egypt 3.4 2,703 Africa Northern Africa 2011
Libya 1.7 103+ Africa Northern Africa 2012
Morocco 2.2 704 Africa Northern Africa 2012
Sudan 11.2 4,159++ Africa Northern Africa 2012
Tunisia 2.2 235 Africa Northern Africa 2012
Botswana 18.4 368 Africa Southern Africa 2012
Lesotho 38.0 764 Africa Southern Africa 2010
Namibia 17.2 388 Africa Southern Africa 2012
South Africa 31.0 16,259 Africa Southern Africa 2012
Swaziland 33.8 416 Africa Southern Africa 2012
Benin 8.4 848 Africa Western Africa 2012
Burkina Faso 8.0 1,311 Africa Western Africa 2012
Cape Verde 10.3 51 Africa Western Africa 2012
Ivory Coast 13.6 2,691 Africa Western Africa 2012
Gambia 10.2 182 Africa Western Africa 2012
Ghana 6.1 1,537 Africa Western Africa 2012
Guinea 8.9 1,018 Africa Western Africa 2012
Guinea-Bissau 8.4 140 Africa Western Africa 2012
Liberia 3.2 135 Africa Western Africa 2012
Mali 7.5 1,119 Africa Western Africa 2012
Mauritania 5.0 191 Africa Western Africa 2012
Niger 4.7 803 Africa Western Africa 2012
Nigeria 20.0 33,817 Africa Western Africa 2012
Senegal 2.8 379 Africa Western Africa 2012
Sierra Leone 1.9 113 Africa Western Africa 2012
Togo 10.3 684 Africa Western Africa 2012
Anguilla (UK) 7.5 1 Americas Caribbean 2012
Antigua and Barbuda 11.2 10 Americas Caribbean 2012
Aruba (Netherlands) 3.9 4 Americas Caribbean 2010
Bahamas 29.8 111 Americas Caribbean 2012
Barbados 7.4 21 Americas Caribbean 2012
British Virgin Islands (UK) 8.4 2 Americas Caribbean 2006
Cayman Islands (UK) 14.7 8 Americas Caribbean 2009
Cuba 4.2 477 Americas Caribbean 2012
Dominica 21.1 15 Americas Caribbean 2010
Dominican Republic 22.1 2,268 Americas Caribbean 2012
Grenada 13.3 14 Americas Caribbean 2012
Guadeloupe (France) 7.9 36 Americas Caribbean 2009
Haiti 10.2 1,033 Americas Caribbean 2012
Jamaica 39.3 1,087 Americas Caribbean 2012
Martinique (France) 2.7 11 Americas Caribbean 2009
Montserrat (UK) 20.4 1 Americas Caribbean 2008
Puerto Rico (USA) 26.5 978 Americas Caribbean 2012
Saint Kitts and Nevis 33.6 18 Americas Caribbean 2012
Saint Lucia 21.6 39 Americas Caribbean 2012
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 25.6 28 Americas Caribbean 2012
Trinidad and Tobago 28.3 379 Americas Caribbean 2012
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK) 6.6 2 Americas Caribbean 2009
U.S. Virgin Islands (USA) 35.5 38 [10] Americas Caribbean 2013
Belize 44.7 145 Americas Central America 2012
Costa Rica 8.5 407 Americas Central America 2012
El Salvador 41.2 2,594 Americas Central America 2012
Guatemala 39.9 6,025 Americas Central America 2012
Honduras 90.4 7,172 Americas Central America 2012
Mexico 21.5 26,037+ Americas Central America 2012
Nicaragua 11.3 675 Americas Central America 2012
Panama 17.2 654 Americas Central America 2012
Bermuda (UK) 7.7 5 Americas Northern America 2012
Canada 1.6 543 Americas Northern America 2012
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France) 16.5 1 Americas Northern America 2009
United States 4.7 14,173 Americas Northern America 2012
Argentina 5.5 2,237 Americas South America 2010
Bolivia 12.1 1,270 Americas South America 2012
Brazil 25.2 50,108 Americas South America 2012
Chile 3.1 550 Americas South America 2012
Colombia 30.8 14,670+ Americas South America 2012
Ecuador 12.4 1,924 Americas South America 2012
French Guiana (France) 13.3 30 Americas South America 2009
Guyana 17.0 135 Americas South America 2012
Paraguay 9.7 649 Americas South America 2012
Peru 9.6 2,865 Americas South America 2012
Suriname 6.1 33 Americas South America 2012
Uruguay 7.9 267 Americas South America 2012
Venezuela 53.7 16,072+[11] Americas South America 2012
Kazakhstan 7.8 1,263 Asia Central Asia 2012
Kyrgyzstan 9.1 494 Asia Central Asia 2011
Tajikistan 1.6 126 Asia Central Asia 2011
Turkmenistan 12.8 660 Asia Central Asia 2012
Uzbekistan 3.7 1,060 Asia Central Asia 2012
China 1.0 13,410 Asia Eastern Asia 2010
Hong Kong 0.4 27 Asia Eastern Asia 2012
Macau 0.7 4 Asia Eastern Asia 2010
North Korea 5.2 1,293 Asia Eastern Asia 2012
Japan 0.3 442 Asia Eastern Asia 2011
Mongolia 9.7 266 Asia Eastern Asia 2011
South Korea[note 1][note 2] 0.9 427 Asia Eastern Asia 2011
Taiwan 3.0 686 Asia Eastern Asia 2011
Brunei 2.0 8 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Cambodia 6.5 964 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Indonesia 0.6 1,456 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Laos 5.9 392 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Malaysia 2.3 652 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Myanmar 15.2 8,044 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Philippines 8.8 8,484 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Singapore 0.2 11 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Thailand 5.0 3,307 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2011
Timor-Leste 3.6 39 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2010
Vietnam 3.3 3,037 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2012
Afghanistan 6.5 1,948+ Asia Southern Asia 2012
Bangladesh 2.7 4,169 Asia Southern Asia 2012
Bhutan 1.7 12 Asia Southern Asia 2012
India 3.5 43,355 Asia Southern Asia 2012
Iran 3.9 3,126 Asia Southern Asia 2012
Maldives 3.9 13 Asia Southern Asia 2012
Nepal 2.9 786 Asia Southern Asia 2011
Pakistan 7.7 13,846+ Asia Southern Asia 2012
Sri Lanka 3.4 707 Asia Southern Asia 2011
Armenia 1.8 54 Asia Western Asia 2012
Azerbaijan 2.1 194 Asia Western Asia 2010
Bahrain 0.5 7 Asia Western Asia 2011
Cyprus 2.0 23 Asia Western Asia 2012
Georgia 4.3 187 Asia Western Asia 2010
Iraq 8.0 2,628+ Asia Western Asia 2012
Israel 1.8 134+ Asia Western Asia 2012
Jordan 2.0 133 Asia Western Asia 2011
Kuwait 0.4 12 Asia Western Asia 2012
Lebanon 2.2 95 Asia Western Asia 2010
Palestine 7.4 312+ Asia Western Asia 2012
Oman 1.1 34 Asia Western Asia 2011
Qatar 1.1 23 Asia Western Asia 2012
Saudi Arabia 0.8 234 Asia Western Asia 2012
Syria 2.2 463+ Asia Western Asia 2010
Turkey 2.6 1,866 Asia Western Asia 2011
United Arab Emirates 2.6 235 Asia Western Asia 2012
Yemen 4.8 1,099+ Asia Western Asia 2010
Belarus 5.1 486 Europe Eastern Europe 2010
Bulgaria 1.9 141 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Czech Republic 1.0 105 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Hungary 1.3 132 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Poland 1.2 449 Europe Eastern Europe 2011
Moldova 6.5 229 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Romania 1.7 378 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Russia 9.2 13,120 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Slovakia 1.4 75 Europe Eastern Europe 2012
Ukraine 4.3 1,988+ Europe Eastern Europe 2010
Denmark 0.8 47 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Estonia 5.0 65 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Finland 1.6 89 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Greenland (Denmark) 19.4 11 Europe Northern Europe 2009
Iceland 0.3 1 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Ireland 1.2 54 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Latvia 4.7 97 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Lithuania 6.7 202 Europe Northern Europe 2012
Norway 0.9 45 Europe Northern Europe 2013[12]
Sweden 0.7 68 Europe Northern Europe 2012
United Kingdom 1.0 653 Europe Northern Europe 2011
Albania 5.0 157 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Andorra 1.3 1 Europe Southern Europe 2010
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.3 51 Europe Southern Europe 2011
Croatia 1.2 51 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Greece 1.7 184 Europe Southern Europe 2011
Italy 0.9 530 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Kosovo 3.6 64 Europe Southern Europe 2010
Malta 2.8 12 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Montenegro 2.7 17 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Portugal 1.2 122 Europe Southern Europe 2012
San Marino 0.7 0[a] Europe Southern Europe 2012
Serbia 1.2 111 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Slovenia 0.7 14 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Spain 0.8 364 Europe Southern Europe 2012
Macedonia 1.4 30 Europe Southern Europe 2011
Austria 0.9 77 Europe Western Europe 2012
Belgium 1.6 182 Europe Western Europe 2012
France 1.0 665 Europe Western Europe 2012
Germany 0.8 662 Europe Western Europe 2011
Liechtenstein 0.0 0 Europe Western Europe 2012
Luxembourg 0.8 4 Europe Western Europe 2011
Monaco 0.0 0 Europe Western Europe 2008
Netherlands 0.9 145 Europe Western Europe 2012
Switzerland 0.6 46 Europe Western Europe 2011
Australia 1.1 254 Oceania Australasia 2012
New Zealand 0.9 41 Oceania Australasia 2012
Fiji 4.0 35 Oceania Melanesia 2012
New Caledonia (France) 3.3 8 Oceania Melanesia 2009
Papua New Guinea 10.4 713 Oceania Melanesia 2010
Solomon Islands 4.3 24 Oceania Melanesia 2012
Vanuatu 2.9 7 Oceania Melanesia 2012
Guam (USA) 2.5 4 Oceania Micronesia 2011
Kiribati 8.2 8 Oceania Micronesia 2011
F.S. Micronesia 4.6 5 Oceania Micronesia 2012
Nauru 1.3 0[a] Oceania Micronesia 2012
Palau 3.1 0[a] Oceania Micronesia 2012
Cook Islands 3.1 0[a] Oceania Polynesia 2012
French Polynesia (France) 0.4 1 Oceania Polynesia 2009
Niue 3.6 0[a] Oceania Polynesia 2012
Samoa 3.6 7 Oceania Polynesia 2012
Tonga 1.0 1 Oceania Polynesia 2012
Tuvalu 4.2 0[a] Oceania Polynesia 2012

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

I've bolded the parts for comparison to save your eyes from scouring the text.

Quick reference -
Canada 1.6 543
United States 4.7 14,173
United Kingdom 1.0 653

These figure would seem to kick your link out the window as being biased and incorrect.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Saying that there are unreported crimes in the U S doesn't allow you to count the ones you would like to think there are. And if you do you have to count the unreported crimes in the UK

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Saying that there are unreported crimes in the U S doesn't allow you to count the ones you would like to think there are. And if you do you have to count the unreported crimes in the UK

There are many "crimes" in the US that get files as 'self-defense' and as such are not included in crime stats because it's not a crime over there.
Elsewhere, it would be a crime and logged as such.
This is what Eulero was saying a while back.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

Aww do feel free to refute it in ways other then your words... you know with like facts...

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Saying that there are unreported crimes in the U S doesn't allow you to count the ones you would like to think there are. And if you do you have to count the unreported crimes in the UK

There are many "crimes" in the US that get files as 'self-defense' and as such are not included in crime stats because it's not a crime over there.
Elsewhere, it would be a crime and logged as such.
This is what Eulero was saying a while back.

Just because you want them to be a crime here doesn't make it true.
Self defense is the most basic human right, just because you are proud of suppressing doesn't change that.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Saying that there are unreported crimes in the U S doesn't allow you to count the ones you would like to think there are. And if you do you have to count the unreported crimes in the UK

There are many "crimes" in the US that get files as 'self-defense' and as such are not included in crime stats because it's not a crime over there.
Elsewhere, it would be a crime and logged as such.
This is what Eulero was saying a while back.

Just because you want them to be a crime here doesn't make it true.
Self defense is the most basic human right, just because you are proud of suppressing doesn't change that.

I always heard the most basic human right was the right to life... that by the way it is the right you protect with self defence.

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So you agree with me.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

Aww do feel free to refute it in ways other then your words... you know with like facts...

If you think your link is some sort of fact, think again. It is some bullshit opinion piece, no more and no less.

That's based on actual crime numbers with an even a blind deaf retarded mute can fucking follow it commentary...

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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So you agree with me.

I'd agree with you, myself, if only you US righties and gun-fondlers put your spirit where your mouths are. The 2nd Amendment was all about defending against an over-mighty government. I did, at one time, think that US righties were different to Brit righties - that US righties had a much more limited tolerance of the government and its agents. Pop goes that belief, in this thread - and even more so the Ferguson incident thread. Just like our own Brit Tories, it comes as second nature to you to arselick the government, military and police, while setting yourselves in an equally knee-jerk way against any individual who's been roughed over by them. The powerful class of people are *always* in the right, for the Right; and those at the bottom just must be in the wrong. It's the same the world over.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

Aww do feel free to refute it in ways other then your words... you know with like facts...

See what I was up against last night, their arrogance forces them to pretend you are not only too stupid to understand what they are saying but most likely deranged as well.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

Aww do feel free to refute it in ways other then your words... you know with like facts...

If you think your link is some sort of fact, think again. It is some bullshit opinion piece, no more and no less.

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Or even more pertinent, some nations would list threats as violent crime, while others would not. There is little I can do about this, other than go over each nation's definition, and in the future I may do that. But I am not going to do so today (and to be frank, I am not entirely sure that the different definition make a huge difference. But I could potentially be wrong).

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Based on the murder rate alone, the US is indeed a more violent country than most Western European nations.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


Just because you want them to be a crime here doesn't make it true.
Self defense is the most basic human right, just because you are proud of suppressing doesn't change that.

I always heard the most basic human right was the right to life... that by the way it is the right you protect with self defence.

So you agree with me.