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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Has it occurred to you that there's a vast territory between wealthy and poor in which people may chose to dwell?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
As for making up things, since you're unable to cite those instances of falsehood, we have another instance of you making up shit.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
But the reality is that we do have options, and that many people take those options every day.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I've never met someone before who didn't know the back of her hand.

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ORIGINAL: Edvynn


What horse feathers.

What a comedy this thread has been,

The answer to everything (seemingly) is that if everybody were to be entrepreneurs. all would be wealthy, there would be no poor. The myth of US/UK capitalist dogma. The working poor deserve it; Thus Spake the Entrepeneurs.

Answer this: who in the world is going to manufacture or assemble usable products, or provide usable services for the world if everybody is busy (supposedly successfully) being an 'entrepreneur'?

The prominent response I've seen thusfar invokes the stance that if you are an employee, "it sucks to be you." Whereas if you are an entrepreneur, you are now in the position of hiring the employees, for whom it sucks to be them.

Is this your answer to the economic woes of the world? Seriously?

Here's the news: if there were 1 billion 'entrepeneurs' in China, or 30 million 'entrepeneurs' in Germany, or 200 million 'entrepeneurs' in the US, there wouldn't be anybody left to actually do anything useful to the world.

I'm sure that finding your way to black market wood or ivory and 'entrepeneurally' converting it into salable office furinture for hedge fund managers could make you very wealthy, but that's no excuse for pounding the crap out of Chinese or even US workers for their lack of entrepeneurship, because they're too busy actually doing useful things..

Germany or Denmark or Sweeden hold no truck with any of this crap, which is why their citizens enjoy a better average lifestyle, and provide better quality and more useful products to the world. The two coincide. It could easily be stated the other way round.

Germany exports as much as the US does, with only 27% of the population and not nearly the native commodity resources at hand, NOT because of 'trinket capitalism' that we laughingly refer to as 'entrepeneurship,' that's for certain.

They pay their workers a reasonable portion of the net earnings they are responsible for producing, and none of this crap about "we're paying you less than what your economic productivity says you should be paid, because you're not an entrepeneur. Sucks to be you."

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ORIGINAL: Edvynn


What horse feathers.

What a comedy this thread has been,

The answer to everything (seemingly) is that if everybody were to be entrepreneurs. all would be wealthy, there would be no poor. The myth of US/UK capitalist dogma. The working poor deserve it; Thus Spake the Entrepeneurs.

Answer this: who in the world is going to manufacture or assemble usable products, or provide usable services for the world if everybody is busy (supposedly successfully) being an 'entrepreneur'?

The prominent response I've seen thusfar invokes the stance that if you are an employee, "it sucks to be you." Whereas if you are an entrepreneur, you are now in the position of hiring the employees, for whom it sucks to be them.

Is this your answer to the economic woes of the world? Seriously?

Here's the news: if there were 1 billion 'entrepeneurs' in China, or 30 million 'entrepeneurs' in Germany, or 200 million 'entrepeneurs' in the US, there wouldn't be anybody left to actually do anything useful to the world.

I'm sure that finding your way to black market wood or ivory and 'entrepeneurally' converting it into salable office furinture for hedge fund managers could make you very wealthy, but that's no excuse for pounding the crap out of Chinese or even US workers for their lack of entrepeneurship, because they're too busy actually doing useful things..

Germany or Denmark or Sweeden hold no truck with any of this crap, which is why their citizens enjoy a better average lifestyle, and provide better quality and more useful products to the world. The two coincide. It could easily be stated the other way round.

Germany exports as much as the US does, with only 27% of the population and not nearly the native commodity resources at hand, NOT because of 'trinket capitalism' that we laughingly refer to as 'entrepeneurship,' that's for certain.

They pay their workers a reasonable portion of the net earnings they are responsible for producing, and none of this crap about "we're paying you less than what your economic productivity says you should be paid, because you're not an entrepeneur. Sucks to be you."

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's your attitude prevailing, not the position. You're making shit up, and assuming quite a lot.

The issue instead is being a victim someone else must rescue, floating along helplessly, vs. taking a proactive stance.

Entrepreneurship is one way to do that--and that doesn't mean embracing the black market, exploiting workers, and so forth. Sure, some people do that. But as you've pointed out, that's not a necessity, nor a good idea, though your points about German exports are whacked, because exports are simply one part of the economy -- Germany with a GDP around 3.6 trillion US dollars, vs. 16.8 trillion for the US.

But it's not the only way. When I was a worker, the last three jobs I held didn't exist when I created them -- find a need, propose it, and do it. I even got to negotiate salary. That, though, is still in the $/hr mentality. I could have, had I been smarter, found an area of the business management/owners were too busy to pursue, and negotiate instituting that area for them, for a cut of the profits. That would have removed the ceiling.

Nor is a job or a business the only road to wealth. As a college student, friends and I rented a huge house and negotiated a discount on the rent for paying six months in advance. But if we had truly been smart, we'd have used that money for a down payment on a fixer-upper, spent our vacations making the improvements, and then selling at a profit (and with equity accumulated) when we graduated. We could even have used the profit to buy more houses, and either keep flipping or rent them.

Nor did anyone say if we all were entrepreneurs, no one would be poor. Only that there would be options -- and options can be reassessed, improved, changed.

You're also wrong about no one left to do the work, even if everyone were an entrepreneur. I don't have an employee -- I have a Virtual Assistant, who runs a business providing exactly the services I'd need from a secretary, web designer, and a few other chores. I'm her client. That's just one example. A kid starting a painting or lawn mowing business is, presumably, doing the work.

You're equating entrepreneurship with large corporate entity. It doesn't have to be that -- in fact, most businesses aren't...solopreneurs are the most common. And that doesn't mean mom and pop stores necessarily either. I have clients in India, Australia, the UK, Japan, Canada and the US--and it's just me. Thanks to the Internet.

What about my plumber, my electrician, my landscaper, my house contractor? All entrepreneurs. All doing the work.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Easiest question on Earth to answer.

They choose not to be wealthy.

People choose to be poor? Who besides you knew?

Yes, people choose to be poor. That is correct. Not all people....just most.



I've watched it happen a thousand or more times....

This theater you watched this at was in your asshole?

I can't see my asshole.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

On the other hand, using one's skills to address current needs will present opportunities as long as humans still have needs to meet.


How has that been working out?[8|]

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Has it occurred to you that there's a vast territory between wealthy and poor in which people may chose to dwell?


Has it occured (occurred) to you that there is a vast vacant spot in that territory between the wealthy and the not wealthy? What would you figgure (figure) the distance is monitarily (monetarily) between the top 6% and the bottom 94%? How many people populate that vast wasteland? (Who gives a fuck? The question was "why are so few people wealthy?" You wanna analyze the analysis...go for it....still doesn't deal with the question now does it? You want to pontificate? {as is your constant bent} do so...have at it....how about answering the question ThompsonV?) Where is the middle class? We have lots of people making from minimum wage up to a quarter of a million....how many of our 300+ millions exist in that space between a quarter of a million a year and say ten million a year?

Fuck if I know....why don't you tell us? It's a simple gawdamned google search....spew.