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ISIS Leadership - 8/29/2014 10:12:05 AM

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NYT had a good article yesterday on ISIS leadership -- and it comes from SADDAM'S old army.

The pedigree of its leadership, outlined by an Iraqi who has seen documents seized by the Iraqi military, as well as by American intelligence officials, helps explain its battlefield successes: Its leaders augmented traditional military skill with terrorist techniques refined through years of fighting American troops, while also having deep local knowledge and contacts. ISIS is in effect a hybrid of terrorists and an army.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/middleeast/army-know-how-seen-as-factor-in-isis-successes.html

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RE: ISIS Leadership - 8/29/2014 10:13:53 AM

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The older history of ISIS:

• DeBaathification – all members of the Baath party are officially kicked out of the government and their government jobs.

• The IRAQI army is disbanded.

• Some 50,000 armed Sunnis are told to go home without jobs and no prospects to participate in the IRAQ. Many of them are armed, militarily trained, and upset.

• Middle of the road and neutral IRAQIs enter Abu Ghraib American detention and leave radicalized wanting to attack US soldiers in revenge.

• The White House and Pentagon find working with the new Prime Minister, Nouri al Maliki, their hand-selected man, "difficult." He was never really vetted before being installed in office.

• The Ambassador to IRAQ, Patraeus, and the US national security advisor consider Nouri al-Malik to have a sectarian agenda and to be undermining the mission to create stability in IRAQ. All three recommend that Nouri al-Malik be removed from Office. GWB overrules them. He likes Nouri al-Malik and has faith in him. GWB has been mentoring him in the arts of leadership and politics, and GWB wants him to succeed.

• The moment the Americans leave on DEC 18, 2011, Maliki arrests the Vice President, a SUNNI, accusing him of leading death and hit squads in IRAQ. The VP was sentenced to death. He was able to leave the country however and live in exile. Sectarian animosities between SHIA and SUNNIs escalate. The US is not in IRAQ and it is not a priority to the Obama Administration. The US disengages. The US is no longer shaping policy in IRAQ. Obama is characterized as "not wanting to deal with it."

• Maliki purges SUNNIS from all leading posts and the army.

• The Sons or IRAQ, Sunnis funded by Patreaus, shift against the IRAQI government.

• ISIS, a kind of Al Qaeda on steroids, or as one official put it, Al Qaeda 6.0, strikes out and takes large swaths of territory. It releases graphic videos of summary executions. The IRAQI army folds during the conflict.

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RE: ISIS Leadership - 8/29/2014 11:00:53 AM

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Does anyone really care?? Honestly?

We just want rid of the pests.
I really don't care about anything else about them.

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RE: ISIS Leadership - 8/29/2014 12:09:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Does anyone really care?? Honestly?

We just want rid of the pests.
I really don't care about anything else about them.

You should care, because if Bush, Blair and co had handled things better, this shit wouldnt be happening.

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RE: ISIS Leadership - 8/29/2014 2:15:19 PM

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If you don't understand the origins of a movement, you can't really stop it. TO WIT: the USA declared a "War on Terrorism" and pursuant to that invaded IRAQ creating a sectarian, terrorists cesspool.

We committed $1 Trillion Dollars to stabilize the region. We appointed Paul Bremer, a man with no Middle Eastern Background who didn't speak Arabic, as our special envoy there. We backed a sectarian Shiite as the IRAQI prime minister. The list goes on.

To fight ISIS -- will require a broad coalition to both bring the fight to them and thereafter hold the peace. Fuck, here at home, we can't even pass immigration reform.

While this foreign policy challenge lies ahead, Republicans are more interested in Benghazi hearings and pity parties over the IRS policing of 501c corps.

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