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Sanity -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 8:53:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 This, of course, would lead to a global war of Islamics against everyone else; but I see no other sensible option. It is my opinion that there are many millions of Muslims who would gladly climb on board

Musicmystery -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 8:55:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I am not advocating for war, but for honesty. Islam is a dark ages cult of personality bent on total world domination at any cost There are peaceful factions, but the core teachings of their scriptures are reprehensible and that is what needs to be put on the table and discussed in very frank terms I quite agree. You can discuss it all you like. The problem is well known. The problem is.... nobody in this world is going to sit down and say it to their faces. It truly needs to be said and in unambiguous terms: "your basic religious tenet is anathema to world peace and must be changed at it's core". If they cannot control their own factions and allow (and even promote) Jihadist teachings, then the rest of the world needs to step in and eradicate all those that are trouble-some. This, of course, would lead to a global war of Islamics against everyone else; but I see no other sensible option. There are far more than peaceful "factions." Hardly some minority tucked away. One quarter of the world population is Muslim. First, we're clearly not having this disagreement with 1/4 of the world. And second, sitting down to explain to 1/4 of the world that they're fucked up is not likely to go well. Or happen.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 8:56:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 This, of course, would lead to a global war of Islamics against everyone else; but I see no other sensible option. It is my opinion that there are many millions of Muslims who would gladly climb on board Unfortunately so. But can you think of any other solution that would be acceptable to both sides?? Cuz I can't. Both are soo diametrically opposed that there is just no common ground to work on.

mnottertail -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 8:58:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity There is video and pictures, in case one is slow All your trolling sites are slow, there are a great number of feeble minded that cling to them like shitty diapers.

Zonie63 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 9:03:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery He may have been agreeing with you and calling the situation PC BS. If that's the case... then it's my bad... and full apologies. My cousin was working with the social services on 4 or 5 cases where there were threats of muggings, beatings and even threats of honour killings. She even tracked down the illegal Sharia Court that upheld these vile decisions and the local 'cleric' that held the sessions. She has been told to drop them all for fear of Muslim riots in a sensitive Muslim area. And because that order came directly from her superior, she isn't even allowed to go to the media about it for fear of losing her job that she worked very hard to get. To me, when it gets that bad, there needs to be a whistle-blower to open the can of worms. This is part of the same mindset that allowed Rotherham and Rochdale to fail soo many young women. So, they've got the local police cowed because they're afraid of riots? Is that all it takes to get them to bend over? That's not even PC. For all its faults, the motivations behind PC were not out of fear. There's nothing about PC that says that blatant violations of human rights should be ignored. If the local police were afraid of the Muslims, then that's on them and can't really be blamed on PC.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 9:12:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery One quarter of the world population is Muslim. First, we're clearly not having this disagreement with 1/4 of the world. And second, sitting down to explain to 1/4 of the world that they're fucked up is not likely to go well. Or happen. Can you explain why their basic teachings are to destroy, kill, and eliminate all infidels?? There are no exceptions in their religion - their holy book spells it out; be one of us or die. Now take a good look at all the trouble spots around the world.... Pretty much the whole of the middle east is an Islamic hot spot. If they aren't capturing and killing infidels, they're killing other Islamic factions they don't agree with. Across most of Africa, most of the shit is caused by militant Jihadists. Even in India and across into Indonesia, it's the Islamics stirring up the shit one way or the other. All the European shit is caused by Islamics. This isn't just a tiny handful of people stirring up trouble - it's damned near half the populated world!! And, what's worse, is that it will never stop until they rule the world and with varying degrees of Sharia law.

mnottertail -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 9:14:38 AM)
They've been fighting one another in the Middle East since humans walked the earth. We weren't involved with that until we stuck our noses in there trying to bring our brand of enlightenment to them. We leave them alone, and they will go back to trading warm camel shit with each other.

Musicmystery -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 9:20:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery One quarter of the world population is Muslim. First, we're clearly not having this disagreement with 1/4 of the world. And second, sitting down to explain to 1/4 of the world that they're fucked up is not likely to go well. Or happen. Can you explain why their basic teachings are to destroy, kill, and eliminate all infidels?? There are no exceptions in their religion - their holy book spells it out; be one of us or die. Now take a good look at all the trouble spots around the world.... Pretty much the whole of the middle east is an Islamic hot spot. If they aren't capturing and killing infidels, they're killing other Islamic factions they don't agree with. Across most of Africa, most of the shit is caused by militant Jihadists. Even in India and across into Indonesia, it's the Islamics stirring up the shit one way or the other. All the European shit is caused by Islamics. This isn't just a tiny handful of people stirring up trouble - it's damned near half the populated world!! And, what's worse, is that it will never stop until they rule the world and with varying degrees of Sharia law. Can you explain why 1/4 of the world isn't trying to convert or kill the other 3/4s? You have a really simplistic (and inaccurate) picture of conflicts in Africa (where tribal ethnicity is a far greater source of brutal conflict) and India (where Hindus are half the conflict) in particular. Your wearing jihadist colored glasses, and reality doesn't support your creations.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 9:25:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 So, they've got the local police cowed because they're afraid of riots? Is that all it takes to get them to bend over? That's not even PC. For all its faults, the motivations behind PC were not out of fear. There's nothing about PC that says that blatant violations of human rights should be ignored. If the local police were afraid of the Muslims, then that's on them and can't really be blamed on PC. Unfortunately, that seems to be the size of it. My cousin lives in the south-east of the UK (about 6 miles from me) and serves her 'beat', sometimes on foot, sometimes in a patrol car, in a metropolitan district about 10 miles nearer London. Apparently, they don't like to post officers within their own locality. Her best mate that she went through 5 years police training with is posted somewhere nearer the south coast and apparently the situation is just as bad down there. So we aren't talking about a region that is anywhere close to the Midlands of Rotherham or Rochdale. Every time she discovers some nefarious Muslim injustice, she is told to file a preliminary report and 'forget it' with direct orders not to upset the Muslim boat or pursue the matter further. Nothing is done about it. Yeah, it really really stinks. After spending 5 years training and nearly 15 years on the force, she is seriously thinking of giving it up. It's a job she loves and trained hard for, so her decision will be with a heavy heart.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 9:27:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail They've been fighting one another in the Middle East since humans walked the earth. We weren't involved with that until we stuck our noses in there trying to bring our brand of enlightenment to them. We leave them alone, and they will go back to trading warm camel shit with each other. Problem is Ron, we've poked around with the shitty stick enough for them to be a real threat these days. Had we left them alone, I dare say things might settle down again. But I fear it is a tad too late for that now.

Sanity -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 9:33:15 AM)
We offend them by being infidels. Hollywood offends them. Playboy, Hustler, alcohol, anything other than prostrating oneself toward Mecca is a poke at them with a shitty stick

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 9:35:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery One quarter of the world population is Muslim. First, we're clearly not having this disagreement with 1/4 of the world. And second, sitting down to explain to 1/4 of the world that they're fucked up is not likely to go well. Or happen. Can you explain why their basic teachings are to destroy, kill, and eliminate all infidels?? There are no exceptions in their religion - their holy book spells it out; be one of us or die. Now take a good look at all the trouble spots around the world.... Pretty much the whole of the middle east is an Islamic hot spot. If they aren't capturing and killing infidels, they're killing other Islamic factions they don't agree with. Across most of Africa, most of the shit is caused by militant Jihadists. Even in India and across into Indonesia, it's the Islamics stirring up the shit one way or the other. All the European shit is caused by Islamics. This isn't just a tiny handful of people stirring up trouble - it's damned near half the populated world!! And, what's worse, is that it will never stop until they rule the world and with varying degrees of Sharia law. Can you explain why 1/4 of the world isn't trying to convert or kill the other 3/4s? You have a really simplistic (and inaccurate) picture of conflicts in Africa (where tribal ethnicity is a far greater source of brutal conflict) and India (where Hindus are half the conflict) in particular. Your wearing jihadist colored glasses, and reality doesn't support your creations. I dunno what piece of Utopia you're living in Tim, but IS/ISIS/ISAL whatever they want to call themselves these days, together with various other warring factions like Boko Haram, AQ, the Taliban et al, are causing a lot of trouble for a lot of people across the globe. In fact, the only places they haven't caused trouble is in the Americas, Australia, China, and Russia. Everywhere else on this big lump of land are having Islamic problems of one sort or another. And if it wasn't for the beheading of the two American journalists, the US would be insular and unconcerned about it.

Musicmystery -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 9:47:46 AM)
And that STILL doesn't make them 1/4 of the world trying to convert/kill the other 3/4. You are taking a slice and trying to make it the whole. That's not my utopia--that's me looking at the real problem, not the fantasy in your head.

mnottertail -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 9:49:44 AM)
Since there are 2.5+ million muslims in the United States, and I am a liberal, and obviously concerned about the environment, I am vexed by whether we dispose of these killers by Zyklon B or oven, and am asking anyone who knows (because some of you think you know a great deal about shit you dont know a thing about), which of these two final solutions is less damaging to the environment. And do you think the freemarket communist 'conservatives' would let us nationalize the rail system for this endeavor? Reinhard Heydrich

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 9:58:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And that STILL doesn't make them 1/4 of the world trying to convert/kill the other 3/4. You are taking a slice and trying to make it the whole. That's not my utopia--that's me looking at the real problem, not the fantasy in your head. I have many Islamic friends around me. They don't say boo to goose and generally don't cause trouble. But... every single one of them would prefer to have everyone as a Muslim - their particular type, obviously. I have met literally hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims in various places I have lived. I have often lived in Pakistani/Indian populated areas because the rent was considerably cheaper. I have not met a single Muslim, not a single one, that does not want me to also be a Muslim. I think that many Americans are quite insulated from Islamic pressures that exist elsewhere in the world.

Musicmystery -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 10:02:12 AM)
I think your math skills have atrophied. I have Muslim friends as well. None of them gives a shit whether I'm a Druid or a Shinto.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 11:07:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I think your math skills have atrophied. I have Muslim friends as well. None of them gives a shit whether I'm a Druid or a Shinto. As I have said several times on several threads dealing with various topics, the US and it's people have very little info on what happens beyond your boundaries and and awful lot doesn't even make your news unless some mystical political spin can be put on it. And what have my math skills got to do with the fact that I have not met, or spoken to, a single Muslim person who would prefer that I was also Muslim? It's a simple fact that I have lived with, and joked about, amongst my Muslim friends for more than several decades. YMMV - and being in the US might have made you more insular than you think.

Musicmystery -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 12:26:43 PM)
I don't care if you know every Muslim in the bloody country. It still doesn't create this massive army of 1/4 of the earth out with swords converting people. This isn't the 8th century.

Sanity -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 12:34:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery This isn't the 8th century. Yes it is. In certain Islamic states, it most definitely is.

Aylee -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/13/2014 12:55:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: ORIGINAL: ChristheBoy quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Muslims make religious doctrine (aka hatred of other religions) their raison d'etre. Do they? Is this on record somewhere? Yes it is on record. It is in the book that they worship and live their lives by. It is called the koran. Its also on record in the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament. (circa 185-254 CE) to write: "Therefore the blood of Jesus came not only upon those who lived formerly but also upon all subsequent generations of Jews..." The Christian church taught until recently that all Jews -- past, present and future -- are equally responsible for the death of Christ. 2 (Psalms 79:6): "Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name." This is a call to God to commit genocide against persons of other faiths who are either unfamiliar with Judaism and Christianity, or who have learned and rejected these religions. (Exodus 22:20): "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed." And so it goes on. Umm. . . are you actually suggesting that this is CURRENTLY happening?

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