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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 5:16:01 PM   
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The point made was that you don't incite the nest that was beforehand doing you no harm.

The US and the UK and an assortment of European countries have an undisputed history of invading foreign countries and whacking the bejeezus out of many beehives.

Did the Indians try to take over Britain? Did the Algerians invade Paris? Did the Cherokees or Iraq attempt to overtake Washington? You've got every bit of it bass- ackwards, bud. While we're at it, Iraq or Iran would have paid good money to slug a big hit against the financial sector, but we already had a bunch of domestic (American born and raised) terrorists in our Congress that beat them to the punch.



The point being that you deal with the threat, should we have waited till there were Nazi soldiers on American soil? The Germans and Italians hadn't done anything to us and we declared war on them anyway. The hornets nest is pre-stirred you want us to wait till they actually start blowing things up here?
They have been at war with us since the Carter administration and people here want to pretend it isn't happening.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 5:43:01 PM   
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The point made was that you don't incite the nest that was beforehand doing you no harm.



No harm, from Islam?

You're kidding. Right?

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The US and the UK and an assortment of European countries have an undisputed history of invading foreign countries and whacking the bejeezus out of many beehives.

Did the Indians try to take over Britain? Did the Algerians invade Paris? Did the Cherokees or Iraq attempt to overtake Washington? Were any of them the initiators or instigators, in any case? You've got every bit of it bass- ackwards, bud.


Different time. Everybody who could was building and empire, including everybody. There is no moral equivalence there. In the caser of Iraq there was a UN mandate and all the Dems were on board to go in, to include Kerry and Bill and Hill and Gore and Reid and Pelosi etc etc etc

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While we're at it, Iraq or Iran would have paid good money to slug a big hit against the financial sector, but we already had a bunch of domestic (American born and raised) terrorists in our Congress that beat them to the punch.




Are you referring to the politicians who use the treasury to buy votes? If so, we are in agreement there.


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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 5:49:09 PM   
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quote:

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The point made was that you don't incite the nest that was beforehand doing you no harm.

The US and the UK and an assortment of European countries have an undisputed history of invading foreign countries and whacking the bejeezus out of many beehives.

Did the Indians try to take over Britain? Did the Algerians invade Paris? Did the Cherokees or Iraq attempt to overtake Washington? Were any of them the initiators or instigators, in any case? You've got every bit of it bass- ackwards, bud. While we're at it, Iraq or Iran would have paid good money to slug a big hit against the financial sector, but we already had a bunch of domestic (American born and raised) terrorists in our Congress that beat them to the punch.



You noticed in my example I don't wait until they sting I wait till there are a threat. Isis is a threat.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 6:22:28 PM   
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The point made was that you don't incite the nest that was beforehand doing you no harm.

The US and the UK and an assortment of European countries have an undisputed history of invading foreign countries and whacking the bejeezus out of many beehives.

Did the Indians try to take over Britain? Did the Algerians invade Paris? Did the Cherokees or Iraq attempt to overtake Washington? Were any of them the initiators or instigators, in any case? You've got every bit of it bass- ackwards, bud. While we're at it, Iraq or Iran would have paid good money to slug a big hit against the financial sector, but we already had a bunch of domestic (American born and raised) terrorists in our Congress that beat them to the punch.




Did the barbarian hordes attack the Roman walls? Creating the downfall of the Roman Empire?

Why yes, yes they did.

Should Rome have concentrated on the barbarians instead of internal fighting?

Why yes, yes they should have.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 7:19:36 PM   
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So you are a big fan of Rome, then.

All fine and well, but then why do you and Bama keep sniveling and asking for a hankie anytime the other side bites back?

It might be that Rome should have taken more care regarding the 'barbarians,' but if they hadn't raped Boudica's daughters, the Barbarians might not have been so vehement in their efforts in the first place.

Here's the news: you just say "fuck you, we do what we want," then you cry if the other side has the temerity to say "fuck you too" right back.

Go out and "Rome" all you want, but don't come back crying when you actually get hurt.


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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 7:30:20 PM   
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Not sure if I doubled up or doubled down, but I double-posted, in any case.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 7:45:36 PM   
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So you are a big fan of Rome, then.

All fine and well, but then why do you and Bama keep sniveling and asking for a hankie anytime the other side bites back?

It might be that Rome should have taken more care regarding the 'barbarians,' but if they hadn't raped Boudica's daughters, the Barbarians might not have been so vehement in their efforts in the first place.

Here's the news: you just say "fuck you, we do what we want," then you cry if the other side has the temerity to say "fuck you too" right back.

Go out and "Rome" all you want, but don't come back crying when you actually get hurt.



Nobody is crying, that is a favorite poly of the left on here. If people insist on disagreeing with you they are whining. You forget that unlike in your personal life we (the west) don't have a better neighborhood to run and hide in.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 7:48:07 PM   
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So you are a big fan of Rome, then.

All fine and well, but then why do you and Bama keep sniveling and asking for a hankie anytime the other side bites back?

It might be that Rome should have taken more care regarding the 'barbarians,' but if they hadn't raped Boudica's daughters, the Barbarians might not have been so vehement in their efforts in the first place.

Here's the news: you just say "fuck you, we do what we want," then you cry if the other side has the temerity to say "fuck you too" right back.

Go out and "Rome" all you want, but don't come back crying when you actually get hurt.



One incident. Does that explained any of the Goths? The Vandals? The Huns?

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 7:59:53 PM   
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It wasn't one incident, it was standard practice.

Is all the crap that Blackwater is doing in Iraq "one incident"?

Get a clue.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 8:05:26 PM   
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It wasn't one incident, it was standard practice.

Is all the crap that Blackwater is doing in Iraq "one incident"?

Get a clue.

So all our problems are our own fault and we deserve anything that happens to us?

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 8:07:40 PM   
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It wasn't one incident, it was standard practice.

Is all the crap that Blackwater is doing in Iraq "one incident"?

Get a clue.

What neighborhood do you suggest the West run and hide in? Should we just accept ISIS's version of Islam, because that is the only way we will have peace with them.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 8:21:25 PM   
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You're actually comparing ISIS to Nazi Germany.



Just a wee bit difference in their military (and strategic) capabilities.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 9:23:29 PM   
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The point being that you deal with the threat, should we have waited till there were Nazi soldiers on American soil? The Germans and Italians hadn't done anything to us and we declared war on them anyway.

Well, we actually did wait--to the deep dismay of the British--until we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. I think the Germans declared war on us first, in response to our declaring war against Japan, but I'm too tired to hit the books tonight. Not sure about Italy.


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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 9:33:33 PM   
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The point being that you deal with the threat, should we have waited till there were Nazi soldiers on American soil? The Germans and Italians hadn't done anything to us and we declared war on them anyway.

Well, we actually did wait--to the deep dismay of the British--until we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. I think the Germans declared war on us first, in response to our declaring war against Japan, but I'm too tired to hit the books tonight. Not sure about Italy.


Germany and Italy declared war on us on Dec 8, earlier in the day than we declared on them.
Arab terrorists have been at war with us for nearly forty years and have done much more to us than the Germans or Italians had. They have even done more than Pearl.
We are being told to ignore what they say and just wait till they attack, shouldn't we have done the same with Germany, after all it was a meaningless declaration of war, if we stayed out of the war zone they couldn't have come over here and harmed us. It was just words, can't go to war over that.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 9:35:07 PM   
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Did the barbarian hordes attack the Roman walls? Creating the downfall of the Roman Empire?

Why yes, yes they did.

Should Rome have concentrated on the barbarians instead of internal fighting?

Why yes, yes they should have.

A tid simplistic, no? Mightn't the long internal decay have played a role in (a) making "barbarians" think Rome was ripe for the plucking and (b) leaving Rome ill-equipped to defend herself?

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 9:45:42 PM   
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Germany and Italy declared war on us on Dec 8, earlier in the day than we declared on them.

In other words, the post I cited was flat-out wrong. Something to bear in mind while reading future "facts" from you.

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Arab terrorists have been at war with us for nearly forty years and have done much more to us than the Germans or Italians had. They have even done more than Pearl.

What's your definition of war?

The U.S. lost 420,000 souls in World War II. Have Arab terrorists really claimed more than that?

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We are being told to ignore what they say and just wait till they attack, shouldn't we have done the same with Germany, after all it was a meaningless declaration of war, if we stayed out of the war zone they couldn't have come over here and harmed us. It was just words, can't go to war over that.

Who's advocating that we "just wait" till Arab terrorists attack?

What course of action do you advocate?


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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 10:29:40 PM   
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The U.S. lost 420,000 souls in World War II. Have Arab terrorists really claimed more than that?

I said Pearl not in the war.
9/11 alone matched our loses at Pearl.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 10:35:15 PM   
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In other words, the post I cited was flat-out wrong. Something to bear in mind while reading future "facts" from you.


You didn't read the rest of my post, or you intentionally ignored it. The Arab extremists have claimed to be at war with us for forty years, if that is not a reason to strike at them then Germany's declaration of war was no reason to declare war on them. The logic is exactly the same. I expect better of you, you intentionally altered the meaning of what I said in a obvious and self defeating attempt to discredit me.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/12/2014 10:38:37 PM   
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What course of action do you advocate?


Since only the blind can't see that we are at war whether we want to admit it or not we should conduct ourselves accordingly.
As for no one advocating that we wait for them to strike what in the world do you think they haven't struck at us or you don't go stirring up a hornets nest till they sting you means?

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/13/2014 3:26:14 AM   
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Just what is it about being the instigator that you don't understand?

"What are we supposed to do to protect ourselves?" you ask. A good first step on that account might be that we should delve a bit less into our efforts to overthrow democratically elected govs around the world. Just a hint.

Your claim that "Iran has been at war with the US since the Carter administration" shows your ignorance. The fact of the matter is that the US went to war against Iran when we engineered the coup that ousted the democratically elected Mosaddegh and installed the brat prince Reza Pahlavi in 1953.

So, to address the question again of what we can do to protect ourselves, from the terrorists abroad, or the financial terrorists on Wall St. and in Congress, the unavoidable answer for all of us would be: "Do whatever you can, however difficult a task it might be, to make yourself even just a little bit less stupid, and help the cause of evolution thereby."




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