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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 4:42:32 AM   
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Good post Marc.


Thanks, although it has occurred to me that the entire statement needs to be bolded and perhaps underlined and italicized as well. I mean, I'm not sure how I could be any more succinct. Maybe succinctness is the problem. Maybe long, detailed explanations are needed. I don't think I'm willing to invest that much time and effort into banging my head against a wall.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 4:43:54 AM   
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How about talking about Christians involved in child abuse, or the sex trade, or sex tourism to Asia. FFS the whole argument from the right seems to be, all Muslims are bad but we are not. How about talking about Pol Pot and Hitler being raised as good Catholics, or the links between Hitler and Pope Pius. How about Stalin who was raised to be a Catholic Priest and Revived the Russian Orthodox Church.

How about realising that just as some Christians Muslims and Atheists and Budhists are arseholes, the majority are not. Its not fucking difficult.




Sure, there are bad people in any culture, but outliers aren't at issue here, are they. But its all youve got for your goal to make things morally equivelant, which is an outrageous argument on your part.

Child abuse etc is illegal in the west, prosecuted with extreme prejudice...




Exactly. Outliers are not the issue. You can find outliers for any large population. Jews for Jesus for example. Christopher Hitchens, Marxist, supporter of the evil of radical Islam. The point is where is the concentration. The answer is clear and doesn't require evasions.


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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 5:32:58 AM   
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Sure, there are bad people in any culture, but outliers aren't at issue here, are they. But its all youve got for your goal to make things morally equivelant, which is an outrageous argument on your part.

Child abuse etc is illegal in the west, prosecuted with extreme prejudice...




If anything is distant from the original oberservation, then it is the drivel you have posted. I havent claimed anything is morally equivelent it seems to me you cant even follow the simple last line of my post. You know what I mean, people in glass houses and all that.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 5:38:59 AM   
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Exactly. Outliers are not the issue. You can find outliers for any large population. Jews for Jesus for example. Christopher Hitchens, Marxist, supporter of the evil of radical Islam. The point is where is the concentration. The answer is clear and doesn't require evasions.



Can you get more two faced. You are trying to compare one man as an example of an outlier, thats some irony right there. You do realise you fill your islamophbic posts with the actions of a minority to sully the majority dont you ? A point not missed by many on here.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 6:59:00 AM   
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Exactly. Outliers are not the issue. You can find outliers for any large population. Jews for Jesus for example. Christopher Hitchens, Marxist, supporter of the evil of radical Islam. The point is where is the concentration. The answer is clear and doesn't require evasions.



Can you get more two faced. You are trying to compare one man as an example of an outlier, thats some irony right there. You do realise you fill your islamophbic posts with the actions of a minority to sully the majority dont you ? A point not missed by many on here.


A noted critic of religion and an antitheist, Hitchens said that a person "could be an atheist and wish that belief in god were correct", but that "an antitheist, a term I'm trying to get into circulation, is someone who is relieved that there's no evidence for such an assertion." According to Hitchens, the concept of a god or a supreme being is a totalitarian belief that destroys individual freedom, and that free expression and scientific discovery should replace religion as a means of teaching ethics and defining human civilisation. His anti-religion polemic, New York Times Bestseller, God is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, sold over 500,000 copies.
http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/1094-nothing-sacred-journalist-and-provocateur-christopher-hitchens-picks-a-fight-with-god

marxist yes, but no supporter of Islam

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/10/16/he-knew-he-was-right-2?currentPage=all
In his first Nation column after September 11th, Hitchens wrote that “the bombers of Manhattan represent fascism with an Islamic face. . . . What they abominate about ‘the West,’ to put it in a phrase, is not what Western liberals don’t like and can’t defend about their own system, but what they do like about it and must defend: its emancipated women, its scientific inquiry, its separation of religion from the state. Loose talk about chickens coming home to roost is the moral equivalent of the hateful garbage emitted by Falwell and Robertson.”
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Three years later, Hitchens is still on Fox News talking about the Iraq war. He has not flinched from his position that the invasion was necessary, nor declined any serious invitation to defend that position publicly, even as the violence in Iraq has increased, and American opinion has turned against the intervention and the President who launched it.

The sock lover seems not to have much luck with facts

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 7:35:26 AM   
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Sure, there are bad people in any culture, but outliers aren't at issue here, are they.



I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this posted. Your entire attack on Muslims is based on taking the actions of a tiny minority of extremists and misrepresenting their actions as representative of the whole. IOW your attacks on Islam rely entirely on taking the actions of "outliers" as mainstream.

Even by the myopic bigoted standards of the looney Right, this piece of hypocrisy reaches stratospheric levels.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 7:44:58 AM   
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Sure, there are bad people in any culture, but outliers aren't at issue here, are they.



I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this posted. Your entire attack on Muslims is based on taking the actions of a tiny minority of extremists and misrepresenting their actions as representative of the whole. IOW your attacks on Islam rely entirely on taking the actions of "outliers" as mainstream.

Even by the myopic bigoted standards of the looney Right, this piece of hypocrisy reaches stratospheric levels.

Actually it goes for all the usual suspects...Ive been afk for a few days, and the BS coming out of their hive minds is unreal, and beyond ignorant lying hypocrisy.




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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 8:19:54 AM   
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We have seen what happens when Christians have authority - torture, executions, laws restricting speech and other freedoms. It was the advent of secular authority that put an end to such atrocities. Rather than serve as a lame excuse to roll over and allow the Christians to trample us,


We are talking about the Christians who go to church twice a week and eat out as families each Sunday after church. These are the ones who invite you to church but don't cut your head off if you don't attend. And they race each other to the favorite restaurants after church. They also support the poor and spend money on bringing education and medical care to those in need here and overseas. I'm not sure why you feel so threatened by these people since they really hurt no one. I think you have a lot of anger and hate in your post which distorts your view of things as they really are.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 8:22:02 AM   
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We have seen what happens when Christians have authority - torture, executions, laws restricting speech and other freedoms.


Actually "we" have not. Name them.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 8:39:02 AM   
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Just a couple for you.


Ja, it don't make news because they are 'righteous christian undertakings.'

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 8:40:04 AM   
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Sure, there are bad people in any culture, but outliers aren't at issue here, are they.



I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this posted. Your entire attack on Muslims is based on taking the actions of a tiny minority of extremists and misrepresenting their actions as representative of the whole. IOW your attacks on Islam rely entirely on taking the actions of "outliers" as mainstream.

Even by the myopic bigoted standards of the looney Right, this piece of hypocrisy reaches stratospheric levels.

Actually it goes for all the usual suspects...Ive been afk for a few days, and the BS coming out of their hive minds is unreal, and beyond ignorant lying hypocrisy.





I am not attacking Muslims, that is you two projecting your own prejudices. I am pointing out the issues caused by Islamic doctrine, which undeniably teaches Islamists horrific things, and there are entire states etc that undeniably enforce barbaric Islamic "religious" law

That you and tweaka pretend that I wrote "Muslims" is your own fantasy creation, and springs from your own hatred and distrust of Muslim people, who I personally have no problem with and do not prejudge as individuals



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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 8:46:48 AM   
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Central African Republic.
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National Socialist Council of Nagaland.


Just a couple for you.


Ja, it don't make news because they are 'righteous christian undertakings.'


Calling yourself a Christian does not make you one. Being a Christian does. Your examples are tainted in that they refer to non-Christians who merely call themselves Christians. Christians are defined by who they follow, specifically Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ never taught violence but instead taught the Golden Rule. He is a teacher of love and not hate and violence. So, your use of these non-Christian organizations to support your argument falls flat on the wrong side of truth.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 8:47:21 AM   
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Ain't old Jeebus gonna come back to earth and slaughter everybody? (Revelations)


Don't appear to be outliers in Christiandom either. They are ALL terrorists.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 8:49:04 AM   
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Sure, there are bad people in any culture, but outliers aren't at issue here, are they.



I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this posted. Your entire attack on Muslims is based on taking the actions of a tiny minority of extremists and misrepresenting their actions as representative of the whole. IOW your attacks on Islam rely entirely on taking the actions of "outliers" as mainstream.

Even by the myopic bigoted standards of the looney Right, this piece of hypocrisy reaches stratospheric levels.

Actually it goes for all the usual suspects...Ive been afk for a few days, and the BS coming out of their hive minds is unreal, and beyond ignorant lying hypocrisy.





I am not attacking Muslims, that is you two projecting your own prejudices. I am pointing out the issues caused by Islamic doctrine, which undeniably teaches Islamists horrific things, and there are entire states etc that undeniably enforce barbaric Islamic "religious" law

That you and tweaka pretend that I wrote "Muslims" is your own fantasy creation, and springs from your own hatred and distrust of Muslim people, who I personally have no problem with and do not prejudge as individuals



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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 8:52:18 AM   
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Well isn't there the doctrine in the old testament that says you kill every man, woman, child, donkey, all living creatures in Jericho? (among others?)


Ain't old Jeebus gonna come back to earth and slaughter everybody? (Revelations)


Don't appear to be outliers in Christiandom either. They are ALL terrorists.


Yet Christians follow the Jesus Christ of the New Testament. So your reference to the Battle of Jericho has nothing to do with Christians.
No. Jesus returns to raise the dead back to life in Revelations. He does this one life at a time. He returns when you die.
It's good we had this talk.


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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 8:59:34 AM   
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Central African Republic.
National Liberation Front Tripura.
National Socialist Council of Nagaland.


Just a couple for you.


Ja, it don't make news because they are 'righteous christian undertakings.'


Calling yourself a Christian does not make you one. Being a Christian does. Your examples are tainted in that they refer to non-Christians who merely call themselves Christians. Christians are defined by who they follow, specifically Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ never taught violence but instead taught the Golden Rule. He is a teacher of love and not hate and violence. So, your use of these non-Christian organizations to support your argument falls flat on the wrong side of truth.



Oh, fuck that ignorant shit. Same shit, calling yourself a Muslim doesn't make you one, being a Muslim does. Jeebus certainly taught violence. Whipping people in the temple, killing even fig trees.


Luke: "But now the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag; and the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one."
Revelations is full of old Jeebus slaughtering the world.

Don't be a pillar of salt, as well as a fuckin' fool.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 9:05:33 AM   
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We have seen what happens when Christians have authority - torture, executions, laws restricting speech and other freedoms. It was the advent of secular authority that put an end to such atrocities. Rather than serve as a lame excuse to roll over and allow the Christians to trample us,

We are talking about the Christians who go to church twice a week and eat out as families each Sunday after church. These are the ones who invite you to church but don't cut your head off if you don't attend. And they race each other to the favorite restaurants after church. They also support the poor and spend money on bringing education and medical care to those in need here and overseas. I'm not sure why you feel so threatened by these people since they really hurt no one. I think you have a lot of anger and hate in your post which distorts your view of things as they really are.

Since I haven't gotten a straight answer yet to my previous post, I'll add to the current discussion, to which I shall preface that I am not against all Muslims. Half of them are females who had no choice in their lineage or whom their birth parents were. Those who are law-abiding citizens who just want to be left alone to raise their families and run their small businesses, who don't support terrorism and are not aiding & abetting terrorist cells/groups must outnumber those who do, I would imagine. See this as an allegorical fable or ancient legend if you must, but God would have spared the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah for 10 righteous men...but 10 righteous men were nowhere to be found within those city gates.

Organized Christian mercy ministries aside (The Salvation Army, those of various denominations), when I volunteered for many years at a local Food Bank, plus helped to kick off and run the Clothing Bank, this was run by one non-denominational Protestant pastor, his wife, daughter and son-in-law in a cramped, little churchhouse whose congregation numbered perhaps a dozen parishioners. We welcomed anyone and everyone in need who graced our doors. Our testimony was not in words (other than to say "God bless you"), but we would pray for anybody WHO REQUESTED it -- our testimony to Christ was in our deeds. But more than that, it was out of the goodness of our hearts that we did not want to see our neighbors and our neighbors' children go without the basics, so we did our part in easing this burden of suffering.

As Arturas has countered, please do not paint all Christians with as broad a damning paintbrush as you would not wish for us to do with non-Christians.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 9:05:47 AM   
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Well isn't there the doctrine in the old testament that says you kill every man, woman, child, donkey, all living creatures in Jericho? (among others?)


Ain't old Jeebus gonna come back to earth and slaughter everybody? (Revelations)


Don't appear to be outliers in Christiandom either. They are ALL terrorists.


Yet Christians follow the Jesus Christ of the New Testament. So your reference to the Battle of Jericho has nothing to do with Christians.
No. Jesus returns to raise the dead back to life in Revelations. He does this one life at a time. He returns when you die.
It's good we had this talk.



Ah, so fuck god, who never changes, go for the imposter. Gotcha. And you ain't read revelations, you got them fucked up eyes, get em checked. He does no such a fucking thing. He sorts sheep and goats.


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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 9:22:53 AM   
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Maybe a new thread is needed, along the lines of "I'm a right wing Christian and I hate fucking Muslims"

I've toyed with starting a thread called "Islam has some disturbing aspects. How can one respond?" But I suspect the discussion would swiftly deteriorate.

You have seen it here, a certain group would try to make it a condemnation of Christians.
I think Bama just may be right. Tell you what, dc...go ahead and start your thread and let's see whether it makes it through the first two pages.

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RE: Wanna buy a slave? - 9/8/2014 11:48:57 AM   
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certainly worth derailing a discussion about it.

I derailed nothing. This thread was never about the selling of girls as sex slaves. This thread was about OPs' dissatisfaction with hearing about "the war on women." The mentioning of the sex slaves is a straw man - a rhetorical club to beat those who stand for the rights of women and gays against those who would deny them. The whole point of mentioning the sex slaves is to say "See! We're morally superior! So you people who complain about Christians should just shut up!"






No. It was about the fact that the slave trade is now open and public on social media. And that is disgusting. I would LOVE it if the feminists in first world countries would start fighting against it rather than continue the phony "war on women" crap. (An example of the crap it is: Disney cartoons are now bad and should be banned for being too "hetreonormative." They are a form of patriarchal oppression.)

And really Marc, not having a couple of types of birth control covered is the same a the whipping of rape victims or the shooting of women that commit adultery or selling them as sex slaves?

Two women or two men not being able to get married in a state is the same as them being beheaded?

Your moral equivalency is disgusting.


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