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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/19/2014 8:22:51 PM   
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So take the objection that something sad and twisted could result take for example chicken lady to take this argument seriously one must ignore the sort of horrors this life has to offer; they are considerable.



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The relationship between religion and schizophrenia is of particular interest to psychologists because of the similarities between religious experiences and psychotic episodes; religious experiences often involve auditory and/or visual hallucinations, and those with schizophrenia commonly report similar hallucinations, along with a variety of delusions and faulty beliefs. A common report from those with schizophrenia is some type of a religious delusion - that is, they believe they are divine beings, God is talking to them, they are possessed by demons, etc.[5][6][7] In a study of patients with schizophrenia that had been previously admitted to a hospital, 24% had religious delusions.[8] This has led some researchers to question whether schizophrenia leads an individual to become more religious, or if intense religiosity leads to schizophrenia.[9]

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/19/2014 8:25:54 PM   
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I'm a god in bed.


Aren't you a virgin?

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/21/2014 3:18:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Obviously you cannot distinguish between fact and hypothesis. Some of the results of modern science are suggestive of various possibilities that may not have been considered in the past, but possibility and reality are distinct. They are lines of study/speculation, nothing more. Your bias is clearly causing you to exaggerate the significance of such observations. Some connection does not imply a total connection.

Now the religious also explore lines of study/speculation. For example, is the anti-Christ alive in our time? Who is the best candidate for the anti-Christ? Is he a man of peace? Hmm. What I have heard about schizophrenia is that it is possible that their symptoms are a result of not being able to filter information; they don't have a BS meter. In other words they assign too high weight or perhaps also too little weight to things. In others they are unable to or find it difficult to distinguish between lines of study/speculation and fact.

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ORIGINAL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_schizophrenia
The relationship between religion and schizophrenia is of particular interest to psychologists because of the similarities between religious experiences and psychotic episodes; religious experiences often involve auditory and/or visual hallucinations, and those with schizophrenia commonly report similar hallucinations, along with a variety of delusions and faulty beliefs. A common report from those with schizophrenia is some type of a religious delusion - that is, they believe they are divine beings, God is talking to them, they are possessed by demons, etc.[5][6][7] In a study of patients with schizophrenia that had been previously admitted to a hospital, 24% had religious delusions.[8] This has led some researchers to question whether schizophrenia leads an individual to become more religious, or if intense religiosity leads to schizophrenia.[9]

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/21/2014 3:43:57 PM   
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Aren't you a virgin?


I only wish. Sex is often disappointing. It is only truly rewarding when you really like them. Only a Goddess is worthy of a God.

This brings up an interesting point relating to Human Animal Hybrids and the Antichrist. Christ is a human God hybrid. If the Antichrist were to attempt to mimic Christ in this way, how might events unfold? If humanity is the invariant, what you get is human X hybrid where X is neither God nor human. Human is the vanilla case. The most viable candidate would be animal as in human animal hybrid.

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/21/2014 6:49:08 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ShvYrYnxo

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/23/2014 4:36:04 PM   
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Morality is likely partially genetic as in has a genetic foundation. It often comes out twisted because it is only a foundation. We must use free will to build something sensible upon this foundation. As such appeals to morality will move them. Martyrdom is a two way street.


One of the fears is this genetic foundation maybe something that could be removed.

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/23/2014 5:46:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very interesting video on transhumanism.

TransHumanism Part 2 The Digital Messiah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBTCYD2Wax0

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 4:21:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		My objection to some of the notions held by transhumanists is that once the problems of disease, aging, and the awkwardness of the human machine interface are overcome there will be little incentive to become machines. I do not see a desperate merger over the horizon. There will be plenty of time to gain a full understanding of the nature of consciousness and related concepts such as spirit and soul. There is no emergency. There is no emergency to upload our brain into a machine. As the technology that may allow us to do so come online so will be the means to enable flesh to attain perfection.

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 4:36:57 PM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 4:49:06 PM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 4:51:55 PM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 5:14:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is antidotal evidence that suggests the brain isn't everything and that other organs such as the heart influence what we call consciousness. For example, what sort of food we enjoy eating. We don't really understand as yet what the effect of a full brain transplant would have. It is easy to imagine that there exist many subtle feedback loops between the brain and the body. If consciousness is a quantum effect, it could very well be intimately tied to the matter that expresses it. It may be that consciousness could be temporarily transferred to new media, but would break down shortly thereafter.

The Spirit of the Antichrist is one of illusion and half truth. It is the be careful of what you wish for. Do you want world peace? What might be the long term effect of the ObamaVision I spoke of? See How would you take down ISIL? http://www.collarchat.com/m_4733982/tm.htm

It makes sense in a battle zone, but in our home land? What sort of precedence is this setting? I would not be surprised that our leaders will insist that it not be used as a weapon of war, but one of peace. If used as a weapon of war, then its might be revealed to be a weapon of war.

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 5:26:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		How many here would be anxious to excise the genetic foundation for morality and religiosity? calling it the cause of war and the foundation of bigotry. Would you really know what you are doing when you consider the innate wisdom of evolution, an expression of wisdom accumulated over not centuries, but billions of years.

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 5:32:26 PM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 5:44:04 PM   
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If consciousness is a quantum effect, it could very well be intimately tied to the matter that expresses it. It may be that consciousness could be temporarily transferred to new media, but would break down shortly thereafter.


Doesn't this suggest that life after death is nonsense? Yes and no. It suggests that something must exist that is friendly to consciousness that brings much needed nourishment at the moment of death.

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 5:48:06 PM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 5:59:55 PM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 6:13:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Artists are familiar with the effect the media has on the outcome. In a sense an artist brings out what is already there. Our media is organic, but what personality would inorganic matter have? Inorganic matter didn't have what it takes whereas organic matter did.

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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 6:20:04 PM   
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RE: Human Animal Hybrids and the AntiChrist - 9/25/2014 6:25:37 PM   
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