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Bhruic -> Pro Subs (9/12/2014 1:14:46 PM)
Perhaps I have missed it... but I have never seen a post by someone who professes to be a "Pro" sub, and who requires financial compensation for sessions. Does that exist here? I'm just curious... in the wake of all the talk about Financial Domination. And if there are pro subs who charge, how do people view that in comparison to Financial domination? It seems to me that Financial Dominants can deflect the suggestion that it is prostitution by referencing financial domination as a kink unto itself, rather than a transaction. Is this position unique to Financial Dominants?

AAkasha -> RE: Pro Subs (9/12/2014 7:49:45 PM)
About 4-5 years ago I paid a pro sub (male) I met here on CM. We did the session as Passive Arts in LA when it was still around. I also paid a pro femdom for the session so we could double team him. It was well worth it. I find an erotic interest, and a practical interest, in the concept of a pro male sub. I like that there's a ton of gear in a fully stocked dungeon and I can come and go with no strings attached. If there were a wide variety of subs available, I would do it again. They are mostly prominent in the gay scene. Whenever I post about this I get emails from subs, "hey you can pay me if you want! I will give you a great deal even..." or "why would you pay when subs will do it for free?" As an attractive (at least I would like to think so!) intelligent woman, in shape and very sensual and dynamic in my femdom style, yes, I could get any number of subs to be available. The thing about a pro is you are paying for the access to gear, an anonymous location and most importantly his beauty, skill and body. He was nothing short of model good looks, and just my type. I'd say he wasn't EVERY woman's type, not a hard bodied stud out of the pages of GQ, but gorgeous eyes and skin, a very perfect mouth, nice hair, and lean -- my type. More importantly, he was a skilled bottom - knew how to move his body, breathe the right way, give an appropriately timed authentic groan in agony, knew what pushed the buttons of a sadist. A sub (bottom) who does not know how to "perform" is not someone I would pay. For a skilled bottom (sub) who had a thin build, beautiful facial structure and NO agenda, I would pay $300/hr in a heartbeat if he could provide a fully stocked dungeon in a safe place (meaning a fully run dungeon with women around). I'm actually kind of bummed there is no market. It's also convenient because my urges tend to come on hot and fast -- I want to get it out of my system and don't have so much time for courtship (ME courting the man), screening, developing chemistry. If I just want a pretty face, nice eyes, nice skin to torture, it saves me money in the long run - I am self employed and time is money for me. edit to add: I won't lie, it's also a fantasy. The rich, powerful woman, dumping a load of cash on a man who is a piece of meat for my use. I also paid a male escort about 15 years ago, before the Internet was pretty established, just to have that feeling of "I OWN you bitch, do as I say" -- it was not about sexual intercourse or even kissing, just bondage and pain. Akasha

ExiledTyrant -> RE: Pro Subs (9/12/2014 7:54:18 PM)
BTW, your check bounced.

AAkasha -> RE: Pro Subs (9/12/2014 8:01:08 PM)
I paid cash. quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant BTW, your check bounced.

DarkSteven -> RE: Pro Subs (9/12/2014 10:38:06 PM)
There aren't many but, yes, they exist. Pavlova is the local pay-for-kink site. It consisted of four or five pro Dommes and one pro sub, who became a pro switch. There are about a dozen pro spankees that I know of. Most are switches that lean spankee. I don't know if you'd equate being a pro spankee with being a pro sub.

CountDrackula -> RE: Pro Subs (9/14/2014 12:50:27 PM)
90-99% are fake...doth not exist in reality...but who am i to quote such figures...i may have solen some loons profile therefore surely i cannot be beleived and why are brain eating spiders crawling out of my screen...they devour brains not their opposite sex you know. there is a greater chance a male will be a genuine pro sub - but he usually just wants a cheap thrill and meek thrashing so he can eeek one out into his socks...there is zero market for a pro male sub i doubt many pro women subs, there may be one or two in the uk, allow me to clobber them witless with my kitchen sink and stretch their cavity with my fridge freezer - these do not exist either...well not in that sense

DerangedUnit -> RE: Pro Subs (9/14/2014 1:13:33 PM)
as a slave who in her youth had been both a pro domme and escort, i can give some insight into the reason for this. being a pro sub is a horrible business model. the goal is to get the most money for the least use, subs are a lot more likely to want a girl on their arms for a work function while doms are more likely to rape you, throw you in a ditch, and call you stupid for trying it. there are pro submissives... they are just more commonly known by other terms. you just have to get in good with their pimps/dealers to hit them first. advertising weakness in a "profession" that is already dangerous is the last thing you do. on the girl side anyhow.sub guys there are a lot who you can pay to do what you want they might not post it but they dream about it. so ask and you can get a whole haggle of pool boys

TieMeInKnottss -> RE: Pro Subs (9/14/2014 1:29:26 PM)
As someone that identifies as having a "submissive" personality as well as being sexually submissive PLUS having a finance degree (so I love all things money/business related)... I, at first, thought the same thing. If you can get paid to be dominant, then why is there no one getting paid to be a sub? Well, first...think about it...there are plenty of people who get paid for being (non-sexually) submissive... Anyone whose job requires them to wait on, provide service, cater to is taking on a submissive role. If you are at the very bottom of that totem pole (the person who works for the person who owns the company or who only does the work assigned to them), you are a "paid sub" Now, as for being a "sexual" submissive, I think the personality issue becomes a problem. Often, subs need the "push". I could never say to someone in a dominant position ( one that I accepted as such) "you owe me $XYZ" nor could I argue/dicker over how much I should receive or enforce receiving payment. Now maybe as a "bottom" without any of the mental stuff... Basically, I realized that, while there may be a GREAT market for it...the business model would be flawed. You need an operations person in there who would then "dominate" the subs...and then you hit the "pimping out" issue.

RockaRolla -> RE: Pro Subs (9/14/2014 1:46:48 PM)
Pro-dommes in general, not just this forum, get more of the attention than pro-subs. I've always wondered about this. Are there just fewer pro-subs to go around? Or is the assumption that it's another term for prostitute all the more common for a pro-sub? If the former, I'd imagine it's an element of risk that discourages the profession. Letting someone pay for the privilege of dominating you can lead to an even stickier (or painful) situation.

littleladybug -> RE: Pro Subs (9/14/2014 1:51:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TieMeInKnottss Now, as for being a "sexual" submissive, I think the personality issue becomes a problem. Often, subs need the "push". I could never say to someone in a dominant position ( one that I accepted as such) "you owe me $XYZ" nor could I argue/dicker over how much I should receive or enforce receiving payment. Now maybe as a "bottom" without any of the mental stuff... I get what you are saying. However, if one could get themselves into the frame of mind where they are providing a service and playing a role...how would that be different from being a Pro Domme?? It seems to me that it's a matter of separating who you are personally from who you are professionally. As much as it may cause me to be flamed here...I'm going to say that I think with your comments, you're giving the pro Doms WAY too much credit. It's a business. So long as you have the ability to look at the bottom line...which is the green...I don't think there would be too many issues.

PandoraFoxxx -> RE: Pro Subs (9/14/2014 2:08:11 PM)
Pro subs are much much more under the radar than Pro Dommes. I know several. It is not something you advertise as much in places like this, there is much more danger of being attacked. There are distinct ways of doing things and publicly advertising being a professional sub in a place like CM/CS can be a dangerous venture. Most professional subs are also very private people, they are of the mind that it really isn't anyone's business what they do - they're not outwardly such the way many Dommes are. Dommes are supposed to 'command attention' as it were - it's an expected behaviour and it gets them business. Pro subs are much quieter because it goes with the role, and that gets them business. This is part and partial to the double standards within the outside world - as well as sadly, the community - with regards to sexual power and using it. This is also not a site for advertising such services - so why on earth would they bother? I hope this helps :) As far as it being a horrible business model and the pro subs needing "guidance" or "managers" that is simply untrue. Some, yes, of course the doormat non-proactive in daily life type of submissives would never make it as a pro, it takes a self starting attitude to do any professional D/s or sex-work. There are plenty of subs out there who are very proactive in their careers. Same goes for the lazy pro fin-dommes. They're more than likely here because their ad over on escort pages doesn't get any hits. You gotta work hard to write your own paycheck.

CougarRick -> RE: Pro Subs (9/14/2014 5:13:57 PM)
Wow? Pro Subs? I always assumed that male subs were in more supply than female doms and subsequently females doms never had to pay for subs. Learn something new every day.

DarkSteven -> RE: Pro Subs (9/14/2014 5:26:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CougarRick Wow? Pro Subs? I always assumed that male subs were in more supply than female doms and subsequently females doms never had to pay for subs. Learn something new every day. All the ones I've heard of were FEMALE pro subs.

FieryOpal -> RE: Pro Subs (9/14/2014 7:58:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: CougarRick Wow? Pro Subs? I always assumed that male subs were in more supply than female doms and subsequently females doms never had to pay for subs. Learn something new every day. All the ones I've heard of were FEMALE pro subs. Unless they cater to a gay clientèle and are themselves bisexual, more like a bi male switch. This is beyond the scope of my understanding (since I am not looks-centric), but there is a small percentage of women who find gay men more physically attractive, rippled or buff than your average straight man. Whether it's convenience, or no time/desire to cultivate relationships, there is a tiny pocket of women who will hire a male escort or gigolo, who themselves are either relying on a gay client base or doing gigs part time (like a struggling actor, musician or student making ends meet). Think of it in terms of that market share, CougarRick. In my experience, though, the very few Sugar Mamas I've ever seen were either over-the-hill, chronically ill, and/or out to snatch a much younger man to attend to their personal servicing needs.

MissToYouRedux -> RE: Pro Subs (9/14/2014 9:13:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: CougarRick Wow? Pro Subs? I always assumed that male subs were in more supply than female doms and subsequently females doms never had to pay for subs. Learn something new every day. All the ones I've heard of were FEMALE pro subs. Unless they cater to a gay clientèle and are themselves bisexual, more like a bi male switchII Actually the one I know in Vegas caters to women and doesn't have the body type one might expect, but seems a lot of fun (no professional experience with him ;) ) and he doesn't support himself with it.

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