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Politesub53 -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/2/2014 5:10:33 PM)

Missing you already.



Kirata -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/2/2014 9:58:52 PM)


A couple of fellows were sitting on their porch one day when something that looked like a bird flew straight into the trunk of a large tree on the lawn, disappearing completely inside it. The tree shuddered, and a short time later collapsed straight down into it's stump, leaving only a cloud of dust and a pile of wood chips. "God damn ducks," the first fellow said. The second blinked. "That was not a fucking duck!" "Oh yeah?" the first fellow fired back, drawing himself up haughtily. "Then what exactly was it?" "Damned if I know," the second admitted. The first fellow snorted. "That's what I thought, idiot. It was a duck."

This story is fictional. Any resemblance to real persons or events is purely coincidental.

K.







MrRodgers -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/2/2014 10:53:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

the only real investigation that has been done on this so far is from private parties, all the government did was sweep everything under the table which of course is criminal negligence and spoliation of evidence.


Give it up man, they don't care, the American people don't care.

A friend of mine, very smart, Vietnam war protester and all around skeptic about our govt., now a college professor, conceded to me in the 70's that yes, the CIA took out Kennedy, the FBI allowed it...and he didn't care. (BTW...Army intelligence)

I finally heard a man (a friend [?] I thought) tell me last year..."They ought to drag that 'N' out of the white house and...shoot his black ass."

The last honest president. Here With this and executive order 11110...the straw(s) that as they say...broke the camel's back. (exec. order took fed. reserve notes out of circulation replaced by silver cert.)

America is gone. This isn't the country that relatives fought for in WWII and not that long from now, won't even be the country it is today.

For sports, celebrity worship, regressing standard of living, partisan political bullshit...we let it all slip away. As I've said and increasingly believe, the youngest of today, will be...spitting on our graves. Here's why.....

In response to a great article about how men get older but don't grow up. How the patriarchs have lost their way...philanderers, liars, cheaters, scoundrels, cool bad-boy dominance wholly without substance, monstrosities inseparable from their perceived charisma. Where were the heroes, the Huck Finns to find and have real value and at least something...someone to keep us there ?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

As we mark the 100-year anniversary of The Great War, perhaps we should consider "a crisis of authority" not the death-knell of society but rather the culmination of the enlightenment. The political, moral and social authorities of the 20th century marched millions of Huck Finns off to die. And during brief periods of peacetime, the adults in the room actively discouraged every major social movement towards racial, sexual or economic equality.

Why would a generation raised in the shadow of the 20th century strive to become the very 'moms' and 'dads' whose authority created the problems we are tasked with solving? Who can blame us for preferring a juvenile, adventure-filled "Odyssey" after witnessing a century of mature, authoritative and blood-soaked "Iliads"?

History has and will continue to refute man's inevitable ascendancy. We stagnate in a cesspool, of pride, greed, power and corruption no less and in fact as much or more, as any of our predecessors.



Politesub53 -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/3/2014 3:54:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


A couple of fellows were sitting on their porch one day when something that looked like a bird flew straight into the trunk of a large tree on the lawn, disappearing completely inside it. The tree shuddered, and a short time later collapsed straight down into it's stump, leaving only a cloud of dust and a pile of wood chips. "God damn ducks," the first fellow said. The second blinked. "That was not a fucking duck!" "Oh yeah?" the first fellow fired back, drawing himself up haughtily. "Then what exactly was it?" "Damned if I know," the second admitted. The first fellow snorted. "That's what I thought, idiot. It was a duck."

This story is fictional. Any resemblance to real persons or events is purely coincidental.

K.







Says the fucking idiot who posts bullshit but no evidence. If you have anything post it, because by not doing so you are starting to look sillier by the minute.

This story is fictional. Any resemblance to real persons or events is purely coincidental.



DomKen -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/3/2014 7:09:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


A couple of fellows were sitting on their porch one day when something that looked like a bird flew straight into the trunk of a large tree on the lawn, disappearing completely inside it. The tree shuddered, and a short time later collapsed straight down into it's stump, leaving only a cloud of dust and a pile of wood chips. "God damn ducks," the first fellow said. The second blinked. "That was not a fucking duck!" "Oh yeah?" the first fellow fired back, drawing himself up haughtily. "Then what exactly was it?" "Damned if I know," the second admitted. The first fellow snorted. "That's what I thought, idiot. It was a duck."

This story is fictional. Any resemblance to real persons or events is purely coincidental.


Just to make the point crystal clear. If you have a point make it. Use declarative sentences. Go on the record stating what it is you believe happened on 9/11/01 that is at variance with the historical record. If not you are a coward of the worst and lowest sort.



Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/5/2014 11:06:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Oh goodie, more bullshit conspiracies about 9/11. Thanks RO [8|]



But you already accepted conspiracy bullshit from the gubmint, havent you? Remember, 19 hijackers "conspired" to attack some mythical freedoms etc etc etc......so are you trying to demonstrate for us a priceless example of hypocracy or confirmation bias?


You would seriously buy this:

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/pentagon/PENTAGONLIGHTPOLEMOWER-3.gif[/image]

When reality proves this:


[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/SLICE.gif[/image]



Politesub53 -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/5/2014 4:02:40 PM)

LOL at your idea of reality, have you any clue what the fucking plane is in your video ?

I will start......it aint a modern passenger.

Still keep up the trolling until you can produce anything to back up your bullshit.



Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/8/2014 7:56:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

LOL at your idea of reality, have you any clue what the fucking plane is in your video ?

I will start......it aint a modern passenger.

Still keep up the trolling until you can produce anything to back up your bullshit.



Of course! But do you have any idea what plane is in that video?

What do you think 'modern passenger' has to do with anything? Are you trying to imply older planes were made out of styro foam and scotch tape? What?

Oh the plane is only the beginning. You want to support the official lie you have a really big job ahead of you!


[image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/wtcmoltenmetal_zps5d7b3414.gif[/image]



mnottertail -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/9/2014 7:17:21 AM)

that mashup of nothingness is nothingness.



RottenJohnny -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/9/2014 3:07:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
that mashup of nothingness is nothingness.

But I loved the attempt of his airplane logic.



Politesub53 -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/10/2014 4:14:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Of course! But do you have any idea what plane is in that video?

What do you think 'modern passenger' has to do with anything? Are you trying to imply older planes were made out of styro foam and scotch tape? What?

Oh the plane is only the beginning. You want to support the official lie you have a really big job ahead of you!



The plane in your video has fuck all to do with 9/11, just the same as all your other bullshit videos and so called evidence.

Ergo, bullshit posted in whatever medium you are currently using, is still just bullshit. You are so gullible its laughable.



Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/16/2014 9:38:22 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Of course! But do you have any idea what plane is in that video?

What do you think 'modern passenger' has to do with anything? Are you trying to imply older planes were made out of styro foam and scotch tape? What?

Oh the plane is only the beginning. You want to support the official lie you have a really big job ahead of you!



The plane in your video has fuck all to do with 9/11, just the same as all your other bullshit videos and so called evidence.

Ergo, bullshit posted in whatever medium you are currently using, is still just bullshit. You are so gullible its laughable.




so your convincing argument consists of nothing more than naked assertions? Thats a logical fallacy you know. Never seen that as a winning strategy but.....

See the point is that poles cut wings off and the planes burst into flames at 6 - 7 times the alleged speed of the plane, hence the pentagon clip should have shown a flaming blob going into the pentagon and since the outer left wing hit 3 poles and the outer right wing hit 2 poles there should have been flaming wing parts all over the lawn.

[image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/operationvacusuk_008_zps951da5b3.gif[/image]

[image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/pent/aerial_traj_postss_zps2251aebc.jpg[/image]

[image]http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d141/4dumdebunkers/pen/penagonlawn_zps858a383a.gif[/image]

So reason would insist that since we know that its a fact that wings get cut off by poles and they almost immediately burst into flames and we do not see that either in the clips provided by the government or any debris field evidencing the same we must conclude what the government told us could not have happened in the manner they claim.



Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/16/2014 9:40:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

that mashup of nothingness is nothingness.



which is why you are not a forensic examiner

Sadly some people dont even know the difference between what is hollywood and what is real

[image]http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d141/4dumdebunkers/beer_zps288554b7.gif[/image]

planes, especially the wings are constructed out of aluminum and are fuel containers which when compared to the yield strength of steel, well it does not compare.


quote:

ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
that mashup of nothingness is nothingness.

But I loved the attempt of his airplane logic.


not my logic, those tests were performed by the faa and other interested groups to help improve aircraft safety.



mnottertail -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/16/2014 9:58:15 AM)

We dont see where it hit poles, and we dont see it hitting the pentagon.



sloguy02246 -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/16/2014 12:37:56 PM)

Your "theory" isn't proven even if the plane's wings contacted the light poles.
You have failed to explain your "theory" in terms of the design construction of the light poles.

Modern light poles (and roadside signs) are designed and installed to break away at their base under impact. so that when if an automobile collides with one, the car isn't split in half and the car's engine driven by the pole into and through the passenger cabin.

Whether or not the airplane's wings made contact with any light poles is still debatable, but even if they did, any impact would have caused the poles to collapse - by design - rather than rip through the wing.

By the way, where are your after-photos showing the downed and/or broken off light poles?












stef -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/16/2014 5:35:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sloguy02246

Your "theory" isn't proven even if the plane's wings contacted the light poles.
You have failed to explain your "theory" in terms of the design construction of the light poles.

Modern light poles (and roadside signs) are designed and installed to break away at their base under impact. so that when if an automobile collides with one, the car isn't split in half and the car's engine driven by the pole into and through the passenger cabin.

Whether or not the airplane's wings made contact with any light poles is still debatable, but even if they did, any impact would have caused the poles to collapse - by design - rather than rip through the wing.

By the way, where are your after-photos showing the downed and/or broken off light poles?

You're trying to use logic with Surreal0ne. That's cute. A waste of your time, but still cute.



Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/19/2014 3:18:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: stef
You're trying to use logic with Surreal0ne. That's cute. A waste of your time, but still cute.


Well I realize this is some pretty complicated even overwhelming stuff for you stef, so here is a nice compressed and summarized version that I expect will help you considerably to catch up.

The complete official story retold in less than 5 minutes



Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/19/2014 3:19:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

We dont see where it hit poles, and we dont see it hitting the pentagon.



yep thats the whole problem, we dont see much of anything do we? Just the 'story' we are told and expected to believe without question.



Real0ne -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/19/2014 4:16:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sloguy02246

Your "theory" isn't proven even if the plane's wings contacted the light poles.
You have failed to explain your "theory" in terms of the design construction of the light poles.

Modern light poles (and roadside signs) are designed and installed to break away at their base under impact. so that when if an automobile collides with one, the car isn't split in half and the car's engine driven by the pole into and through the passenger cabin.

Whether or not the airplane's wings made contact with any light poles is still debatable, but even if they did, any impact would have caused the poles to collapse - by design - rather than rip through the wing.

By the way, where are your after-photos showing the downed and/or broken off light poles?





Your "theory" isn't proven even if the plane's wings contacted the light poles.
You have failed to explain your "theory" in terms of the design construction of the light poles.

Modern light poles (and roadside signs) are designed and installed to break away at their base under impact. so that when if an automobile collides with one, the car isn't split in half and the car's engine driven by the pole into and through the passenger cabin.


Well the part they forgot to tell you, since it appears to me you did not actually research this yourself, correctly said for roadside poles ; "to break away at their base under impact [at or near the base]".

That would have been the correct way to state it. Modern isnt a factor, what is that they have the same wind loading specs for the obvious reason that they do not tip over in 120+mph winds. The base does not break or shear with high top loads. It would be worthless if it did.

Whether or not the airplane's wings made contact with any light poles is still debatable, but even if they did, any impact would have caused the poles to collapse - by design - rather than rip through the wing.

well actually its not debatable in the 'official story' that I am aware of.


By the way, where are your after-photos showing the downed and/or broken off light poles?

Yeh the problem is that naughty people would debate these issues and leave the impression that a breakaway or shatterable base somehow reduced the wind load 40ft above the ground. They do not. Cars do not fly, hence when a car hits a breakaway base the 'base' either shatters or shear bolts the pole is mounted to that are easily sliced off laterally' (approx 90 degree hit) but retain full strength axially. (anything greater than roughly 6 - 7 feet above the base.

There were literally garrisons of mouth pieces flooding the net to sell everyone the 'story'.

Yeh sure, havent argued this for some time but the poles were approaching 400 pounds at approx 110kips yield is you want to use your calculator to do your own math, and the plane is said to be over 500mph roughly the same speed of a .45ACP round.


[image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/pent/plane/poles_zps8a031272-1.gif[/image]

you can compare the tube base to the rim of the truck wheel.

[image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/pent/plane/FuelTankArrangement-9_zps2cd56f6f.jpg[/image]

They are structurally designed for the most strength for lifting, pretty thin stuff, and has bladder fuel tanks.


[image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/pent/plane/20080709__HOUSEWING2p1_zpsea506af0.jpg[/image]



as you can see plane wings rip quite easily

[image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/pent/plane/175a_zps719fe409.gif[/image]


so there are the pics you wanted that were given to us. They were clipped in half, 3 on the outer left wing and 2 on the outer right with no wing parts on the lawn if you can believe that or flaming streak of debris going into the building.



MrRodgers -> RE: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy (10/19/2014 6:56:07 PM)

RealOne, give it up...they don't care. Far too many Americans don't care about what really happened on 9/11.



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