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I think he was on about Lee Rigby although he wasnt actually beheaded, or maybe the latest nutter in North London.

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Which beheading in the UK was this, TH?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby

I guess it didn't show up in the papers you read.

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Two men tried to behead a British soldier in a "barbarous" killing on a London street, hacking at his body "like a butcher attacking a joint of meat" after running him over, a court was told on Friday.

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But, we aren't talking about building more embassies.

No, we're not. But as I understand it, we did try to negotiate for the release of the hostages and we failed. So now what? Put all the blame on the hostages for going there and forget about it? If it were a case where they had been found dead in an alley and there was no clear idea of what happened or why, I might be able to do that. But their deaths were used as a larger political statement against the West directly and non-Muslims indirectly. I think we'd be foolish to ignore that.

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What, in your view, do the beheadings represent?

For now, exactly what ISIS wants us to think they represent...their intent to destroy non-Muslim civilizations, or at least, their unwillingness to accept non-Muslim cultures. Because I don't believe they'll stop threatening us if we simply leave them alone. Not even if we removed everything that represents western culture from their territory. What I'm trying to decide now is whether or not it may represent the Muslim version of the "ghost dance".

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Two men tried to behead a British soldier in a "barbarous" killing on a London street, hacking at his body "like a butcher attacking a joint of meat" after running him over, a court was told on Friday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/u-k-soldier-lee-rigby-s-gruesome-beheading-described-1.2444836

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Two men tried to behead a British soldier in a "barbarous" killing on a London street, hacking at his body "like a butcher attacking a joint of meat" after running him over, a court was told on Friday.

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"He was repeatedly stabbed and it appears it was Michael Adebolajo who made a serious and almost successful attempt to decapitate Lee Rigby with multiple blows to his neck made with the meat cleaver," Whittam said.

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Two men tried to behead a British soldier in a "barbarous" killing on a London street, hacking at his body "like a butcher attacking a joint of meat" after running him over, a court was told on Friday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/u-k-soldier-lee-rigby-s-gruesome-beheading-described-1.2444836

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Do we also bomb parts of London in our efforts to wipe out ISIS? Or, Germany? France?

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ISIS still hasn't caught up with our ally and freedom fighting nation, SAUDI ARABIA.

Human Rights Watch says 19 people have been executed in the kingdom since August 4, including one for sorcery.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/rights-groups-says-surge-saudi-beheadings-20148211414761155.html

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How much threat do they pose the US, by beheading two journalists?

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What risk is there of creating another - perhaps worse - group if we go in guns a-blazing and destroy ISIS?

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Do we also bomb parts of London in our efforts to wipe out ISIS? Or Germany? France?

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Where do we stop in our destruction of ISIS?

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It doesn't matter what they want to do to us.

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You think Putin wants nothing but lollipops and cotton candy for us? North Korea? China? Iran?

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What we are looking at is a group of radicals who allege they are following Islam (I'm neither supporting, nor refuting the accuracy of their allegation), and acting in very barbaric ways. But, is ISIS really a group, or does it ascend from the physical to the symbolic? Al Qaeda isn't gone. It's been decimated, but it's not gone. ISIS is one off-shoot. I don't think we can destroy al Qaeda or ISIS... ever. What those groups represent will always be around. Always.

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Do you really believe that we'd end terrorism if we turned the Middle East into a sea of glass (or even if we killed only ISIS supporters and no one else)?

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That's cute, Polite. Make your admission that you regarded that attack differently than what is on the videos seem like an attack on me.

What's the difference Polite? The domestic terrorists didn't have a flag?

I'm really curious. Do you have any family members of the right age to serve in the military?

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ISIS still hasn't caught up with our ally and freedom fighting nation, SAUDI ARABIA.
Human Rights Watch says 19 people have been executed in the kingdom since August 4, including one for sorcery.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/rights-groups-says-surge-saudi-beheadings-20148211414761155.html

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Tribe members in Syria
During the first two weeks of August, Islamic State fighters killed 700 members of the al-Sheitaat tribe in Syria's Deir al-Zor province, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. Many of them were beheaded, the organization said. Islamic State militants had been battling the tribe since seizing two oil fields in Syria in July.

Yazidis in Iraq
Also in early August, as the group stormed through the homeland of Iraq's Yazidi minority group, reports emerged that Islamic State militants were beheading Yazidi villagers.
"One of the saddest stories was one of our relatives. They beheaded all his 15 family members in front of him and then took him with them," Abu Ali, one of tens of thousands of people who hid from militants on Iraq's Mount Sinjar, told Reuters.

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How much threat do they pose the US, by beheading two journalists?

How much of a threat do they pose regardless of the two beheadings? Who really knows? And that's the problem. We really have no idea. But they seem to have a rather large, heavily armed organization that's smuggling oil, dealing in hostages, taking territory they're not entitled to, executing people at will, and pulling down some huge funding in the process. All the while, threatening to destroy western countries.
Don't get me wrong, DS. I'm not as excited as you may think to be dropping bombs and troops back into Iraq. I've got friends and family in the military that I'd much rather not see deployed. But I'm quickly getting to the point where I see no alternative in dealing with ISIS.

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What risk is there of creating another - perhaps worse - group if we go in guns a-blazing and destroy ISIS?

Just how much worse do you think it can get? Should we wait until they use a WMD?

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Do we also bomb parts of London in our efforts to wipe out ISIS? Or Germany? France?

Now you're just being absurd. Until ISIS starts attacking and taking territory in Europe, I think those governments are capable of handling things inside their own borders just fine. Iraq and Syria apparently aren't.

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Where do we stop in our destruction of ISIS?

It shouldn't be just about destroying ISIS. We shouldn't be abandoning any opportunity to get them to a negotiation table that could stop the violence. But until they understand we're not just going to let them run roughshod over anyone they want why would they stop?

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It doesn't matter what they want to do to us.

Yes it does. Do you seriously think all their talk about destroying western culture while they build an army is just posturing? Should we have just ignored Kruschev when he threatened to bury us? How would our allies have liked that?

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You think Putin wants nothing but lollipops and cotton candy for us? North Korea? China? Iran?

Nope. And you better get yourself ready because those wars are coming.

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What we are looking at is a group of radicals who allege they are following Islam (I'm neither supporting, nor refuting the accuracy of their allegation), and acting in very barbaric ways. But, is ISIS really a group, or does it ascend from the physical to the symbolic? Al Qaeda isn't gone. It's been decimated, but it's not gone. ISIS is one off-shoot. I don't think we can destroy al Qaeda or ISIS... ever. What those groups represent will always be around. Always.

Yup. So your plan is to let them run around acting barbaric as long as they don't attack you?

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Do you really believe that we'd end terrorism if we turned the Middle East into a sea of glass (or even if we killed only ISIS supporters and no one else)?

Nope. Violent zealotry, like any other crime, will probably be around forever. That doesn't make it acceptable.

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How much threat do they pose the US, by beheading two journalists?

How much of a threat do they pose regardless of the two beheadings? Who really knows? And that's the problem. We really have no idea. But they seem to have a rather large, heavily armed organization that's smuggling oil, dealing in hostages, taking territory they're not entitled to, executing people at will, and pulling down some huge funding in the process. All the while, threatening to destroy western countries.
Don't get me wrong, DS. I'm not as excited as you may think to be dropping bombs and troops back into Iraq. I've got friends and family in the military that I'd much rather not see deployed. But I'm quickly getting to the point where I see no alternative in dealing with ISIS.

Where is the Constitutional authority to act?

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What risk is there of creating another - perhaps worse - group if we go in guns a-blazing and destroy ISIS?

Just how much worse do you think it can get? Should we wait until they use a WMD?

How many people would have thought it would get worse than al Qaeda?

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Do we also bomb parts of London in our efforts to wipe out ISIS? Or Germany? France?

Now you're just being absurd. Until ISIS starts attacking and taking territory in Europe, I think those governments are capable of handling things inside their own borders just fine. Iraq and Syria apparently aren't.

Am I? Germany banned support for ISIS. 1 in 6 people responding in France supported ISIS. There are people openly recruiting for ISIS in London.

Why are we the World Police?

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Where do we stop in our destruction of ISIS?

It shouldn't be just about destroying ISIS. We shouldn't be abandoning any opportunity to get them to a negotiation table that could stop the violence. But until they understand we're not just going to let them run roughshod over anyone they want why would they stop?

Why are we the World Police?

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It doesn't matter what they want to do to us.

Yes it does. Do you seriously think all their talk about destroying western culture while they build an army is just posturing? Should we have just ignored Kruschev when he threatened to bury us? How would our allies have liked that?

ISIS doesn't have the ability to do what they want. I don't think they are on par with Krushchev.

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You think Putin wants nothing but lollipops and cotton candy for us? North Korea? China? Iran?

Nope. And you better get yourself ready because those wars are coming.

So, why aren't we talking about bombing them? Those countries have a much greater ability and capacity to attack us than ISIS.

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What we are looking at is a group of radicals who allege they are following Islam (I'm neither supporting, nor refuting the accuracy of their allegation), and acting in very barbaric ways. But, is ISIS really a group, or does it ascend from the physical to the symbolic? Al Qaeda isn't gone. It's been decimated, but it's not gone. ISIS is one off-shoot. I don't think we can destroy al Qaeda or ISIS... ever. What those groups represent will always be around. Always.

Yup. So your plan is to let them run around acting barbaric as long as they don't attack you?

Where is our authority to act? It sure isn't in the US Constitution. It isn't in our NATO treaty. It hasn't even been granted by the UN. We don't have the authority to take down ISIS.

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Do you really believe that we'd end terrorism if we turned the Middle East into a sea of glass (or even if we killed only ISIS supporters and no one else)?

Nope. Violent zealotry, like any other crime, will probably be around forever. That doesn't make it acceptable.

So, perhaps a different way of dealing with it is in order? Or, let the Middle East deal with Middle Eastern problems?

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