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Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 5:56:21 AM   
ScottishSlave247


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Status: offline 		Hi Everyone,

I hope this post is within the Terms and Conditions of the Group, if not please feel free to delete this Discussion.

I am doing a bit of research in to Safe Self Bondage, the biggest issue is always making sure that you have a way out, normally that would mean leaving a key in an accessible place, whether that be set to some time of timed mechanism, which I assume is the most popular method, so that you free yourself at some point.

My question is, what happens if something goes wrong with that timed method of release? Is it common to have another back up plan such as a trusted friend or other who will come to your aid on a set date if they do not hear from you?

My idea at the moment would be a dedicated Company/Business that could be there as a 'back up', so in the event that you can not (or do not want to) trust a friend/neighbour to free you after an agreed upon period of time. You would be able to organise this through a company, which of course has a lot of legal issues and liabilities (which I have also been researching).

I would love to get peoples thoughts and opinions on this, if this is this a valid idea, whereby (legal issues put to one side) you would pay a company to be your back up plan if you get into difficulties and can not free yourself after a set period of time?
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RE: Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 7:55:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fascinating idea. Do you envision this as being confined to a single metro area, or developing a network of kinksters in other cities who would be available if called from your central location?

One issue would be that the company would require the ability to use a phone. If a phone is a viable option, so would a backup key, which would be cheaper.

The requirements for the company would be a phone number that is open 24/7, and a car that's available 24/7. I'm curious how to gauge the demand for the service and how much anyone would be willing to pay for it.

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RE: Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 8:29:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you DarkSteven,

I have been researching this for a few months, speaking to various types of people; kinksters and vanilla regarding this idea.

The basic premise/framework of what I have so far established (and please feel free to correct me or add something on this) is that:

1. The company would clearly need to be registered in each country that it would offer this service as a Ltd Liability (or similar).

2. This service would not be a general one, but specific for each client (premium, due to the nature of this). By Specific I mean that it would all be discussed and arranged upfront,, which would include the method of release. (E.g. If after 3 days I do not contact the Following Number or Enter the Specific Code on your Website after logging in then please Use Key (Given or Stored) which would then allow access to area where this is taking place. Again this is a major security risk, which I realise, so would do everything possible to stay within the legal guidelines, by getting the relevant Security Licences (In the UK that would be Keyholding and possibly one other).

3. To answer your question regarding who could offer this and where it would be offered: For anyone acting on behalf of this Company they would need to be employed on behalf of it (whether that be a 0 hour contract or whatever else), so that there is always a Legal Link to the Company offering this service. Ideally this service would be offered to any European Country and Preferably US as well. How this would work in the Beginning would be Region Specific so most likely London and the Rest of England, as this is the Area I have the most legal knowledge about. This would allow me to test the premise and to establish whether this a viable idea.

4. You are correct about have 24/7 operations, but this does not necessarily mean that the 'Client' would have to have access to a phone to do this (as said previously we could be arranged to appear on an agreed date if not contacted first to let us know the client is safe (which of course would still incur a cost, but a lesser cost)). The reason for this is the same for a lot of Self-Bondage enthusiasts is that they would love to not have a single way out until the 3/4/5 days are up, but for safety issues they need to have something, so normally a key, which does spoil the whole 'being totally trapped' feeling as there is always a way out if needed. However, on this point I would agree that it is a valid point, so possibly something like a Locked Mobile Phone that can only call the Company (would contain multiple numbers to contact company), which would go straight through to the Employee, and depending on the agreed contract, the call may go the way of something wanting to escape because they have simply changed their mind (which we could promptly ignore if this was agreed within the prior contract) leaving them stuck until the agreed date, however if they called to say they were in danger or another reason that was stated upfront then of course that would merit an Employee to release the Client.

I hope this has answered all your questions, as said previously I have done quite a bit of research into this, and will not progress unless I can guarantee 100% Safety, not 99.9999% but a FULL 100% SAFETY, as this could be potentially lethal otherwise, so backups for everything from the dummy phones (dual simcards possibly to 2 networks in case one is down?), same for phoning the company and accessing the Website, everything would have a back up. I am just looking for some feedback on whether this is something that has any interest to people or potential?

PS. The reason I am researching this is because we have all seen atleast 1 news story relating to Death by Misadventure, so I looked into this and realised there was no Official Company who offers to make this safer. Admittedly you can talk to people online and find a Trustee to do this or a close friend, but this is not a viable option for all. So having an Official Company that does this (so relied to be 100% Legitimate and 100% Confidential) will allow people who do not have alternative to atleast not risk not having a back up because of Pride or possible Embarrassment, as I figure a Professional Company Offering this service to Safety Net.

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RE: Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 10:12:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		As stated previously there would be a contract for each client, this would ofcourse exclude liability for natural causes such as; Heart Attack, Strokes etc. However, there are various approaches that can be taken depending on what the client needs are:

Just for the sake of example, the job approach will be considered as a Care Worker.

So if it quite risky (and again this is 1:1 with client, possibly 2:1 with client if need be) this would not be a cheap option for everyone (hopefully not too expensive either), but would definitely cost enough to cover all costs of having someone nearby for the duration of the Experience, whether that be like security, where there is someone constantly nearby that can be alerted at a moment notice, whether that be a Panic Button or through Phone etc. So there is that option of having someone close by at all times, atleast within a 5 minute window.

The idea is that there would be a limited number of clients, meaning that there would only ever be 1 client having this Experience per 2 Employees. This may seem overboard, but would not actually cost as much as you would think, and would also be enough to cover all costs.

Again, feedback on this would be great as it helps to move this idea along!

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RE: Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 10:19:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		You and all employees will need to be bonded. You'd need rigorous background checks, you'd have to really establish trust... Nobody wants robbed after you bind them.

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RE: Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 10:25:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fair point ExiledTyrant, I feel that would be the biggest barrier/hurdle to making something like this work.

However, there is already precedent for giving people trust in that way, they are called Live In Carers, admittedly this is a completely different approach but has some parallels.

You are correct, official background checks, documentations and screening would all be required, just like any other Business.

I hope from what you have read that you understand that this would aim to be a Full Legitimate Business, this whole concept could not work without it for the reasons stated above. However, that is the reason for the Business, what stops a Trustee you meet online from doing the same thing?

At least through a Legitimately Registered Company with Fully Licensed Employees that would be a step in the right direction?

PS. We would not participate in any of the Activities at all, not even to click a handcuff shut. We would be there only as an 'Observer' (if I can use that word) so we would be in the background unless we were required. This would mainly be for Liability, we could not take any responsibility for putting the client in that position.

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RE: Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 10:31:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		You'll have to clear the BTK hurdle, but establishing a relationship in local kink communities is where you'd have to start. I'd say 24/7 business would be your final destination, baby steps by appointment with you licensed and bonded would be your start. You'll need a substantial client base to actually staff your company... I'd set up franchises.

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RE: Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 10:40:26 AM   
ScottishSlave247


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Status: offline 		Thank you again ExiledTyrant,

As you can probably imagine their is not too much discussion regarding this matter so feel like I am treading an almost new path on this one, which does come with quite a few difficulties, however so far none of these hurdles would seem impossible to overcome, so am very surprised as to logistically possible this could be.

I wonder why this approach has not been pursued previously as I would imagine their would be atleast some interest/need for such a service. Admittedly their is quite alot of legal hurdles to jump through to make such a Company possible.

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RE: Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 10:51:13 AM   
ExiledTyrant


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Status: offline 		Licensed, bonded, employees with clean records is about it. Again, establishing a client base is the issue. From a legal stand point, all you're offering is home security (technically), and that is what the state/local licensure agency needs to know. TMI can and will sink your ship. Gotta love capitalism ;)

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RE: Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 11:23:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not to mention, one you open that kink door, any and all public and private entities who are "opposed" to such activities, can and will act to openly thwart your business. Be it licenses, taxes, business licenses, zoning, etc. When you put a face to kink, you paint a big red target on yourself. If you want to walk down that road, better be ready to handle it. Ask anyone who has opened a club, run a leather shop, etc

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RE: Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 11:34:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would do a market analysis, this is not going to be a highly sought after service. For the few that would self bondage, I would make an educated guess that they already have a safety plan in place, and the ones that don't aren't bright enough obviously to know to look for a service such as the one you are offer.

Now as Exile pointed out, get very well known in the community. Your biggest expenditure would be pay, as you are not talking days here, most people can only endure at the most hours so you would need 24/7 employees to cover all times.

I feel that while logistically, yes this is a doable plan. The expenses would far exceed the income on this. I mean really so far this is what you would have.
Start up costs
Insurance
Vehicles
Employees, a minimum of 4
Electric
Phone
Internet
Advertising
just to name the basic things

Now for income, What do you really think someone would pay?
I don't really seeing more than say $50 dollars per incident ( a monthly fee would still not garner in enough, I feel)


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RE: Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 2:13:27 PM   
ScottishSlave247


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Status: offline 		Thanks everyone for their feedback, I have a great response from everyone I have asked regarding this idea. I am currently in process of registering everything that would be required to make this work (in England initially), however, this appears to never have been attempted before. I will require assistance to help set this up, including people to bounce ideas off and content for (already registered) website, if interested in learning more or to help progress this idea please email me:

[email protected]

PS. Can use all the assistance that is offered to make this work!

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RE: Safe Self-Bondage Company? - 9/14/2014 2:27:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to strongly encourage you to, before you spend any money, work out your prospectus based on the feedback you received here. Lay out the step by step as SinFix listed for you, and scrutinize the viability of your plan. Getting random kinksters to do spot appointments for you would be easy, but for your success, sans legal implication, you need licensed and bonded people with a clean background.

Best of luck to you and when you make your first million, we want one hell of a party.

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