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Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 12:07:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		It struck me that the NFL could solve both its current PR problems in one easy move...

The should rename the Washington Redskins, the Washington Wifebeaters.
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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 12:24:07 PM   
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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 12:34:05 PM   
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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 3:09:19 PM   
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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 3:28:20 PM   
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They should have more frequent random anti-doping tests and longer suspensions (1st time one year, 2nd time life) and be sure they'd solve the off field violence problems.

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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 4:07:46 PM   
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It struck me that the NFL could solve both its current PR problems in one easy move...
The should rename the Washington Redskins, the Washington Wifebeaters.


Actually, it would be awesome if the Washington Redskins changed their mascot to a potato.

As far as the domestic violence issue goes, it should stay out of it, or make a broad rule regarding lawbreakers. That is, each level of crime has it's own repercussion, but that has nothing to do with the specific crime. All misdemeanors will result in the same penalty, for instance. Each team has the right to penalize the player, too, and that can be more specific to the crime (afterall, the player is employed by the team, not the league).

The league should have more say in issues of performance enhancing drugs, as they do have a reason to maintain the legitimacy of the game itself.


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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 4:12:46 PM   
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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 4:22:41 PM   
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It struck me that the NFL could solve both its current PR problems in one easy move...

The should rename the Washington Redskins, the Washington Wifebeaters.


They are two different problems but they are both relatively simple to solve.

First, the name of Washington's Team (and yes, I won't use it because I agree that it is a racial slur). If the team owner doesn't want to do the right thing then the League should do what it can (legally and contractually) to force the issue. Social Media should also keep the pressure on. If the Washington Team managment were smart, they'd gin up publicity by holding a naming contest.

As for the violence against women issue, this shouldn't even be a debate. The League should make it a mandatory, league wide, policy that any NFL player (or for that matter, any NFL employee) who is arrested for and/or is seen on video engaging in, violence against women (or anyone for that matter) will be immediately suspended indefinitely - with pay - until the matter is resolved legally. If they are found guilty (and pleading guilty to lesser charges would be considered the same as a guilty plea to the original charges) then they are terminated, with no further pay, and are given a lifetime ban from the League.

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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 8:11:26 PM   
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Alternatively, everyone could stop watching.

Jus sayin


That's probably the best suggestion of all, yet I'm convinced that the public wouldn't be able to stand it. People will still keep lining up and paying for tickets (quite expensive, too), no matter what the team from Washington calls itself or no matter what controversy or criminality might come up. The public won't stop attending the games or stop watching. I don't think any organized boycott of the NFL even stands a chance, as much as I like the idea. People love sports, and a star football or basketball player can do no wrong in their eyes. And even if they do wrong, people still end up riveted by the trial (as was the case with the OJ trial which went on and on and on).

More and more, I think George Carlin was absolutely correct when he observed, "the public sucks."

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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 10:05:31 PM   
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It struck me that the NFL could solve both its current PR problems in one easy move...

The should rename the Washington Redskins, the Washington Wifebeaters.


Right... it was the Baltimore Ravens that had Ray Rice on their team.

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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 10:09:53 PM   
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The court of public opinion is a frightening place -- not far from the lynch mob.


Did you actually see the video where Ray Rice knocked his fiancee unconscious? Kind of tough to manipulate the court of public opinion against a clear cut video of a professional athlete cold-cocking his girlfriend and dragging her limp body from the elevator. It is a crime, and the "alleged" coverup afterward because he is a privileged professional athlete is damming. Which one of us would have had something like that on tape and still be allowed to walk free?

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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 10:11:06 PM   
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They should have more frequent random anti-doping tests and longer suspensions (1st time one year, 2nd time life) and be sure they'd solve the off field violence problems.


They drug test quite frequently in the NFL. Longer suspensions might work.

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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 10:17:04 PM   
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Did you actually see the video where Ray Rice knocked his fiancee unconscious? Kind of tough to manipulate the court of public opinion against a clear cut video of a professional athlete cold-cocking his girlfriend and dragging her limp body from the elevator. It is a crime, and the "alleged" coverup afterward because he is a privileged professional athlete is damming. Which one of us would have had something like that on tape and still be allowed to walk free?



Did you happen to see the un-edited video?

While Ray's response was grossly dis-proportionate, she clearly hits him three times in the un-truncated video. No big deal to be sure but I got the distinct impression that it wasn't the first time she had hit him.

As someone who refuses to lay a hand on a lady that is un-welcomed, I can tell you that some ladies take advantage of that and lash out, physically, based upon their coveted impunity.

What Ray did was wrong but, what if he's been the battered spouse? If it's wrong to hit your partner, gender shouldn't matter (which is another interesting discussion that gay marriage will bring to the fore).







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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 10:29:53 PM   
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Actually, it would be awesome if the Washington Redskins changed their mascot to a potato.



Since I am an Eagles fan, that would suit me just fine. Mashing the Spuds on a Sunday afternoon would be a pleasure.

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As far as the domestic violence issue goes, it should stay out of it, or make a broad rule regarding lawbreakers. That is, each level of crime has it's own repercussion, but that has nothing to do with the specific crime. All misdemeanors will result in the same penalty, for instance. Each team has the right to penalize the player, too, and that can be more specific to the crime (afterall, the player is employed by the team, not the league).


Kind of difficult for the NFL to stay out of the legal troubles of the players. With the exposure of Arron Hernandez being a murderer and heavily involved in street gangs, and the many other well known players and serious legal troubles associated with them, they have to protect the game before the fans abandon ship.

I say if a player gets charged with a crime by the police, they should be suspended without pay by the team and league until their court problem is resolved. Their pay can be held by the league pending outcome of the hearing or investigation into the crime. This will properly cover misdemeanors and anything more severe. Misdemeanors can be resolved very quickly in most cases, and for anything more severe, they will have to deal with the problem before being allowed to return to an active roster. The incentive being to keep your fucking nose clean, literally and figuratively.

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The league should have more say in issues of performance enhancing drugs, as they do have a reason to maintain the legitimacy of the game itself.


The NFL has a very clear and written drug policy which includes street drugs and various other performance enhancing drugs and banned substances. The league is currently reviewing their drug policy, and I am not certain what the proposed revisions might be. One player who is facing a suspension because of a fertility drug that he was taking as prescribed by his doctor so he an his wife could try to have a child might have his suspension overturned as a result of the changes. His defense was that he did not know it was a banned substance... the NFL clearly puts the responsibility on the player to investigate what he puts into his own body, so his defense was bullshit... but it may be a moot point if the changes happen.

Whatever the case, the NFL has a shitty image after losing the lawsuit over the concussions, Arron Hernandez being arrested for executing three people gangland style, and now the scandal de jour of Ray Rice and a few others who are big names in the league. The bleeding has to stop somewhere, and it may take a change in commissioner in order to kick the players in the balls and get them to straighten up.

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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 10:31:28 PM   
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Hope Solo is still playing for the US Women's Soccer team. Why no outrage?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/concha-media-apathetic-on-abuse-charges-against-soccer-star-hope-solo/


Sadly because it is soccer and in this country, that sport is not as high profile.

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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 10:34:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can solve the problems with the NFL... disband it. It's a barbarian sport for Roman citizens, but at least the Romans had the decency to kill off most contestants before they got old and suffered in hospitals from their injuries (both mental and physical).

But certainly, let's criticize the behavior of the contestants. It couldn't possibly be rooted in the society from which it arose or the people who cheer gladly at physical abuse when it happens in a stadium or on a field...

Point the gun at yourselves football fans. The NFL isn't the problem; you are.

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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 10:39:13 PM   
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I say if a player gets charged with a crime by the police, they should be suspended without pay by the team and league until their court problem is resolved. Their pay can be held by the league pending outcome of the hearing or investigation into the crime. This will properly cover misdemeanors and anything more severe. Misdemeanors can be resolved very quickly in most cases, and for anything more severe, they will have to deal with the problem before being allowed to return to an active roster. The incentive being to keep your fucking nose clean, literally and figuratively.



Unfortunately, that would be seriously hindering the player's ability to pay for a defense. I'd have to look but I'd be willing to bet that a constitutional argument could be made against this type of thing.

Frankly, I'm a huge NFL fan but, I think they have enjoyed protection from anti-trust laws for far too long. Competition is good; in ALL businesses.







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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 10:42:56 PM   
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Did you happen to see the un-edited video?



I did.

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While Ray's response was grossly dis-proportionate, she clearly hits him three times in the un-truncated video. No big deal to be sure but I got the distinct impression that it wasn't the first time she had hit him.


OK, I cannot be certain how to tell if there was a pattern of her hitting him or him hitting her from a video like that. This is not me being snarky: If you can tell me how you came to that conclusion I would appreciate that.

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As someone who refuses to lay a hand on a lady that is un-welcomed, I can tell you that some ladies take advantage of that and lash out, physically, based upon their coveted impunity.


You will not get an argument from me on this.

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What Ray did was wrong but, what if he's been the battered spouse? If it's wrong to hit your partner, gender shouldn't matter (which is another interesting discussion that gay marriage will bring to the fore).


Again, no argument from me. I had a friend at one time who was a battered husband. The fucking women was hellfire on wheels and I took him to the hospital a few times due to his injuries. He only ever defended himself from her blows and never hit her once, and they arrested him for spousal abuse. I also must look at the fact that as a professional athlete that plays a violent sport, and is excellent physical condition, and has 300 pound men running at full speed, tackling them and driving them into the ground 40 or more plays a game, it is highly unlikely that a woman is going to phase them if she hits you. Not saying it is impossible, but a bit of a leap for me. Certainly it does not change the fact that she could be the abuser.

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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 10:46:09 PM   
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I can solve the problems with the NFL... disband it. It's a barbarian sport for Roman citizens, but at least the Romans had the decency to kill off most contestants before they got old and suffered in hospitals from their injuries (both mental and physical).

But certainly, let's criticize the behavior of the contestants. It couldn't possibly be rooted in the society from which it arose or the people who cheer gladly at physical abuse when it happens in a stadium or on a field...

Point the gun at yourselves football fans. The NFL isn't the problem; you are.


Yeah. I'll get right on that.

The one things that the Romans did was most of the people that were thrown into gladiator pits were not willing participants that were paid millions of dollars a year to play the "sport." Your analogy is extreme, disproportionate and your conclusions are outlandish. Try again.

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RE: Solving the NFLs problems... - 9/22/2014 10:53:18 PM   
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I also must look at the fact that as a professional athlete that plays a violent sport, and is excellent physical condition, and has 300 pound men running at full speed, tackling them and driving them into the ground 40 or more plays a game, it is highly unlikely that a woman is going to phase them if she hits you. Not saying it is impossible, but a bit of a leap for me. Certainly it does not change the fact that she could be the abuser.



I don't see potential damage as a mitigating factor, honestly.

If you're walking down the street and decide it would be fun to trip me and you do so. I get up and whoop your ass, most people would react with: "Maybe you shouldn't have fucked with him" or "You chose the wrong target".

An even better analogy would be you, standing outside a concert scalping tickets and approaching an undercover cop to do so.

More to the point, If she is an abuser, she's certainly well aware with whom she is messing.

To answer your question about how I could "tell" from the video. Obviously, I can't. That's why I asked as a question and why I am waiting to see what evidence does come out. But, I will say that she seemed far too "comfortable" (to me); as if she's no stranger to the behavior. I lived it.

My 4' 11 ¾" ex-wife hit me on a regular basis because she knew she was "safe". After her arrest (she pushed into me in front of the cops), the judge basically mocked me in court. Saying he wasn't about to believe she did me any damage (although I still had a black eye). But, again, damage isn't the issue. It's either wrong for either person to hit the other or the instigator has to live with the result (in my book).







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