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Think about the phrase "peace riot" and then get back to us.

Did you mean Pussy Riot? Putin's favorite band, y'all know.

Must not remember the 60's

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Hey I am with Sanity here. I want to go back to the good old days when repub presidents could strike up the old fleet(s) and go to a couple wars for reasons found cut, whole cloth...out if thin air. No peace prizes for them.

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Though it worked for Henry Kissinger.

The rules of the Nobel Peace Prize revolve around preventing nuclear war. That's how you can bomb Cambodia and yet win it.

Bush II set us back, deciding to play Cowboy. Obama won the "horray you're not Bush" prize.

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Hey I am with Sanity here. I want to go back to the good old days when repub presidents could strike up the old fleet(s) and go to a couple wars for reasons found cut, whole cloth...out if thin air. No peace prizes for them.

We all know that the modern day repub presidents are the real pros at going to war, knowing full well that the record of all history including American, is written in blood...somebody elses blood. Hell. might as well make some real money while were at it too.

Wilson. Good Republican. FDR (not that I blame him here, of course): Another Republican. JFK: Ditto.

Now, if you mean really modern, yes, there have been more Republicans around to clean up the appeasement mess left by Dems (Jimmy, even Bill Clinton who didn't eliminate bin Laden when he could have). But as I remember, Billy was real big on Bosnia. Didn't see the Republicans jonesing for that.

In 2017, we'll need another Republican to clean up the mess left by Obama (Strength Through Weakness - real Zen of him).

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This could be a fun exercise for you.

Can you think of ways in which the fabrication of evidence to justify a war might be different from responding to a legitimate request from a government for support against a terrorist group?

I bet you can!

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Wilson didn't go to war until he felt that America was threatened.

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Hey I am with Sanity here. I want to go back to the good old days when repub presidents could strike up the old fleet(s) and go to a couple wars for reasons found cut, whole cloth...out if thin air. No peace prizes for them.

Though it worked for Henry Kissinger.

The rules of the Nobel Peace Prize revolve around preventing nuclear war. That's how you can bomb Cambodia and yet win it.

Bush II set us back, deciding to play Cowboy. Obama won the "horray you're not Bush" prize.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Hey I am with Sanity here. I want to go back to the good old days when repub presidents could strike up the old fleet(s) and go to a couple wars for reasons found cut, whole cloth...out if thin air. No peace prizes for them.

Though it worked for Henry Kissinger.
The rules of the Nobel Peace Prize revolve around preventing nuclear war. That's how you can bomb Cambodia and yet win it.
Bush II set us back, deciding to play Cowboy. Obama won the "horray you're not Bush" prize.

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Hey I am with Sanity here. I want to go back to the good old days when repub presidents could strike up the old fleet(s) and go to a couple wars for reasons found cut, whole cloth...out if thin air. No peace prizes for them.

We all know that the modern day repub presidents are the real pros at going to war, knowing full well that the record of all history including American, is written in blood...somebody elses blood. Hell. might as well make some real money while were at it too.

Wilson. Good Republican. FDR (not that I blame him here, of course): Another Republican. JFK: Ditto.

Now, if you mean really modern, yes, there have been more Republicans around to clean up the appeasement mess left by Dems (Jimmy, even Bill Clinton who didn't eliminate bin Laden when he could have). But as I remember, Billy was real big on Bosnia. Didn't see the Republicans jonesing for that.

In 2017, we'll need another Republican to clean up the mess left by Obama (Strength Through Weakness - real Zen of him).

"Appeasement mess"? Are you referring to Reagan and his dealings with Iran?

Historically, Democrats don't believe in appeasement. However, some Democrats believed that wars should be fought to benefit America, not other countries (or corporations). Wilson didn't go to war until he felt that America was threatened. FDR didn't go to war until America was actually attacked. There was at least an American-centered reason for entering those wars, since we were dealing with countries with the military capability to actually be a danger to us.

So, in cases where there were far-off wars against countries which had no capability of threatening the United States, some people might understandably wonder why we're going to war in such instances.

The justifications for such wars involve entering some kind of Bizarro alternate reality involving "domino theories" and other such specious arguments from people who can't even find their own State on a map.

If there's no good reason for going to war, then there's no good reason. Accusing others of "appeasement" would be putting the cart before the horse, because you still have to establish that there's a good reason for going to war, which no one has actually provided yet.

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Was that when he laid out the initial plans for the 9/11 attack?

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Was that when he laid out the initial plans for the 9/11 attack?

That came later, at Versailles. [;)]

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Hey I am with Sanity here. I want to go back to the good old days when repub presidents could strike up the old fleet(s) and go to a couple wars for reasons found cut, whole cloth...out if thin air. No peace prizes for them.

Though it worked for Henry Kissinger.

The rules of the Nobel Peace Prize revolve around preventing nuclear war. That's how you can bomb Cambodia and yet win it.

Bush II set us back, deciding to play Cowboy. Obama won the "horray you're not Bush" prize.

Well maybe you're right given that among the world's warmongers...preventing nukes was a good thing. I mean really...nuke war is NOT a profit-center. But if true, then every president since Truman should get Nobel Prize.

Reagan surviving...set the country and the neocons back and Perot set the NWO neocons back again. But Clinton played ball and hey...[they] are very patient.