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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 2:11:39 AM

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Think about the phrase "peace riot" and then get back to us.

Did you mean Pussy Riot? Putin's favorite band, y'all know.

Must not remember the 60's

Where I grew up, there were no peace riots, only riot riots.

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 2:34:42 AM

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There was that old saying about " Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity".

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 3:23:17 AM

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Hey I am with Sanity here. I want to go back to the good old days when repub presidents could strike up the old fleet(s) and go to a couple wars for reasons found cut, whole cloth...out if thin air. No peace prizes for them.

Though it worked for Henry Kissinger.

The rules of the Nobel Peace Prize revolve around preventing nuclear war. That's how you can bomb Cambodia and yet win it.

Bush II set us back, deciding to play Cowboy. Obama won the "horray you're not Bush" prize.

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 5:29:18 AM

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Though it worked for Henry Kissinger.

The rules of the Nobel Peace Prize revolve around preventing nuclear war. That's how you can bomb Cambodia and yet win it.

Bush II set us back, deciding to play Cowboy. Obama won the "horray you're not Bush" prize.

Well then you know what I am referring to, and you're only partially playing stupid

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 6:52:16 AM

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But you totally got the stupid part nailed!!!!! You ain't playing, either.

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 7:08:34 AM

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Hey I am with Sanity here. I want to go back to the good old days when repub presidents could strike up the old fleet(s) and go to a couple wars for reasons found cut, whole cloth...out if thin air. No peace prizes for them.

We all know that the modern day repub presidents are the real pros at going to war, knowing full well that the record of all history including American, is written in blood...somebody elses blood. Hell. might as well make some real money while were at it too.

Wilson. Good Republican. FDR (not that I blame him here, of course): Another Republican. JFK: Ditto.

Now, if you mean really modern, yes, there have been more Republicans around to clean up the appeasement mess left by Dems (Jimmy, even Bill Clinton who didn't eliminate bin Laden when he could have). But as I remember, Billy was real big on Bosnia. Didn't see the Republicans jonesing for that.

In 2017, we'll need another Republican to clean up the mess left by Obama (Strength Through Weakness - real Zen of him).

"Appeasement mess"? Are you referring to Reagan and his dealings with Iran?

Historically, Democrats don't believe in appeasement. However, some Democrats believed that wars should be fought to benefit America, not other countries (or corporations). Wilson didn't go to war until he felt that America was threatened. FDR didn't go to war until America was actually attacked. There was at least an American-centered reason for entering those wars, since we were dealing with countries with the military capability to actually be a danger to us.

So, in cases where there were far-off wars against countries which had no capability of threatening the United States, some people might understandably wonder why we're going to war in such instances.

The justifications for such wars involve entering some kind of Bizarro alternate reality involving "domino theories" and other such specious arguments from people who can't even find their own State on a map.

If there's no good reason for going to war, then there's no good reason. Accusing others of "appeasement" would be putting the cart before the horse, because you still have to establish that there's a good reason for going to war, which no one has actually provided yet.

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 8:17:32 AM

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Yeah, wonder how nutsuckers will clean up appeasement messes, since they have no experience and are only creatures of cowardice.

Obama kills OBL. A great number of alQueda upper management.
FDR prosecutes the war thru lend-lease, with republicans in full appeasement cowardice mode.
Obama kills Somalian Pirates who dare take Americans hostage.
Richard Nixon runs from Vietnam, letting it fall to communism.
Charlie Wilson, singlehandedly brings down the Soviet Union from Afghanistan.

GWB singlehandedly brings down America from Iraq.
Dick Cheney singlehandedly shoots his lawyer in the face thru typical nutsucker bumbling ineptitude.

Waltz me thru the stuff you are missing, nutsuckers.

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 8:33:32 AM

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Most everyone I know is tired of endless war. It's dispiriting.

mnottertail: "Dick Cheney singlehandedly shoots his lawyer in the face thru typical nutsucker bumbling ineptitude."

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 9:52:12 AM

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This could be a fun exercise for you.

Can you think of ways in which the fabrication of evidence to justify a war might be different from responding to a legitimate request from a government for support against a terrorist group?

I bet you can!

I'll take that bet. What kind of odds are you giving?

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 10:16:24 AM

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Wilson didn't go to war until he felt that America was threatened.

Quite true. And many Republicans, notably TR, lambasted him for not joining the hostilities sooner.

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 12:08:16 PM

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Hey I am with Sanity here. I want to go back to the good old days when repub presidents could strike up the old fleet(s) and go to a couple wars for reasons found cut, whole cloth...out if thin air. No peace prizes for them.

Though it worked for Henry Kissinger.

The rules of the Nobel Peace Prize revolve around preventing nuclear war. That's how you can bomb Cambodia and yet win it.

Bush II set us back, deciding to play Cowboy. Obama won the "horray you're not Bush" prize.

Well maybe you're right given that among the world's warmongers...preventing nukes was a good thing. I mean really...nuke war is NOT a profit-center. But if true, then every president since Truman should get Nobel Prize.

Reagan surviving...set the country and the neocons back and Perot set the NWO neocons back again. But Clinton played ball and hey...[they] are very patient.

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 1:40:25 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUHsdl74mvM

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 2:06:52 PM

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Hey I am with Sanity here. I want to go back to the good old days when repub presidents could strike up the old fleet(s) and go to a couple wars for reasons found cut, whole cloth...out if thin air. No peace prizes for them.

Though it worked for Henry Kissinger.
The rules of the Nobel Peace Prize revolve around preventing nuclear war. That's how you can bomb Cambodia and yet win it.
Bush II set us back, deciding to play Cowboy. Obama won the "horray you're not Bush" prize.

Almost 7B other people in the world tied him for that, then.

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 2:14:24 PM

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Except for not being elected President, sure.

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 2:33:43 PM

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Ohh, that trims the fat from some of those numbers.

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 2:41:03 PM

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Hey I am with Sanity here. I want to go back to the good old days when repub presidents could strike up the old fleet(s) and go to a couple wars for reasons found cut, whole cloth...out if thin air. No peace prizes for them.

We all know that the modern day repub presidents are the real pros at going to war, knowing full well that the record of all history including American, is written in blood...somebody elses blood. Hell. might as well make some real money while were at it too.

Wilson. Good Republican. FDR (not that I blame him here, of course): Another Republican. JFK: Ditto.

Now, if you mean really modern, yes, there have been more Republicans around to clean up the appeasement mess left by Dems (Jimmy, even Bill Clinton who didn't eliminate bin Laden when he could have). But as I remember, Billy was real big on Bosnia. Didn't see the Republicans jonesing for that.

In 2017, we'll need another Republican to clean up the mess left by Obama (Strength Through Weakness - real Zen of him).

"Appeasement mess"? Are you referring to Reagan and his dealings with Iran?

Historically, Democrats don't believe in appeasement. However, some Democrats believed that wars should be fought to benefit America, not other countries (or corporations). Wilson didn't go to war until he felt that America was threatened. FDR didn't go to war until America was actually attacked. There was at least an American-centered reason for entering those wars, since we were dealing with countries with the military capability to actually be a danger to us.

So, in cases where there were far-off wars against countries which had no capability of threatening the United States, some people might understandably wonder why we're going to war in such instances.

The justifications for such wars involve entering some kind of Bizarro alternate reality involving "domino theories" and other such specious arguments from people who can't even find their own State on a map.

If there's no good reason for going to war, then there's no good reason. Accusing others of "appeasement" would be putting the cart before the horse, because you still have to establish that there's a good reason for going to war, which no one has actually provided yet.

And Wilson's "justifications" were a fabrication (Zimmerman note) and an American ship getting sunk when deliberately going into a war zone. (and almost certainly using the passengers as human shields to transport war supplies)

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 2:45:17 PM

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Was that when he laid out the initial plans for the 9/11 attack?

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 3:13:55 PM

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Was that when he laid out the initial plans for the 9/11 attack?

That came later, at Versailles.

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 8:19:11 PM

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Was that when he laid out the initial plans for the 9/11 attack?

That came later, at Versailles.

Wilson's 11 points at Versailles would have been much better than what they hammered out.

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RE: So where are the peace riots? - 9/25/2014 8:37:06 PM

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Hey I am with Sanity here. I want to go back to the good old days when repub presidents could strike up the old fleet(s) and go to a couple wars for reasons found cut, whole cloth...out if thin air. No peace prizes for them.

Though it worked for Henry Kissinger.

The rules of the Nobel Peace Prize revolve around preventing nuclear war. That's how you can bomb Cambodia and yet win it.

Bush II set us back, deciding to play Cowboy. Obama won the "horray you're not Bush" prize.

Well maybe you're right given that among the world's warmongers...preventing nukes was a good thing. I mean really...nuke war is NOT a profit-center. But if true, then every president since Truman should get Nobel Prize.

Reagan surviving...set the country and the neocons back and Perot set the NWO neocons back again. But Clinton played ball and hey...[they] are very patient.