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slavejlb -> betray of the heart (7/12/2006 2:19:43 AM)
How fickle our hearts are, and how they betray us all, they do not listen to the head and all of it common sense. Instead it leads down path that are fill with danger, and uncertiness. and still we follow it. giving into it wishes. We follow it even though there is a good chance with will get hurt or broken. take care and be safe this nite slave java

SusanofO -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 2:23:38 AM)
Hope everything is okay w/you. If not, please feel free to elaborate. I know some people make silly decisions, and other people can sometimes lead them astray.If you've recently been hurt, my heart goes out to you. But, new relationships can sometimes be exciting, too, can they not? - that is, following one's heart. I know common sense comes into play in making relationship decisions (and I use it), but if it's a contest, I will use my heart (and my intuition) most often when making that kind of a decision (but maybe intuition is using one's head). It's late and I am getting confused.... - Susan

slavejlb -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 2:31:27 AM)
Thank you I wrote that because my heart is leading down a path, i am uncertain of, and right now i head and heart are in a tug a war. to where even cold showers are not helping, the funny thing this does not even have anything to with sex, or the physically being. it has to do with waking of feeling that i thought had died. take care and be safe slave java

SusanofO -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 2:35:58 AM)
Yah, I know the feeling (maybe not exactly, but similar). I get the feeling about every 3 days lately, that I should just cut bait (bad word to use as I truly am not seeking anything yet) and jump into a trying new relationship when I know for a fact I am not ready yet. But my situation is completley different then yours. Still, it's a tug of war, of sorts. I feel like I am fighting myself on an almost daily basis sometimes (I am seeing a counsellor, and it's helping - a little). Good luck and God bless. - Susan

DoctorDubious -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 2:42:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavejlb How fickle our hearts are, and how they betray us all, they do not listen to the head and all of it common sense. Instead it leads down path that are fill with danger, and uncertiness. and still we follow it. giving into it wishes. We follow it even though there is a good chance with will get hurt or broken. take care and be safe this nite slave java Hi java... and all.... I've drank an ocean of Java, and still I procrastinate this work that needs to go to Atlanta in the morning... so java it seems to be tonight.... >>How fickle our hearts are, and how they betray us all, they do not listen to the head and all of it common sense. We're all different, and we walk different paths, yet, for me, it's the head, with it's whispered fears, it's imagined threats, remembered slights, sly delusions of grandeur, judgements, and dubious evaluations that is the greater danger. The unexpressed, barely sense-able wisdom of the heart is not fickle, because it's brave and fierce and loving and wild amd free. >>Instead it leads down path that are fill with danger, and uncertiness Who says danger is bad? Who says uncertainty is less good than smug knowledge? Not me. Sitting on the sofa watching American Idol is safe, pretty certain, unlikely to lead to a happy life, and very likely not to make the world a better place. >>We follow it even though there is a good chance with will get hurt or broken. Leonard Cohen says... "the cracks are there to let the light in". ************ slavejlb, I've heard it said that pain is an illusion, and something about what you write makes me sense that your pain is no illusion. If the pain I sometimes feel is an illusion, its a good one.... I don't mean to be unkind by putting your words in red and writing about them.... Ferocity and passion may ... just may be a way of kindness too.... perhaps... DD, an old goat with a big full head, and a quiet heart that points his way more true....

slavejlb -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 2:44:11 AM)
at times i think all my problems would be slove if i just shoot him. but then with my luck he probley come back and hunt me, beside i dont belive in guns. at times it is a pain to be a pacifist

SusanofO -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 2:51:58 AM)
Well, don't shoot anyone! If someone is toying with you, and you don't think it's good for you, maybe try to cut them off?. I am the worst advice giver in this realm - half the time, especially lately, I cannot even seem to follow my own advice. But know there is someone out ther who wishes you the best. - Susan

DoctorDubious -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 2:55:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SusanofO Yah, I know the feeling (maybe not exactly, but similar). I get the feeling about every 3 days lately, that I should just cut bait (bad word to use as I truly am not seeking anything yet) and jump into a trying new relationship when I know for a fact I am not ready yet. But my situation is completley different then yours. Still, it's a tug of war, of sorts. I feel like I am fighting myself on an almost daily basis sometimes (I am seeing a counsellor, and it's helping - a little). Good luck and God bless. - Susan Hey Susan, You're a bright woman, with wounds that need to heal, and a life that needs to find some ground... >>and jump into a trying new relationship when I know for a fact I am not ready yet. *Spending time on sites like this* makes it sound like everybody's getting wild, exotic love but me....and you... T'aint so, yaknow. You see that part I underlined...."when I know for a fact..." ... seems like good advice from a knowledgable source, perhaps even the world-expert on Susan... DD PS... on a lighter note, it is true that you are the only one of us who fights herself almost daily. We all have it together. Really. Cross my heart.... I was a psychologist. I otta know.

bandit25 -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 3:11:09 AM)
Susan, Most of us fight ourselves daily. Don't do anything you're not ready for. Trust me...I've been in your situation. You'll know when the time is right. You won't fight yourself any longer. jib...I don't know what's going on with you. Just a couple of threads ago, you were talking about being too old for this. Don't shoot...sit down and figure out what the hell you want.

shivvy -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 3:25:27 AM)
i find myself reading threats like this, and just find myself feeling increadibly sad.[:(] please don't do nuffin silly, coz although stuff might seem really really bad at the minute, things can get betta. as somebody really famous once said, "when you're at rock bottom, the only way is up" please take care java... and you susan all my luv and best wishes shiv xx

meatcleaver -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 4:28:44 AM)
Is it our hearts or another piece of our anatomy, with men I think it largely the alternative and we are unable or unwilling to differentiate.

SusanofO -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 4:33:00 AM)
Thank you, Doctor Dubious. I appreciate your support. - Susan

twicehappy -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 6:32:57 AM)
If anyone makes you think about shooting them that is someone you do not need to and should not be around period.

slavejlb -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 8:06:25 AM)
Hello Doctor: No i am not bother by the red, for in your own way you are expressing feeling, and emontions, Think you for your kindness, and well writen words, take care and be safe slave java ps many of people drink lots of me, and for what my father was Java was probley the safest, name he could have thought of

IronBear -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 8:25:38 AM)
Following the Heart is not always good. the heart lies. Following the Head is not always good for the head over processes information and logic rarely is accurate in in human relationships. Following a Gut Feeling usually defies all logic and usually brings you home safe and sound..

slavejlb -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 9:36:19 AM)
Hello at times i do feel older then my years, is bdsm for the young yes they about the only ones who have the strenght and the stamina for it. and just for those who don't know i am true meanign of pacifist but you have to admit at least once or twice in your lives someone has frustrated you so much be it little brother or sister, or husband, wife that you picture your hands around their throats. and poof they are gone. lastly the person i was making referance to is my ex-master, i trying to keep our realtionship as friends, where it is safe and secure, and he is trying to advance it back to where it was. I hope this has giving you some insight, i am going to hurt or kill him, no i dont think i make a good bitch on the inside, beside i am claustrophobic, and they probley would not let me read my Gorean books. take care and be safe slave java

juliaoceania -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 9:53:33 AM)
Jib, I have read many many posts from you that make me think perhaps you might be suffering from depression. I am not qualified to diagnose anyone mind you,, Im not a doctor nor a shrink and no one can diagnose another on a message board, and you very well might not be depressed, but from everything I have read from you I tend to think you might be. If you are depressed there is help for you to help you feel better about life and the world you are in. It takes a lot of faith to trust in life. It takes a lot of faith in yourself to take a risk in which you may be hurt. Even if you trust someone wrongly you have to believe in your ability to bounce back in adversity. You obviously have faced other hurts, rejections, heartbreak and you are still here on planet Earth plugging along, so I am guessing that you have that ability to move on past pain.. You just have to believe you do. The vast majority of us have faced these things if we have lived a little while. I hope you find that inner strength that has helped you move past these adversities and into the future. No guts no glory.. you have to take risks in life sometimes because without doing so you just stay in the same place. I really hope you find your answers Jib, and that the fear and pain and feeling of being down are replaced with joy in your life very soon. If you think that your sadness is unbearable I hope you go to see someone about it.. because it DOESN'T have to be that way, and depression can be treated as it is a real disease... even situational depression can change your brain chemistry.. Good luck.

Flame73 -> RE: betray of the heart (7/12/2006 10:02:08 AM)
I have to agree with Ironbear. When your gut says it's wrong, it probably is. So My best advise is listen to the little voice inside, if you hear "danger", then the safest thing is to back away slowly. I know there's an inherent risk in any relationship, but sometimes it's very obvious early on that the risk isn't worth the pain. When you have to rationalize the "putting up with" mentality more often than not, then it's never going to improve. You can't make a leopard change it's spots just like you can't make a person who mistreats stop the cycle of behavior. Some tiny annoyance are worth overlooking, but if it becomes a situation of more woe than joy, it's time to move on. ~S~

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