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ok there are air guns in the power range of .22lr round like this but are them sold at the toy department of walmart?
I don't know how it works there, as it seems in some part of usa they give .22lr carabines to 5 year olds as birthday present, but I suppose those air guns sold in toy department are under the 7.5 joules limit.

No the pellet rifles sold here are not sold as toys, for example Walmart has them in the sporting goods, (outdoor, camping, etc) section and carefully delineated from toys. They are kept in boxes near the firearms section. They even put the bb guns there.

heres another one same store same day..

You aren't the guy who made the 911 call are you, because from your description I expected to see something much different.

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FR for the off topic discussion

ok there are air guns in the power range of .22lr round like this but are them sold at the toy department of walmart?
I don't know how it works there, as it seems in some part of usa they give .22lr carabines to 5 year olds as birthday present, but I suppose those air guns sold in toy department are under the 7.5 joules limit.

No the pellet rifles sold here are not sold as toys, for example Walmart has them in the sporting goods, (outdoor, camping, etc) section and carefully delineated from toys. They are kept in boxes near the firearms section. They even put the bb guns there.

i took this picture in a walmart one week after the shooting

I haven't told you what they do with them there.
What your Walmart does has little bearing to what mine does.
And all of them in your pictures each pellet rifle has a box, in fact none are just lying there without a box, so he should have had the box to carry it in.

There were many mistakes made that day and someone paid a heavy toll for those mistakes. Yet, the person that paid that toll, made the greatest number and depth of those mistakes. We can sit here and argue the fine points; splitting hairs to our heart's content. The fact remains that events and mistakes drove events to the outcome that took place. In my state, there is a ban on ANYTHING that looks like a firearm in a 'brick and mortar' store; unless its an actual firearm dealer. And those dealers are VERY careful on who is allowed to touch the product. In other states, the practice is allowed. Maybe we should count ourselves lucky its taken this long to have this sort of incident play out due to not considering possible outcomes with bad or ineffective firearm coverage. Stuff like this has placed liability in Wal-Mart's hands. And who wouldn't want to sue a business that makes tens of billions in a year when you have the company dead to rights?

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For fuck's sake.

The person who pulled the trigger has to take the blame. Was it first degree murder? No. Was it a culpable homicide, fuck yes.

I am completely at a loss that responsible gun owners aren't expecting the shooter to take responsibility. I cannot imagine that any responsible hunter would take a shot simply on the say so of a spotter.

In the UK, if someone is engaged to cull deer (one of the few purposes for which a high velocity rifle license will be granted), they'll be told in some detail which animals they are to take. Typically they'll stalk with a spotter who will help to identify targets. If the spotter identifies a hind with calf, and the shooter shoots, guess whose fault it is?

In Kosovo - a conflict where at times live rounds were popping, the green card made it absolutely clear - You identify the target, establish the threat and then you get to fire (after politely asking them to desist). It didn't matter a fuck if 14 locals assured you that the grinning moustachioed fucker standing on the balcony had just been sending rounds into a kiddies playground - If you didn't see him holding his weapon pointing it at the little'uns you were not allowed to shoot. It didn't help that the UN forces were so easily spotted, because it was absolutely fucking for sure that laughing boy had just popped his weapon behind the curtain, but that didn't matter - the green card ruled.

This is basic, basic fucking stuff, and I cannot fathom why the people who know about firearms aren't making this point.

Genuine question for the hunters... If you take out game that is out of season on the word of your spotter, who is responsible, you or the spotter?

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I do know what a spotters job is. I also know that the shooter has the responsibility to make the call. By and large, the spotter's job in practice seems to be to smoke endlessly and make lewd remarks about the local girls.

I also note that you've completely missed my point.

Let me make it simple for you.

Imagine you're not allowed to shoot circles, you're only allowed to shoot triangles.

Your pal shouts, "Hey! Triangle at 2!"

You turn, aim, and fire.

If it turns out to be a circle... whose fault is it?

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Your whole post collapses on one point, Walmart is a firearms dealer.

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I do know what a spotters job is. I also know that the shooter has the responsibility to make the call. By and large, the spotter's job in practice seems to be to smoke endlessly and make lewd remarks about the local girls.

I also note that you've completely missed my point.

Let me make it simple for you.

Imagine you're not allowed to shoot circles, you're only allowed to shoot triangles.

Your pal shouts, "Hey! Triangle at 2!"

You turn, aim, and fire.

If it turns out to be a circle... whose fault is it?

Let's male this simple. I fully understand your point. Like most gunaphobs you assume that failure to agree with you equals lack of comprehension. You go into a situation with a crazy person waving a loaded gun around aiming at children. How long a conversation do you have with said crazy person.

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I do know what a spotters job is. I also know that the shooter has the responsibility to make the call. By and large, the spotter's job in practice seems to be to smoke endlessly and make lewd remarks about the local girls.

I also note that you've completely missed my point.

Let me make it simple for you.

Imagine you're not allowed to shoot circles, you're only allowed to shoot triangles.

Your pal shouts, "Hey! Triangle at 2!"

You turn, aim, and fire.

If it turns out to be a circle... whose fault is it?

Let's male this simple. I fully understand your point. Like most gunaphobs you assume that failure to agree with you equals lack of comprehension. You go into a situation with a crazy person waving a loaded gun around aiming at children. How long a conversation do you have with said crazy person.

How do you know they are crazy? Can you look at someone and give a full medical diagnosis (I.e. physical, mental, emotional) within five seconds? That is what your arguing the police should be able to perform. I hate to break it to you, but reality is very different.

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wtf is wrong with you...seriously....if these guns look secured to you then you dont have the brains to own one..and the one in the video was obviously just laying loose on the shelf..but for some reason only known by you that you want to continue to argue...you are one of the most pathetic excuses of a human being ive had the displeasure of encountering on the net.......

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Let's male this simple. I fully understand your point. Like most gunaphobs you assume that failure to agree with you equals lack of comprehension. You go into a situation with a crazy person waving a loaded gun around aiming at children. How long a conversation do you have with said crazy person.