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Sanity -> Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 1:47:15 PM)
Millions were forced out of their existing plans for this? quote: For Many New Medicaid Enrollees, Care Is Hard to Find, Report Says WASHINGTON — Enrollment in Medicaid is surging as a result of the Affordable Care Act, but the Obama administration and state officials have done little to ensure that new beneficiaries have access to doctors after they get their Medicaid cards, federal investigators say in a new report. The report, to be issued this week by the inspector general at the Department of Health and Human Services, says state standards for access to care vary widely and are rarely enforced. As a result, it says, Medicaid patients often find that they must wait for months or travel long distances to see a doctor. Far right wing source

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:08:30 PM)
Because you lot can't understand that to switch from insurance-based (profiteering) healthcare to a general state-paid healthcare system requires a complete switch. Most of what Obama wanted got thrown out by the other side and you ended up with a hotch-potch mish-mash of the two systems. I commented on this months ago in another thread... a disaster waiting to happen.

RottenJohnny -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:27:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Because you lot can't understand that to switch from insurance-based (profiteering) healthcare to a general state-paid healthcare system requires a complete switch. Most of what Obama wanted got thrown out by the other side and you ended up with a hotch-potch mish-mash of the two systems. I commented on this months ago in another thread... a disaster waiting to happen. We understand it. We just don't want it.

Phoenixpower -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:30:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Because you lot can't understand that to switch from insurance-based (profiteering) healthcare to a general state-paid healthcare system requires a complete switch. Most of what Obama wanted got thrown out by the other side and you ended up with a hotch-potch mish-mash of the two systems. I commented on this months ago in another thread... a disaster waiting to happen. Well said...

Sanity -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:30:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Because you lot can't understand that to switch from insurance-based (profiteering) healthcare to a general state-paid healthcare system requires a complete switch. Most of what Obama wanted got thrown out by the other side and you ended up with a hotch-potch mish-mash of the two systems. I commented on this months ago in another thread... a disaster waiting to happen. Healthcare providers aren't slaves, they fully deserve to profit from their labor. And Obama and his sycophants got everything they wanted, the Dems had full control at the time.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:31:14 PM)
then quit bitchin about the cost of it!! [:D] For those that can afford it, I'm sure it's fine and dandy. But for the millions that can't - they are left with nothing!!! People are dying from lack of sensible/affordable healthcare. That ain't good in anyone's books... not for a first-world nation.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:33:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Healthcare providers aren't slaves, they fully deserve to profit from their labor. And Obama got everything he wanted, the Dems had full control at the time. You don't have to profit from the ailments of others that are not in full health. The state/government can cover cost. There doesn't need to be profit. And no, the Dems lost more than 80% of what they wanted and it got replaced by another 11,000+ page addition of everything they didn't want! Even I know that and I don't fuckin live there. [8\|]

Phoenixpower -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:36:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Because you lot can't understand that to switch from insurance-based (profiteering) healthcare to a general state-paid healthcare system requires a complete switch. Most of what Obama wanted got thrown out by the other side and you ended up with a hotch-potch mish-mash of the two systems. I commented on this months ago in another thread... a disaster waiting to happen. Healthcare providers aren't slaves, they fully deserve to profit from their labor. Yep, and a fair amount of americans, who are quadriplegic or have had a fair amount of awful health issues in their previous years (like cancer) "deserve" not to be able to live in the United states, as they fear not being able to afford health insurance in the UK due to their health....sounds "great" to me.... In case its not being understood...that just was sarcasm....I am just glad that we have healthcare over here, which will never put us at risk to end up bankrupt or losing the roof over our head...but when you prefer such threats...then hey...it will be all yours again if you are lucky [8\|] Besides...healthcare providers deserve to get paid for the job they are doing...they dont "deserve" making masses of profits...but thats just me...

Sanity -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:38:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Healthcare providers aren't slaves, they fully deserve to profit from their labor. And Obama got everything he wanted, the Dems had full control at the time. You don't have to profit from the ailments of others that are not in full health. The sate/government can cover cost. There doesn't need to be profit. What shouldnt taxpayers provide for bums and other assorted freeloaders then Should anyone have to work at all under your grand pollyanna scheme Seriously, given the premise of your insane argument why should anyone have to buy food, clothing, or anything else

RottenJohnny -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:41:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 then quit bitchin about the cost of it!! [:D] I don't bitch about the cost of it. I pay cash and it's usually cheaper that way. That was, until someone decided I had pay for insurance for everyone else.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:43:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Healthcare providers aren't slaves, they fully deserve to profit from their labor. And Obama got everything he wanted, the Dems had full control at the time. You don't have to profit from the ailments of others that are not in full health. The sate/government can cover cost. There doesn't need to be profit. What shouldnt taxpayers provide for bums and other assorted freeloaders then Should anyone have to work at all under your grand pollyanna scheme Seriously, given the premise of your insane argument why should anyone have to buy food, clothing, or anything else Look at all the other and varied general systems in the world. Most are better than you have to offer if you are not rich enough to afford decent healthcare. It smacks of "*Fuck you Jack, I'm Ok*". Wait until you are not longer able to afford it or you have a recurring problem that your insurance doesn't cover. Then tell me it's all fine and dandy. Utter selfishness. Pure and simple.

Sanity -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:44:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower Yep, and a fair amount of americans, who are quadriplegic or have had a fair amount of awful health issues in their previous years (like cancer) "deserve" not to be able to live in the United states, as they fear not being able to afford health insurance in the UK due to their health....sounds "great" to me.... In case its not being understood...that just was sarcasm....I am just glad that we have healthcare over here, which will never put us at risk to end up bankrupt or losing the roof over our head...but when you prefer such threats...then hey...it will be all yours again if you are lucky [8\|] Besides...healthcare providers deserve to get paid for the job they are doing...they dont "deserve" making masses of profits...but thats just me... Try again, those truly in need already had Medicare and Medicaid in the USA Taxpayers shouldnt have provide for the able bodied It boils down to this, politicians use the treasury to purchase elections and thats wrong

Sanity -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:45:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Healthcare providers aren't slaves, they fully deserve to profit from their labor. And Obama got everything he wanted, the Dems had full control at the time. You don't have to profit from the ailments of others that are not in full health. The sate/government can cover cost. There doesn't need to be profit. What shouldnt taxpayers provide for bums and other assorted freeloaders then Should anyone have to work at all under your grand pollyanna scheme Seriously, given the premise of your insane argument why should anyone have to buy food, clothing, or anything else Look at all the other and varied general systems in the world. Most are better than you have to offer if you are not rich enough to afford decent healthcare. It smacks of "*Fuck you Jack, I'm Ok*". Wait until you are not longer able to afford it or you have a recurring problem that your insurance doesn't cover. Then tell me it's all fine and dandy. Utter selfishness. Pure and simple. Even if "free" healthcare were a "right" Obamacare is just a massive fuckup

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:46:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 then quit bitchin about the cost of it!! [:D] I don't bitch about the cost of it. I pay cash and it's usually cheaper that way. That was, until someone decided I had pay for insurance for everyone else. Do you pay more than 8% of your net income for complete and full healthcare cover?? And get that same cover if you happen to fall out of work or get sick? I'm willing to bet you pay a shitload more than that for not such good healthcare. Single-payer systems, every single one of them around the world, are cheaper than individual insurance-based healthcare. Do your own research and check the figures.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:48:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Even if "free" healthcare were a "right" Obamacare is just a massive fuckup Yes. Because it got beaten down to a smidge of what was asked for by the repubs who can't see beyond the end of their nose.

Sanity -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:48:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 then quit bitchin about the cost of it!! [:D] I don't bitch about the cost of it. I pay cash and it's usually cheaper that way. That was, until someone decided I had pay for insurance for everyone else. Leftists dont get that Of course its still paid for, with the added cost of a layer of stupid, lazy fat assed government bureaucrats whose job it is to rule over our lives

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 2:52:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Try again, those truly in need already had Medicare and Medicaid in the USA Taxpayers shouldnt have provide for the able bodied It boils down to this, politicians use the treasury to purchase elections and thats wrong Medicare and Medicaid don't appear to be as comprehensive as our NHS or any of the other single-payer systems. We have veteran in NC who is on one of those (can't remember which one) and he's forever bitchin about the long waits and bad service. The only good thing he has to say about it is his meds are paid for.

RottenJohnny -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 3:40:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 then quit bitchin about the cost of it!! [:D] I don't bitch about the cost of it. I pay cash and it's usually cheaper that way. That was, until someone decided I had pay for insurance for everyone else. Do you pay more than 8% of your net income for complete and full healthcare cover?? And get that same cover if you happen to fall out of work or get sick? I'm willing to bet you pay a shitload more than that for not such good healthcare. Single-payer systems, every single one of them around the world, are cheaper than individual insurance-based healthcare. Do your own research and check the figures. It just so happens that earlier this summer I spent a night in the hospital because of severe dehydration. Obviously, the question of whether or not I had insurance eventually came up. I answered "no" and the person asking the question went on with their business. Because of the symptoms I had, my stay included x-rays, blood draws, medication, and intraveinous fluids. The bill I eventually received was $3500.00 but the hospital offered to reduce it to $2000.00 (almost 50% off) if I payed in full within 30 days, which I did. Before that, the last time I was in a hospital was 6 years ago. Since I make too much money to qualify for subsidies, the cheapest healthcare plan I can find is about $225.00 per month. If I had been paying that for those 6 years I would have spent over $16,000.00 for absolutely nothing. So, from my point of view, I saved around $14,000.00. The majority of which has been collecting interest in a retirement account that I can access if I have a more serious medical bill later on. I'm self-employed so my income goes up and down all the time. But in an average year I'd say I net about $40,000. If 8% of 40k is 3.2k then, no, I don't spend more than 8% of my net and the hospital does whatever I ask. Now, you can throw all kinds of numbers around about all kinds of hypothetical situations but apparently I'm spending less than everyone else using insurance and the only people getting paid are the ones supplying the services.

MrRodgers -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 4:24:18 PM)
ObamaCare CAN'T be a failure and will never be a failure. It is now and was always meant to be a windfall for the medical insurance industry and providers of which there is a finely regulated, very profitable shortage. It is merely a mandate that those that wouldn't otherwise but medical insurance, i.e., the young and healthy...now must buy it. Oh yea, gee, there are actually some people in America that can't afford to buy health insurance whether they want it or not but unless they are actually poor enough for medicaid...then buck up MoFo, PAY the piper. What's that...you're going to have to choose between health insurance and say food or rent ? Ok, then the feds will help you out for you MUST participate in the new Insurance & Medical Services Welfare for-profit ACT called...ObamaCare. You are mandated to be a health care profit center...or else. Get a grip kinkroids, when will you learn ? This is America, where everything is...all about money.

MrRodgers -> RE: Another Huge Obamacare Fail (9/27/2014 4:44:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Because you lot can't understand that to switch from insurance-based (profiteering) healthcare to a general state-paid healthcare system requires a complete switch. Most of what Obama wanted got thrown out by the other side and you ended up with a hotch-potch mish-mash of the two systems. I commented on this months ago in another thread... a disaster waiting to happen. Healthcare providers aren't slaves, they fully deserve to profit from their labor. And Obama and his sycophants got everything they wanted, the Dems had full control at the time. Little could be further from the truth. The first plan was medicare for all, this plan (ACA) is the same as the repubs put out in the 1990's to counter Hillary Care. Now if it was a repub plan, yes...it would have been much worse. ALL retail prices and maybe another $30-$40 trillion dollar unfunded liability. (like Med. Part D) Now that's what I call making some fucking money off (repub) welfare...my kinda welfare. The dems actually got very little of what they wanted while the health insurance indust. and medical services indust....got what they wanted. MORE Profits !! As for health care slaves. Every doctor I've met feels entitled to be a multi-millionaire. Far too many fleece medicare and otherwise profit very nicely from the insurance industry that can fix prices and raise deductibles. America has working poor, these poor buy insurance and in serious cases can still go medically bankrupt. Other western nations provide care, make a profit and have ZERO medical bankruptcies. Gee, I wonder why ?

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