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Article 1 section 8 - 9/27/2014 10:39:39 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		Does the Constitution not apply to Barack Obama, or did I miss an amendment somewhere along the line that gives the President the power to declare war?

Will the same answers be in play when a Republican is elected to the White House, and has to wage the war President Obama decided to start, and has said will be going on for years?

Discuss.



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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/27/2014 10:47:31 PM   
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The last time Congress declared war was on June 4, 1942--against Romania.

https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm

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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/27/2014 11:29:22 PM   
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Interesting historical background:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/all-the-previous-declarations-of-war/279246/

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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 12:51:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well if congress wants their say on this business with ISIS, they can quit their childish games, man up, and do the dirty. Otherwise they have no call to complain if President Obama deals with a threat to national security by executive order, since the rest of the government is effectively defunct.

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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 1:59:08 AM   
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Congress chose to recess rather than debate and vote to authorize this action that says to me they know who has the authority and it ain't them.

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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 6:57:24 AM   
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Classic, the President is not going to war -- you don't like it. He is going to war -- you still don't like it.

The other comical thing here, you want Congress to lead.

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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 7:03:36 AM   
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Classic, the President is not going to war -- you don't like it. He is going to war -- you still don't like it.

The other comical thing here, you want Congress to lead.


He is quoting the Constitution

Its the Constitution that wants Congress to lead

When Republicans are in charge, leftists say things like that matter

I suppose I should add, whats comical is how you claim hypocrisy on the part of Conservatives about the peace prize president leading the world into war is comical, and even after having your face shoved in it many times and having your sorry ass booted out the door you keep going back to shit on that same rug







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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 7:39:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Classic, the President is not going to war -- you don't like it. He is going to war -- you still don't like it.

The other comical thing here, you want Congress to lead.


He is quoting the Constitution

Its the Constitution that wants Congress to lead

When Republicans are in charge, leftists say things like that matter

I suppose I should add, whats comical is how you claim hypocrisy on the part of Conservatives about the peace prize president leading the world into war is comical, and even after having your face shoved in it many times and having your sorry ass booted out the door you keep going back to shit on that same rug




Sanity, why don't you go back on over to the salute thread, and take your shitbag buddy with you.


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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 7:47:01 AM   
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Interesting historical background:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/all-the-previous-declarations-of-war/279246/



That's an excellent short read, DC. Thanks for adding it to the thread.

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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 8:06:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Does the Constitution not apply to Barack Obama, or did I miss an amendment somewhere along the line that gives the President the power to declare war?
Will the same answers be in play when a Republican is elected to the White House, and has to wage the war President Obama decided to start, and has said will be going on for years?
Discuss.


Has Congress authorized him to use the military against ISIS? He can start use of the military, but needs to have Congressional approval to continue it past 90 days.

Well, that's according to the War Powers Act. But, I don't think he has the authority to send the military in according to the War Powers Act because the requirements haven't been met.


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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 10:02:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Classic, the President is not going to war -- you don't like it. He is going to war -- you still don't like it.

The other comical thing here, you want Congress to lead.


He is quoting the Constitution

Its the Constitution that wants Congress to lead

When Republicans are in charge, leftists say things like that matter

I suppose I should add, whats comical is how you claim hypocrisy on the part of Conservatives about the peace prize president leading the world into war is comical, and even after having your face shoved in it many times and having your sorry ass booted out the door you keep going back to shit on that same rug




Sanity, why don't you go back on over to the salute thread, and take your shitbag buddy with you.



Suck my ass you drunk little bitch

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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 10:05:08 AM   
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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 11:09:11 AM   
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Oh EM GEE The pheasants are revolving


Here, budgie, budgie, budgie!

Pheasants, Lucy? Pheasants? lol


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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 11:11:40 AM   
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AND revolving...
kinda a malapropism of "The peasants are revolting...."

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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 1:48:06 PM   
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the war President Obama decided to start


Just snorted coffee up my nose.

Thanks for the Sunday comedy!


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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 2:59:32 PM   
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Well if congress wants their say on this business with ISIS, they can quit their childish games, man up, and do the dirty. Otherwise they have no call to complain if President Obama deals with a threat to national security by executive order, since the rest of the government is effectively defunct.


What threat to national security do these punks at isis pose to the u.s.?

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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 3:03:03 PM   
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I suppose I should add, whats comical is how you claim hypocrisy on the part of Conservatives about the peace prize president leading the world into war is comical,


Teddy roosevelt won the peace prize and he was a warmonger like your buddy with the big ears.


and even after having your face shoved in it many times and having your sorry ass booted out the door you keep going back to shit on that same rug

Well it is your rug.






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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 3:08:10 PM   
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Teddy roosevelt won the peace prize and he was a warmonger like your buddy with the big ears.

I'm not sure TR counts as a conservative, though.

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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 3:13:55 PM   
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Does the Constitution not apply to Barack Obama, or did I miss an amendment somewhere along the line that gives the President the power to declare war?

Dick the dumb things you say.


That's an excellent short read, DC. Thanks for adding it to the thread.

Did you read this part?

According to a 1995 article in the American Journal of International Law, "Presidents and their advisers point to more than two hundred incidents in which Presidents have used force abroad without first obtaining congressional approval."

So it would appear that once again you have both feet in your mouth and your head up your ass.

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RE: Article 1 section 8 - 9/28/2014 3:15:37 PM   
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Teddy roosevelt won the peace prize and he was a warmonger like your buddy with the big ears.

I'm not sure TR counts as a conservative, though.


Wern't he and taft both republicrats?

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