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subrosaDom -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 4:56:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

Ok....so let's change it a little bit and for the sake of physical mobility and hygiene, the slave is confined to a bedroom/bathroom setup? What if the primary focus of the confinement isn't so much physical....but mental....meaning letting them have a physically comfortable room and bathroom....but no contact with anybody or any mental stimulation? No TV, music, radio, news of the outside world, reading material....and limited contact with the captor? (Just to get fed and be asked if they are well)

Would this have the same effect as a cage with limited mobility except for bathroom breaks?


Ask the inmates at the Supermax prison in Colorado. Of course, the conditions are less comfortable, but isolation of that sort basically makes one go insane over time. It's still abuse.

Now, for a day or two, sure. A month, with reading material and music? Maybe. Utter deprivation for more than a few hours? No.




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 4:57:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

That's a great idea, if one's ambition is to be the next Ariel Castro.

For those of us who are sane, such a destruction of spiritual, psychological, physical and intellectual health is neither what the doctor nor the Master should order.



Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, hey!

Now, I am all for the unbolded part of that, but I'm not sure I want to be a member of the bolded part. I mean, most members of government are supposed to be the picture of mental health, so count me out.

Jus sayin




smileforme50 -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 5:33:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

Ok....so let's change it a little bit and for the sake of physical mobility and hygiene, the slave is confined to a bedroom/bathroom setup? What if the primary focus of the confinement isn't so much physical....but mental....meaning letting them have a physically comfortable room and bathroom....but no contact with anybody or any mental stimulation? No TV, music, radio, news of the outside world, reading material....and limited contact with the captor? (Just to get fed and be asked if they are well)

Would this have the same effect as a cage with limited mobility except for bathroom breaks?


Again, it is building a total dependency on the D... brain washing, same result, longer time frame.

An hour of total sensory deprivation can have the same effect, in a well controlled scene, but it won't be a lasting "dependency". It'll wear off as reality settles in and the /s recovers. The nature of the scene will dictate the impact you have on the /s... trust, dependency, terror, etc... the mind is easy to fuck with, real easy to damage, and should always be handled with great care.


hmm....dummy me...I hadn't really consider this in relation to total sensory deprivation.




smileforme50 -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 5:35:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


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ORIGINAL: bowedbeforeyou

Pretty good collection of comments.
Attempting to deprive a sub or slave of the ability to function independently in the absence of the Dom is not training but the infliction of injury. This so-called Dom needs to be constrained in his own cage.


It's possible that he was, and is using this as sadistic catharsis.

Jus sayin


Sadistic catharsis? Please explain......




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 5:36:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


quote:

ORIGINAL: smileforme50

Ok....so let's change it a little bit and for the sake of physical mobility and hygiene, the slave is confined to a bedroom/bathroom setup? What if the primary focus of the confinement isn't so much physical....but mental....meaning letting them have a physically comfortable room and bathroom....but no contact with anybody or any mental stimulation? No TV, music, radio, news of the outside world, reading material....and limited contact with the captor? (Just to get fed and be asked if they are well)

Would this have the same effect as a cage with limited mobility except for bathroom breaks?


Again, it is building a total dependency on the D... brain washing, same result, longer time frame.

An hour of total sensory deprivation can have the same effect, in a well controlled scene, but it won't be a lasting "dependency". It'll wear off as reality settles in and the /s recovers. The nature of the scene will dictate the impact you have on the /s... trust, dependency, terror, etc... the mind is easy to fuck with, real easy to damage, and should always be handled with great care.


hmm....dummy me...I hadn't really consider this in relation to total sensory deprivation.



Hey! I don't recall ever giving you the permission to use the dummy card. Silly bitch is the limit, line is drawn, don't make me cage you!

Jus sayin




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 5:39:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50


quote:

ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


quote:

ORIGINAL: bowedbeforeyou

Pretty good collection of comments.
Attempting to deprive a sub or slave of the ability to function independently in the absence of the Dom is not training but the infliction of injury. This so-called Dom needs to be constrained in his own cage.


It's possible that he was, and is using this as sadistic catharsis.

Jus sayin


Sadistic catharsis? Please explain......



Sometimes when the psyche is fractured, the victim will seek a means of catharsis because other methods fail. Sadistic catharsis would be a fractured psyche... a broken person, subjecting another, an innocent to the very situation that damaged them. They go from victim to all powerful GOD by switching the role. Sadistic catharsis is sociopathic behavior, happens a lot, we only hear about the extremely horrific cases though and it does not stop until the sadist is stopped.





smileforme50 -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 5:40:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

hmm....dummy me...I hadn't really consider this in relation to total sensory deprivation.



Hey! I don't recall ever giving you the permission to use the dummy card. Silly bitch is the limit, line is drawn, don't make me cage you!

Jus sayin


Ok...ok.....silly bitch me....I hadn't really considered this in relation to total sensory deprivation.

Better? [sm=angel.gif]




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 5:43:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

hmm....dummy me...I hadn't really consider this in relation to total sensory deprivation.



Hey! I don't recall ever giving you the permission to use the dummy card. Silly bitch is the limit, line is drawn, don't make me cage you!

Jus sayin


Ok...ok.....silly bitch me....I hadn't really considered this in relation to total sensory deprivation.

Better? [sm=angel.gif]



Good girl xoxoxoxo you're far to smart to be allowed access to the dummy card.




subrosaDom -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 5:55:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

That's a great idea, if one's ambition is to be the next Ariel Castro.

For those of us who are sane, such a destruction of spiritual, psychological, physical and intellectual health is neither what the doctor nor the Master should order.



Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, hey!

Now, I am all for the unbolded part of that, but I'm not sure I want to be a member of the bolded part. I mean, most members of government are supposed to be the picture of mental health, so count me out.

Jus sayin


According to whom are most members of government supposed to be the picture of mental health? Government psychiatrists?[:D]




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 6:10:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom


quote:

ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

That's a great idea, if one's ambition is to be the next Ariel Castro.

For those of us who are sane, such a destruction of spiritual, psychological, physical and intellectual health is neither what the doctor nor the Master should order.



Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, hey!

Now, I am all for the unbolded part of that, but I'm not sure I want to be a member of the bolded part. I mean, most members of government are supposed to be the picture of mental health, so count me out.

Jus sayin


According to whom are most members of government supposed to be the picture of mental health? Government psychiatrists?[:D]


I'll go with, the nut-jobs that vote them into office.




GoddessManko -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 6:24:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

Ok....so let's change it a little bit and for the sake of physical mobility and hygiene, the slave is confined to a bedroom/bathroom setup? What if the primary focus of the confinement isn't so much physical....but mental....meaning letting them have a physically comfortable room and bathroom....but no contact with anybody or any mental stimulation? No TV, music, radio, news of the outside world, reading material....and limited contact with the captor? (Just to get fed and be asked if they are well)

Would this have the same effect as a cage with limited mobility except for bathroom breaks?


Have you been desiring longterm caging? And this is primarily what the would be Einstein/brilliant physicist wants and desires. Long term 24/7 confinement but won't dare do anything illegal to attain it. I really am curious how long he can last in such conditions, he's convinced it's what he desires,but again, I'd need another sub or two to care for him and feed him if that is the case, and lots of baby oil to prevent chafing from shackles etc.
I think it would be realistic in a polyplay setting but there has to be greater mobility than a room like domestic duties etc. At first I was thinking of doing it part time but wondered how long he would last in a full time setting and then if he no longer has that imprisonment desire then what would replace it. Also as stated the motives baffle me since he is pretty much a young Einstein.
I'm interested in thoughts on this in particular because he's not exactly an unrealistic brain dead idiot, he knows the chances of it happening are slim to none yet he desires it still.




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 6:32:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

quote:

ORIGINAL: smileforme50

Ok....so let's change it a little bit and for the sake of physical mobility and hygiene, the slave is confined to a bedroom/bathroom setup? What if the primary focus of the confinement isn't so much physical....but mental....meaning letting them have a physically comfortable room and bathroom....but no contact with anybody or any mental stimulation? No TV, music, radio, news of the outside world, reading material....and limited contact with the captor? (Just to get fed and be asked if they are well)

Would this have the same effect as a cage with limited mobility except for bathroom breaks?


Have you been desiring longterm caging? And this is primarily what the would be Einstein/brilliant physicist wants and desires. Long term 24/7 confinement but won't dare do anything illegal to attain it. I really am curious how long he can last in such conditions, he's convinced it's what he desires,but again, I'd need another sub or two to care for him and feed him if that is the case, and lots of baby oil to prevent chafing from shackles etc.
I think it would be realistic in a polyplay setting but there has to be greater mobility than a room like domestic duties etc. At first I was thinking of doing it part time but wondered how long he would last in a full time setting and then if he no longer has that imprisonment desire then what would replace it. Also as stated the motives baffle me since he is pretty much a young Einstein.
I'm interested in thoughts on this in particular because he's not exactly an unrealistic brain dead idiot, he knows the chances of it happening are slim to none yet he desires it still.


Hmmm... what type of physicist is he?




smileforme50 -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 6:53:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

quote:

ORIGINAL: smileforme50

Ok....so let's change it a little bit and for the sake of physical mobility and hygiene, the slave is confined to a bedroom/bathroom setup? What if the primary focus of the confinement isn't so much physical....but mental....meaning letting them have a physically comfortable room and bathroom....but no contact with anybody or any mental stimulation? No TV, music, radio, news of the outside world, reading material....and limited contact with the captor? (Just to get fed and be asked if they are well)

Would this have the same effect as a cage with limited mobility except for bathroom breaks?



Have you been desiring longterm caging? And this is primarily what the would be Einstein/brilliant physicist wants and desires. Long term 24/7 confinement but won't dare do anything illegal to attain it. I really am curious how long he can last in such conditions, he's convinced it's what he desires,but again, I'd need another sub or two to care for him and feed him if that is the case, and lots of baby oil to prevent chafing from shackles etc.
I think it would be realistic in a polyplay setting but there has to be greater mobility than a room like domestic duties etc. At first I was thinking of doing it part time but wondered how long he would last in a full time setting and then if he no longer has that imprisonment desire then what would replace it. Also as stated the motives baffle me since he is pretty much a young Einstein.
I'm interested in thoughts on this in particular because he's not exactly an unrealistic brain dead idiot, he knows the chances of it happening are slim to none yet he desires it still.



I don't desire it. It's more like it freaks me out a bit. But it's this "freak me out factor" that has me wondering about these things. Kind of like the same thing that makes people stare at car accidents and fires....know what I mean? I'm fascinated by the idea of how it might change someone. If you saw and spoke to someone before they went into a cage, and then saw and spoke to them a couple weeks later, and then a month later and then 3 months later....how would they change? Do people who go to prison experience similar changes....or is that only if they are kept in solitary confinement?




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 6:57:55 PM)

They regulated the use of solitary confinement because people were going bat shit crazy. Most people do not much like themselves. These people are always plugged into something, even a book failing all else. When you take someone that doesn't really like themselves or are not comfortable with themselves, and force them to be introspective, they melt down.




shiftyw -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 7:04:54 PM)

I read a horrible article in the Rolling Stone on solitary.

I'm pretty sure that solitary confinement would make me make friends with the junebugs.

I'm a thing that needs attention. I don't necessarily have to be obnoxious about it, but if its been too long since my guy really paid attention to me- I get pretty weird mentally.
I've always said the best punishment for me is to stop talking to me and to reject my touch.

This sort of thing would horrify and scar me. Forced introspection is something I only do, with a therapist, every other week. And even then I whine incessantly about it.




smileforme50 -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 7:26:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I read a horrible article in the Rolling Stone on solitary.

I'm pretty sure that solitary confinement would make me make friends with the junebugs.

I'm a thing that needs attention. I don't necessarily have to be obnoxious about it, but if its been too long since my guy really paid attention to me- I get pretty weird mentally.
I've always said the best punishment for me is to stop talking to me and to reject my touch.

This sort of thing would horrify and scar me. Forced introspection is something I only do, with a therapist, every other week. And even then I whine incessantly about it.


I'm actually pretty comfortable being alone. I can't even count the number of weekends I've spent never stepping out of my apartment, not talking to anyone on the phone, and not turning on the TV....especially when the weather is bad. I suppose a little bit of time on the internet is all the socialization I really *need* to maintain my usual level of sanity (take that any way you want...) What would happen if I lost my internet connect AND had no books to read as well? That's a good question I'd rather not find out.




shiftyw -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 7:31:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50


quote:

ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I read a horrible article in the Rolling Stone on solitary.

I'm pretty sure that solitary confinement would make me make friends with the junebugs.

I'm a thing that needs attention. I don't necessarily have to be obnoxious about it, but if its been too long since my guy really paid attention to me- I get pretty weird mentally.
I've always said the best punishment for me is to stop talking to me and to reject my touch.

This sort of thing would horrify and scar me. Forced introspection is something I only do, with a therapist, every other week. And even then I whine incessantly about it.


I'm actually pretty comfortable being alone. I can't even count the number of weekends I've spent never stepping out of my apartment, not talking to anyone on the phone, and not turning on the TV....especially when the weather is bad. I suppose a little bit of time on the internet is all the socialization I really *need* to maintain my usual level of sanity (take that any way you want...) What would happen if I lost my internet connect AND had no books to read as well? That's a good question I'd rather not find out.



I'm a social butterfly. I always have been. I'm ok alone- even happy.

But if you take away work, tv, internet, books, music, distractions- I'd totally break.

I live for work.
The few months I spent recovering from back surgery with no job- made me batty. I was so depressed. I watched SO much hulu.
I ended up memorizing a whole episode of Community- just for a job to do.

Like...over socialization- I need distraction and purpose.
Make me feel useless and lonely and I'll go crazy.




ResidentSadist -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 8:06:35 PM)

She was in partial confinement, as in she was let out to do her daily duties and returned to the cage in the evening. It was for long period, much longer than 6 months... I wasn't counting because it just became part of the daily routine. I even bough a remote control padlock so I didn't have to get out of bed to release her in the mornings. That way she could go fetch some coffee and make breakfast before I got up.

She eventually came to feel that the cage kept the world out not locked her in. And like me, it protected her. It made her feel comfort like an extension of my love. She was my beautiful slave in a pretty red cage. But that was not how she felt at first. So yes, long term conditioning can make mental and/or emotional changes.

There are a myriad of other uses for cages that aren't so comforting. But my cage was posh, designed to be a nest for my slave's retreat. The forums have a few threads about it and it's decadent appointments.


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50
......long term cage confinement as a part of "training". He said that the purpose of this and the desired outcome, is for the slave to develop a strong dependence on him....a type of "Stockholm Syndrome" he called it. So that even after the slave is released from the cage and even allowed out into the world to socialize with others, she will still have that psychological dependence and connection to him.

Have any of you ever heard of anything like this actually ever happening in an M/s relationship? .........








Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/28/2014 9:21:08 PM)

I spent some time today trying to search out the pictures you posted at least a year ago of your cage, with the teddy bears in bondage inside, the phone and cushions. Just wonderful! Maybe you'd post them here? I wasn't able to find those posts for some reason.




Redhusky -> RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement (9/29/2014 1:56:08 AM)

When i hear this stuff, this makes me wonder , does that Dom/sub thinks or just lets his/her lust & kinky side decide it.
i heard Doms,Masters.Mistresses asking/talking about long time caging. I heard slaves asking to be locked. I heard breaking the slave and so on.

But it's the slave decision after all, while he/she consents .




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