joether
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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Oh my sakes. Take off your ideological blinders for two minutes, for the love of all rainbows.
They were not "hate laws." It was societal norms.
That seems a weird way of looking at it to me. For one thing, societal norms can, and do, entrench hate and make it widely acceptable. One of the many advantages is that people can be shitty towards certain other sorts of people without having to feel guilty about it.
For another, an ideology works at its strongest and most effectively when what it claims comes to be seen as as 'just normal, natural, ordinary, and eternally true'. This big win is a win against an ideology that promoted homophobia.
Did you read joether's vitriol?
Pot calling the Kettle BLACK!
You have vitriol down to a science!
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Can you imagine replacing republicans/tea party/conservatives with homosexuals/transgendered?
Sure, but that is just an imagination, not the reality we have today. I don't see to many homosexuals and transgendered demanding the American people place boots on the ground in Syria/Iraq. Can you say the same for Republican/Tea Party, conservatives and libertarians?
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
It is the same type of othering. He even goes so far as to call 1500 years or so of religious belief and bias with regards to marriage as "evil."
Your going to have us all believe that the Christian religion has been spotless, clean, just, fair, honest, and above all, totally in keeping with God's viewpoints?
Good Luck....
A REAL Christian would admit their religious has done many bad things as well as good ones. That people have used the Holy Bible for great acts of evil, and for great acts of good. That some of the most charismatic of Christians have done evil; while those lacking such external beauty have shown great restraint, compassion, love, and given hope to those that have lost all. The 'Salem Witch Trials' was not one of Christian's better moments in history. Nor how they treated the native population here in America. Or allowing holy men to have sex with little children between closed doors; and then protect them from the very law enforcement trying to bring justice to the wrongs!
And there are moments in which Christians have done tremendous good. Feed the poor, tend to the sick, comfort those in pain. To give help to those suffering all sorts of pains and set backs in life. I don't look at the religion and paint a brush. Its the individuals that make up the religion. How have they done given the Holy Bible?
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
I just do not see all of those generations of people as evil. I see them as products of their times.
Yes, demonizing a group of people makes it easier to harm and kill them. That you cant see Christianity objectively really shows WHO wears the blinders in this conversation. Or have you never heard of any abortion clinics getting bombed by Christians whom felt justified in their actions? Or KKK'ers caught for bring harm to blacks by the investigations of law enforcement? An who is often against helping people out with the health problems that the ACA helps provide to ease their suffering (or cure), Alyee?
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Remember, it is not tolerating something if you do not have an issue with it in the first. So all of those "evil" people upset about the changes to marriage (and some of them I do not agree with) that are not killing, maiming, and threatening others are actually being fairly tolerant.
Two people are dying of cancer. There lives will expire within a few minutes. In both cases, its a woman. In one case, the husband is allowed to be with the patient in their final minutes. To give love, comfort, and assurances. In the second, the lesbian partner is denied, because she is not considered family. She sits in the waiting room, knowing her love for twenty years, will die alone, in sorrow, without comfort and love. What's wrong with this picture, Aylee? To those supporting DOMA at the federal and state levels? Absolutely nothing. How 'Christian' is it? Its NOT, that's the answer. How fair is it? Its NOT, that's the answer. Is it fair for one US Citizen to have something denied to another?
Marriage is not just a religious term. It has a legal, financial, and society definition to it. What financial reason exists to disbar two consenting adults from forming a relationship based on love, friendship, comfort, and wanting to be with the other? How about Society? Can you raise a non religious reason, why two people, whom desire to be together, are of full control of their minds, and not under duress, can not marry? And, make sure I couldn't turn it around to apply to a 'man and woman' marrying. Why do you think these laws are getting struck down left and right in the states?
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