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Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries?


US airports should have closed airports from Ebola ravaged countries.
  29% (13)
The US should immediately close airports from Ebola ravished countries
  38% (17)
We should never close airports from any country.
  11% (5)
What the hell is going to happen next in this country?
  4% (2)
I could care less, until the US has at least 100 cases of Ebola
  6% (3)
I am not worried, I will never get Ebola.
  4% (2)
I am worried, and I have no idea what I should do.
  4% (2)


Total Votes : 44
(last vote on : 11/4/2014 8:15:41 AM)
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Lucylastic -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 4:45:10 PM)

hugglies my friend




Lucylastic -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 4:50:44 PM)

DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – The CDC has announced that the second healthcare worker diagnosed with Ebola — now identified as Amber Joy Vinson of Dallas — traveled by air Oct. 13, with a low-grade fever, a day before she showed up at the hospital reporting symptoms.
The CDC is now reaching out to all passengers who flew on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth. The flight landed at 8:16 p.m. CT.
All 132 passengers on the flight are being asked to call 1 800-CDC INFO (1 800 232-4636). Public health professionals will begin interviewing passengers about the flight Wednesday afternoon.
“Although she (Vinson) did not report any symptoms and she did not meet the fever threshold of 100.4, she did report at that time she took her temperature and found it to be 99.5,” said CDC Director Tom Frieden. Her temperature coupled with the fact that she had been exposed to the virus should have prevented her from getting on the plane, he said. “I don’t think that changes the level of risk of people around her. She did not vomit, she was not bleeding, so the level of risk of people around her would be extremely low.”
CBS News Medical Correspondent Dr. John LaPook reports that Vinson called the CDC several times before boarding the plane concerned about her fever.
“This nurse, Nurse Vinson, did in fact call the CDC several times before taking that flight and said she has a temperature, a fever of 99.5, and the person at the CDC looked at a chart and because her temperature wasn’t 100.4 or higher she didn’t officially fall into the category of high risk.”
Vinson first reported a fever to the hospital on Tuesday (Oct. 14) and was isolated within 90 minutes, according to officials. She did not exhibit symptoms while on the Monday flight, according to crew members. However, the CDC says passenger notification is needed as an “extra level of safety” due to the proximity in time between the flight and the first reported symptoms.
“Those who have exposures to Ebola, she should not have traveled on a commercial airline,” said Dr. Frieden. “The CDC guidance in this setting outlines the need for controlled movement. That can include a charter plane; that can include a car; but it does not include public transport. We will from this moment forward ensure that no other individual who is being monitored for exposure undergoes travel in any way other than controlled movement.”
Frieden specifically noted that the remaining 75 healthcare workers who treated Thomas Duncan at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital will not be allowed to fly. The CDC will work with local and state officials to accomplish this.
Frontier Airlines is working closely with the CDC to identify and notify all passengers on the flight. The airline also says the plane has been thoroughly cleaned and was removed from service following CDC notification early Wednesday morning.
However, according to Flighttracker, the plane was used for five additional flights on Tuesday before it was removed from service. Those flights include a return flight to Cleveland, Cleveland to Fort Lauderdale–Hollywood International Airport (FLL), FLL to Cleveland, Cleveland to Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL), and ATL to Cleveland.
While in Ohio, Vinson visited relatives, who are employees at Kent State University. The university is now asking Vinson’s three relatives stay off campus and self-monitor per CDC protocol for the next 21 days out of an “abundance of caution.”
“It’s important to note that the patient was not on the Kent State campus,” said Kent State President Beverly Warren. “She stayed with her family at their home in Summit County and did not step foot on our campus. We want to assure our university community that we are taking this information seriously, taking steps to communicate what we know,” said Dr. Angela DeJulius, director of University Health Services at Kent State.
Vinson is a Kent State graduate. She received degrees from there in 2006 and 2008.
Cleveland’s Public Health Director, Toinette Parrilla, said Vinson was visiting in preparation for her wedding. While there, she visited her mother and her fiance.
Complete Coverage Of Ebola In North Texas
The latest Ebola diagnosis was announced by the Texas Department of State Health Services early Wednesday morning.
Vinson is the second worker at Presbyterian Hospital to be diagnosed after providing health care to Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States. He died last week.
Medical records provided to The Associated Press by Thomas Eric Duncan’s family show Amber Joy Vinson was actively engaged in caring for Duncan in the days before his death. The records show she inserted catheters, drew blood, and dealt with Duncan’s body fluids.
Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings addressed the media on Wednesday, saying the patient lives alone and has no pets.
“It may get worse before it gets better,” Rawlings said, “but it will get better.”
Crews worked to decontaminate the common areas of Vinson’s Dallas apartment building Tuesday morning. The apartment unit will be decontaminated by contractors starting early Wednesday afternoon.
The CDC announced that Vinson will be transported to Emory Hospital in Atlanta for further treatment. Two previous American Ebola patients, Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, were treated at Emory and were the first Ebola patients to be treated in the United States. They were released in August.
Nina Pham was diagnosed with the virus over the weekend and remains isolated in good condition. Pham’s dog — a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel named Bentley — has been taken into custody and is being cared for at an undisclosed location.


http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/




Greta75 -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 5:22:25 PM)

No good!

Again, if this was spread by fluids only, I am surprise healthcare workers with their stringent hygiene practices are still catching it from their patients. Perhaps they really gotta study this more.

But all these nurses are really heroes. I mean having to wipe their patients diarrhea and things like that, really really putting themselves in the most contagious form of contact!




Aylee -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 5:41:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

No good!

Again, if this was spread by fluids only, I am surprise healthcare workers with their stringent hygiene practices are still catching it from their patients. Perhaps they really gotta study this more.

But all these nurses are really heroes. I mean having to wipe their patients diarrhea and things like that, really really putting themselves in the most contagious form of contact!


They have never had to practice getting OUT of their protective gear.

The CDC's disrobing protocols, taking off her gloves first and then the rest of her protective gear with her bare hands (but being careful not to touch the outside of any surfaces.)

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/ppe-poster.pdf

Scroll down to the second page. Yes, really: take off your gloves first, then take everything else off with your bare hands, being VERY CAREFUL only to touch the inside of everything because the outside is contaminated, and if you touch anything at any point, stop and wash your hands or use an alcohol-based cleanser.

Who uses a protocol where a single error could result in death when all you'd have to do in order to make it at least somewhat safer is put on and take off a new pair of gloves in between removing each item of protective gear? Or even: put on a clean pair of gloves as soon as you take off your contaminated gloves, then remove the rest of your gear as per the poster, immediately discarding your gloves and donning new ones if you think you might have even slightly touched the outer surface of anything while removing it.

Or double gloving?

But, you really do need A LOT of practice in doing this.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 5:59:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
WTF what possessed HER to fly considering she had been working with Duncan,???
why wasnt NOT FLYING while under questionable self examination a pre requisite from the hospital.


She wasn't supposed to fly on any commercial flights with other passengers. She didn't follow those rules.




thishereboi -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 6:00:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

No good!

Again, if this was spread by fluids only, I am surprise healthcare workers with their stringent hygiene practices are still catching it from their patients. Perhaps they really gotta study this more.

But all these nurses are really heroes. I mean having to wipe their patients diarrhea and things like that, really really putting themselves in the most contagious form of contact!


One of my teachers works for one of the local hospitals here and one of the things she does is track things like hand washing. I was amazed at the number of doctors and nurses who didn't do something that simple between patients. Having the practice doesn't help anyone unless they do it. I found this article which mentions video surveillance to make sure they comply.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/nyregion/hospitals-struggle-to-get-workers-to-wash-their-hands.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0




Lucylastic -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 6:05:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
WTF what possessed HER to fly considering she had been working with Duncan,???
why wasnt NOT FLYING while under questionable self examination a pre requisite from the hospital.


She wasn't supposed to fly on any commercial flights with other passengers. She didn't follow those rules.


Hey DS:)
I just quoted what the story was, apparently (questionable still to me) that she called the cdc who told her to fly.
post 142...no doubt you have got there now:)





DaddySatyr -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 6:06:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
WTF what possessed HER to fly considering she had been working with Duncan,???
why wasnt NOT FLYING while under questionable self examination a pre requisite from the hospital.


She wasn't supposed to fly on any commercial flights with other passengers. She didn't follow those rules.



I am beginning to wonder if this isn't some kind of biological warfare attack ...







Screen captures (and pissing on shadows) still RULE! Ya feel me?




Lucylastic -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 6:07:30 PM)

paranoia will do it everytime




dcnovice -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 6:36:19 PM)

quote:

One of my teachers works for one of the local hospitals here and one of the things she does is track things like hand washing. I was amazed at the number of doctors and nurses who didn't do something that simple between patients.

That is disturbing indeed.

I'm grateful to report that things seemed better at the three hospitals I've patronized way too often lately. There's a soap/sanitizer dispenser just inside each patient or exam room, and it's become a reflex for everyone to clean up before coming in. Then the nurses and techs all seem to put on gloves as well.




FieryOpal -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 6:42:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

So, now we have a family that has been in contact with someone infected with Ebola. We have a commercial plane with other passengers that now have had some contact with a person infected with Ebola. We have a crew that has potentially come in contact with Ebola while they were doing routine cleaning of that plane.

What's the truth?

Why do you care? Does a conservative interpretation of the constitution allow for any of this? Why isn't this a job for private enterprise?

Why shouldn't he care beyond the confines of what is contained in the U.S. Constitution, unless you are contending that DS is a strict Constitutionalist?

What would you suggest that private enterprise take upon itself, if that is your position, and how do you think this would streamline any such (potentially) unconcerted efforts? If not, then what do you believe should be done?

(Or are you just being facetious? [&:] )

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Marini -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 6:50:30 PM)

Many people still have NO idea how highly contagious and serious the Ebola virus
is.

This virus goes FAR beyond gloves, handwashing and the basic rules followed in most hospitals.

If you look at the medical workers in West Africa, most look like they are wearing hazmat suits.

Removing ebola protective gear




Marini -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 6:55:06 PM)

I read that the nurses needed at least 3 days of training PRIOR to working with Ebola patients.

The medical personnel that go to West Africa MUST complete at least 3 days of extensive training on how to use and wear the protective clothing.

NO hospital workers should be in contact with Ebola patients, unless they have had the 3 days of training.

CDC Training course for healthcare workers going to West Africa

Can you imagine how powerful this virus is?

I worked with AIDS patients in a nursing home about 23 years ago, and I did not have 3 days of training on protective gear.
I also never worried about catching AIDS, between the gowns and gloves I wore.
[8|]

3 Days of training on protective gear?
What sort of virus are we dealing with here is the question many are asking.




Sanity -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 7:13:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
WTF what possessed HER to fly considering she had been working with Duncan,???
why wasnt NOT FLYING while under questionable self examination a pre requisite from the hospital.


She wasn't supposed to fly on any commercial flights with other passengers. She didn't follow those rules.



Not a big deal

According to the CDC, you cant catch it on public transportation, you can only give it on public transportation




PeonForHer -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 7:26:31 PM)

FR

Excuse my ignorance - I know zilch about the subject of correct disrobing in this context: why can't those who've been dealing with ebola patients step, fully-clothed, straight into decontaminating showers or baths?




Sanity -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 7:28:56 PM)


Ive never seen one of those in any hospital Ive ever been in




dcnovice -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 7:37:08 PM)

quote:

NO hospital workers should be in contact with Ebola patients, unless they have had the 3 days of training.

That's definitely a sobering thought. Of course, it does raise the question of what happens to the patient(s) during the three days.




BamaD -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 8:15:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
WTF what possessed HER to fly considering she had been working with Duncan,???
why wasnt NOT FLYING while under questionable self examination a pre requisite from the hospital.


She wasn't supposed to fly on any commercial flights with other passengers. She didn't follow those rules.



I am beginning to wonder if this isn't some kind of biological warfare attack ...







Screen captures (and pissing on shadows) still RULE! Ya feel me?

I have to agree with Lucy on this one, the nurse was criminally irresponsible.
Maybe, and I don't consider this to be justification, she believed the government types who said you couldn't spread it that way (not being anti government there but they are the ones who said it) even though some of the same people said you should avoid public transportation if you had been exposed. Maybe she ignored them because the info was conflicting. And maybe she was just a selfish bitch who didn't care.




Marini -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 8:22:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

NO hospital workers should be in contact with Ebola patients, unless they have had the 3 days of training.

That's definitely a sobering thought. Of course, it does raise the question of what happens to the patient(s) during the three days.


Humm thanks dc, that's a good question.
If a hospital gets a patient with Ebola, technically no-one should be "working" with the patient unless they are trained, and certainly you can't just put the person on a plane and always fly them to Atlanta.

More questions than answers on this one.
Do you think folks might consider doing something with flights coming in and out of West Africa?
At least screen everyone, and think about quarantine for some?




Marini -> RE: Should the US close airports from Ebola ravaged countries? (10/15/2014 8:29:34 PM)

People NEED to be more worried about how fucking easy it was for Duncan to breeze into the USA, instead of jumping on the nurse who was taking care of him.

WTF?


Where the hell is the CDC and our government to manage this?
If 76 people were being monitored how was this lady allowed to board a plane in the first place?
SHE called the CDC SEVERAL times BEFORE boarding the plane, and they told her it was okay for her to fly!!
BLAME the fucking asses in the government.
Who the hell is in charge of the CDC, and handling this epidemic? The 3 stooges?



I guess next, we are going to DEPEND on people to quarantine themselves soon, or go to the nearest hospital that is not fucking trained to take care of them.

hummmmmm

I hope those that are upset over the nurse, are also not thrilled with people able to fly in from all over the world, including Ebola ravished countries with impunity.

Plenty of pot kettle black folks up in here.




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