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joether -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 12:53:28 AM)
No one has a problem that a private firm hired this guy? That he had all the abilities and powers of his normal 'day job'? That we allow a non-government entity to have the same arresting powers as those in the government, yet, held to not even the same limitations and degrees of accountability that those in government are held too? Its one thing to hire an off duty police officer to handle a road work issue. Its quite different when they are hired to perform their 'day job', but work for the company as a private army. If those police officers found the company that was paying them had done wrong; would they have a duty to report it? In government, the answer is 'hell yes'. So if the company pays these officers a high level of money, would they be tempted to overlook things that serve their company's interests? There is an old RPG game called 'Shawdowrun'. The game's backdrop is Seattle in 2070. That government is not what it used to be, and the corporations basically do most of the controlling interests. One particular company, called 'Lone Star' handles the security and policing for the city. Its basically individuals with arresting and police powers, but with less accountability and responsibility than modern day police officers. Where race problems has nothing to do with skin color, but really, one's race (dwarf, orc, troll, elf, human). And there has been more than one 'Runner' (what players are called in the game's fictional background) that has encountered damaging evidence that someone within Lone Star did something horrible, but the 'police' simply turn a blind eye to it; since they know where their meal ticket comes from. Should we as a society be concern when private companies have the same powers to police and arrest as government, without the burden of accountability and responsibility with power? An we are not talking just small companies, but large multi-national conglomerates that are held only to whims of the most upper crust of management authority. Tyranny by a corporation(s) was not a problem to the founding fathers back in the 18th century; should we be foolish to ignore this possible reality?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 3:15:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether No one has a problem that a private firm hired this guy? That he had all the abilities and powers of his normal 'day job'? That we allow a non-government entity to have the same arresting powers as those in the government, yet, held to not even the same limitations and degrees of accountability that those in government are held too? Its one thing to hire an off duty police officer to handle a road work issue. Its quite different when they are hired to perform their 'day job', but work for the company as a private army. If those police officers found the company that was paying them had done wrong; would they have a duty to report it? In government, the answer is 'hell yes'. So if the company pays these officers a high level of money, would they be tempted to overlook things that serve their company's interests? There is an old RPG game called 'Shawdowrun'. The game's backdrop is Seattle in 2070. That government is not what it used to be, and the corporations basically do most of the controlling interests. One particular company, called 'Lone Star' handles the security and policing for the city. Its basically individuals with arresting and police powers, but with less accountability and responsibility than modern day police officers. Where race problems has nothing to do with skin color, but really, one's race (dwarf, orc, troll, elf, human). And there has been more than one 'Runner' (what players are called in the game's fictional background) that has encountered damaging evidence that someone within Lone Star did something horrible, but the 'police' simply turn a blind eye to it; since they know where their meal ticket comes from. Should we as a society be concern when private companies have the same powers to police and arrest as government, without the burden of accountability and responsibility with power? An we are not talking just small companies, but large multi-national conglomerates that are held only to whims of the most upper crust of management authority. Tyranny by a corporation(s) was not a problem to the founding fathers back in the 18th century; should we be foolish to ignore this possible reality? The officer still gets his authority from the StL Police Department. If a cop is off-duty, sitting in his yard, sipping a lemonade and there is a robbery next door, is he powerless to act as a police officer? Apparently, there are security companies, businesses and sporting events that seem to think hiring trained police officers is a good idea when they are in need of, or want to provide policing services. Crazy, innit?

eulero83 -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 3:59:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether No one has a problem that a private firm hired this guy? That he had all the abilities and powers of his normal 'day job'? That we allow a non-government entity to have the same arresting powers as those in the government, yet, held to not even the same limitations and degrees of accountability that those in government are held too? Its one thing to hire an off duty police officer to handle a road work issue. Its quite different when they are hired to perform their 'day job', but work for the company as a private army. If those police officers found the company that was paying them had done wrong; would they have a duty to report it? In government, the answer is 'hell yes'. So if the company pays these officers a high level of money, would they be tempted to overlook things that serve their company's interests? There is an old RPG game called 'Shawdowrun'. The game's backdrop is Seattle in 2070. That government is not what it used to be, and the corporations basically do most of the controlling interests. One particular company, called 'Lone Star' handles the security and policing for the city. Its basically individuals with arresting and police powers, but with less accountability and responsibility than modern day police officers. Where race problems has nothing to do with skin color, but really, one's race (dwarf, orc, troll, elf, human). And there has been more than one 'Runner' (what players are called in the game's fictional background) that has encountered damaging evidence that someone within Lone Star did something horrible, but the 'police' simply turn a blind eye to it; since they know where their meal ticket comes from. Should we as a society be concern when private companies have the same powers to police and arrest as government, without the burden of accountability and responsibility with power? An we are not talking just small companies, but large multi-national conglomerates that are held only to whims of the most upper crust of management authority. Tyranny by a corporation(s) was not a problem to the founding fathers back in the 18th century; should we be foolish to ignore this possible reality? The officer still gets his authority from the StL Police Department. If a cop is off-duty, sitting in his yard, sipping a lemonade and there is a robbery next door, is he powerless to act as a police officer? Apparently, there are security companies, businesses and sporting events that seem to think hiring trained police officers is a good idea when they are in need of, or want to provide policing services. Crazy, innit? The problem is not for him acting or having the power to when off duty, it is for him accepting two paychecks one to protect public interests the other one to pursuit a private interest while acting as public officer, that's borderline to birbery.

Gauge -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 4:12:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 The problem is not for him acting or having the power to when off duty, it is for him accepting two paychecks one to protect public interests the other one to pursuit a private interest while acting as public officer, that's borderline to birbery. No, it is what is common practice for police officers. It is what they refer to as an Extra Job. It is completely allowed for them to participate in working for a private security company or local establishment as security. They are not officially working for their department but are still allowed to make arrests and yes, even enforce the law if need be. Perfectly above board, legal, common knowledge amongst the civilians and not unethical. Before commenting on something, please try to understand what it is you are commenting on.

eulero83 -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 4:33:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 The problem is not for him acting or having the power to when off duty, it is for him accepting two paychecks one to protect public interests the other one to pursuit a private interest while acting as public officer, that's borderline to birbery. No, it is what is common practice for police officers. It is what they refer to as an Extra Job. It is completely allowed for them to participate in working for a private security company or local establishment as security. They are not officially working for their department but are still allowed to make arrests and yes, even enforce the law if need be. Perfectly above board, legal, common knowledge amongst the civilians and not unethical. Before commenting on something, please try to understand what it is you are commenting on. It is legal so they do it, but it's not ethical to let them do it.

thishereboi -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 4:48:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking Come on, Otter, this is Sanity you're arguing with. Don't bother trying to reason with or shame him, it just gets him off. [sm=binky.gif] Give the dancing man a break. Sanity is the ying to his yang and this gives him a chance to use all those cutesy little insults he thinks make him look so mature and clever.

thishereboi -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 4:59:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 The problem is not for him acting or having the power to when off duty, it is for him accepting two paychecks one to protect public interests the other one to pursuit a private interest while acting as public officer, that's borderline to birbery. No, it is what is common practice for police officers. It is what they refer to as an Extra Job. It is completely allowed for them to participate in working for a private security company or local establishment as security. They are not officially working for their department but are still allowed to make arrests and yes, even enforce the law if need be. Perfectly above board, legal, common knowledge amongst the civilians and not unethical. Before commenting on something, please try to understand what it is you are commenting on. It is legal so they do it, but it's not ethical to let them do it. You may feel it's unethical but it's acceptable over here and that's what the discussion is about. When we went to Black Rose (which is a weekend long kinky event held at a hotel) they had off duty cops working security. They did the job they were hired to do and went home. It wasn't a big deal and it didn't effect their first job at all. I find it really amusing that you have such a problem with this but seem to think it's just fine and dandy when someone ignores a cop and does whatever the fuck they please. But I guess it's possible that you just have a problem with cops in general. You wouldn't be the first one.

eulero83 -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 5:51:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 It is legal so they do it, but it's not ethical to let them do it. You may feel it's unethical but it's acceptable over here and that's what the discussion is about. When we went to Black Rose (which is a weekend long kinky event held at a hotel) they had off duty cops working security. They did the job they were hired to do and went home. It wasn't a big deal and it didn't effect their first job at all. I find it really amusing that you have such a problem with this but seem to think it's just fine and dandy when someone ignores a cop and does whatever the fuck they please. But I guess it's possible that you just have a problem with cops in general. You wouldn't be the first one. If you want to listen I'll be glad to explain my point, if whatever I say will just start a battle for being right, I have better things to do. So just let me know.

Sanity -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 5:51:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking Come on, Otter, this is Sanity you're arguing with. Don't bother trying to reason with or shame him, it just gets him off. [sm=binky.gif] Give the dancing man a break. Sanity is the ying to his yang and this gives him a chance to use all those cutesy little insults he thinks make him look so mature and clever. Seriously? [:D] If I acted anything like you, you might have a point... However, I don't follow you around like you do me, posting just to insult you just as you and mnot and assorted other mindless little collarchat trolls do

Musicmystery -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 6:08:52 AM)
It's sad that's what it takes to get your "following." But I suppose that's one way. We all start from where we are.

Sanity -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 6:34:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery It's sad that's what it takes to get your "following." But I suppose that's one way. We all start from where we are. Another one is heard from You're the mindless little troll who likes to consider yourself the smartest troll in the room Well, you're not. You're barely a notch above mnot At least your sentences are usually coherent though

Musicmystery -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 6:36:23 AM)
Nice you're the smartest troll in the room and are able to assess the other posters accordingly. It must be a terrible burden. [8\|]

Sanity -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 6:44:43 AM)
How about we get back on topic, professor Why is it that the knee-jerk rioters in the St Lois area have never heard, or at least taken to heart, the dream spoken of by MLK While most of the rest of us have a very long time ago

Lucylastic -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 7:02:24 AM)
Im surprised by all the lack of attention that Eric Frein has wrought on the board. Oh hang on ...no im not but people whinging the "blacks" are getting pissed off over, how many dead blacks shot by police?? Eric Frein is a white survivalist, a cop killer, americas most wanted and not a word...

thompsonx -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 7:39:24 AM)
ORIGINAL: Gauge ORIGINAL: thompsonx One has to wonder where you find the shit that comes out of your mouth. Do bigots just make up shit so they can have that fresh shit taste in their mouth? *The article is pretty clear that the cop was the only one with a gun*...now bigots don't let the truth get in the way of serving up a plate of turds as if it were cherios. Perhaps if you took a little more time to read the article, you might have picked up on this: An 18-year-old man, Vonderrit Myers, is dead after police say he fired shots at an off-duty officer and the officer returned fire. Police say during the altercation the man’s sweatshirt came off it was clear to the officer that the man had a gun. The man ran up a hill and reportedly turned, pulled a gun and fired at the officer. According to Police Chief Sam Dotson, who briefed the media at 1 a.m. on Thursday, the man fired three rounds at the officer and continued to fire, but his gun jammed. Police say the Myers’ 9mm handgun was recovered at the scene. The gun was reported stolen on Sept. 26. The officer was clearly not the only one with a gun. In the furgeson case the cops said the dead black man was attacking the cop who murdered him in self defense.... we now know that this is not true...now you want us to believe this plate of turds is true[8\|] Why is that?

thompsonx -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 7:40:39 AM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD Black Cop killers get to speak at college graduations. Why does that offend you. Does it offend you that a convicted perjurer gets paid for speaking engagements?

thompsonx -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 7:49:41 AM)
ORIGINAL: Gauge No, it is what is common practice for police officers. It is what they refer to as an Extra Job. Is that why they have to have special permission in writting to have this extra job?[8\|] It is completely allowed for them to participate in working for a private security company or local establishment as security. They are not officially working for their department but are still allowed to make arrests and yes, even enforce the law if need be. Since cops are cops 24/7 they are wearing their cop uniform and using their cop authority and their cop gun and badge while working for a second paycheck. Not all jurrisdictions allow this. Perfectly above board, legal, common knowledge amongst the civilians and not unethical. In my country cops are civilians by law. Before commenting on something, please try to understand what it is you are commenting on. You clearly need to follow your own advice.

mnottertail -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 7:52:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity How about we get back on topic, professor Why is it that the knee-jerk rioters in the St Lois area have never heard, or at least taken to heart, the dream spoken of by MLK While most of the rest of us have a very long time ago Oh, come now, you are not a poor black kid from Idaho, sharing your bathtub in hand-built in the Snake River with your white boyfriend.

Musicmystery -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 7:57:26 AM)
And he doesn't get that black people don't speak with one voice. After all, they're all black, right? So of course, they all think alike, just like all white people do. Good thing he's so open-minded and aware.

Sanity -> RE: Content of Character: 0 (10/10/2014 8:31:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And he doesn't get that black people don't speak with one voice. After all, they're all black, right? So of course, they all think alike, just like all white people do. Good thing he's so open-minded and aware. I didn't write anything like that Too bad you people are such morons, such stupid lowlife trolls that you are unable to debate what is actually written

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