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Conversation - 10/9/2014 7:03:38 AM   
SinFix


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So, I will preface this by saying that I'm looking for opinions about styles and types of conversation.

It has been pointed out to me by my best friend that via texting I am very prone to just sending what would be considered a statement. For example this morning I sent a text to someone saying "Ugh, I am beginning to hate spreadsheets", now to me, while I understand that it is just a statement, why would that not be considered a conversation starting point?

He maintains that questions are the key to carrying on a conversation, but while I feel that yes they are, statements and observations are just as valid as a question for having a conversation. How else would you get your opinion across if not by stating it?

I know that texting, I am very bad about keeping it short and simple, and that most of the time when I text a statement I am not always looking for a reply back to that statement or observation.

So, everyone, How do you begin and carry on conversations? specifically via text.
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RE: Conversation - 10/9/2014 7:32:50 AM   
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Texting is a very ambigious medium. We lack the luxury of interpersonal queues to move us foreword in a conversation, and to show that we are invested in a conversation, it takes much more effort via text. We spend our lives learining conversation queues, and for those not born with a smart phone in hand, most texts immediatly appear as curtness, because we know what curt looks like, and without interpersonal queues, we can asume it is curt or dismissive.

Texting is a great way to connect with someone, but it will never be a viable tool for relationship support. Regardless of the depth or level of the relationship, a text shows that "they" have crossed our minds, but imparts no real value on the recipient, that we must work on. So, a brief statement or question establishes a point of connection... and some times that is all we have time for... without revisiting the question/statement/conversation in depth, when there is actual time to hold a conversation, people fall into assuming that their value you to you, is just a momentary thought crossing your mind, and a text validates that.

So, the question is, how often do you pursue a conversation, even if it requires revisiting it at a later time, versus how often you drop a text to keep people hovering on the edge of your life with no real investment?

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RE: Conversation - 10/9/2014 7:53:16 AM   
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I don't carry on conversations through text. I'll send a quick text saying "I'll be late" if I'm expected at a specific time or ask a question "what do you want for dinner tonight" or "what time will you be home", something on that order but for an actual conversation, I'll talk by phone or in-person but not text.

If I got a text like the one you sent, I would see it just as a statement, not a conversation starter. I might reply by just saying "ok" or "oh well......" but that would be it. I don't see it as anything more than just a random statement.


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RE: Conversation - 10/9/2014 8:14:36 AM   
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I don't tend to reply to texts in a conversational way, I use them more as a way of smoothing out the details in things - convenient easy communication.

The typical conversation I will have is:

"Would you pull the beef out of the freezer please so it is defrosted this evening"
"Ok done"
"Thanks"

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RE: Conversation - 10/9/2014 8:49:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

Texting is a very ambigious medium. We lack the luxury of interpersonal queues to move us foreword in a conversation, and to show that we are invested in a conversation, it takes much more effort via text. We spend our lives learining conversation queues, and for those not born with a smart phone in hand, most texts immediatly appear as curtness, because we know what curt looks like, and without interpersonal queues, we can asume it is curt or dismissive.

Texting is a great way to connect with someone, but it will never be a viable tool for relationship support. Regardless of the depth or level of the relationship, a text shows that "they" have crossed our minds, but imparts no real value on the recipient, that we must work on. So, a brief statement or question establishes a point of connection... and some times that is all we have time for... without revisiting the question/statement/conversation in depth, when there is actual time to hold a conversation, people fall into assuming that their value you to you, is just a momentary thought crossing your mind, and a text validates that.

So, the question is, how often do you pursue a conversation, even if it requires revisiting it at a later time, versus how often you drop a text to keep people hovering on the edge of your life with no real investment?


quote:

I don't carry on conversations through text. I'll send a quick text saying "I'll be late" if I'm expected at a specific time or ask a question "what do you want for dinner tonight" or "what time will you be home", something on that order but for an actual conversation, I'll talk by phone or in-person but not text.

If I got a text like the one you sent, I would see it just as a statement, not a conversation starter. I might reply by just saying "ok" or "oh well......" but that would be it. I don't see it as anything more than just a random statement.


quote:

I don't tend to reply to texts in a conversational way, I use them more as a way of smoothing out the details in things - convenient easy communication.

The typical conversation I will have is:

"Would you pull the beef out of the freezer please so it is defrosted this evening"
"Ok done"
"Thanks"


So I will try to answer everything here.

ET: I don't often try to carry on an actual conversation via text every time, though I do use text most for the following reasons
1: I have major issues hearing the lower octaves in men's voices over a cell phone, so following what a guy is talking to me about is extremely difficult and tends to led to them getting frustrated or annoyed with constant repeating of things.
2: 99.9% of the people in my life are long distance and as I stated I just can't hear them over the phone so I will text. Besides none of them actually call or text me, I am the one that always has to initiate "conversation".
3: As you stated, I do use texting as a way to let them know I am at least thinking of them, not necessarily for a conversation per say.


InHisHeart: Okay, I do understand that, though I guess to me when someone texts me a statement or observation I reply with some form of acknowledgement that I read it.

Amaidiamond: That is what I do for my son, as I stated to ET the majority of the people in my life are not around me and as I stated, I have issues hearing guys voices over the cell phone.


I hope others will chime in on their perspective of this, as what I may need to do is modify how I connect with those that I wish to converse with.

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RE: Conversation - 10/9/2014 9:01:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SinFix

So, I will preface this by saying that I'm looking for opinions about styles and types of conversation.

It has been pointed out to me by my best friend that via texting I am very prone to just sending what would be considered a statement. For example this morning I sent a text to someone saying "Ugh, I am beginning to hate spreadsheets", now to me, while I understand that it is just a statement, why would that not be considered a conversation starting point?



Of course you can start a conversation from that statement. The obvious followup to your statement would be, "Why do you hate spreadsheets?" or "So do I."

quote:

He maintains that questions are the key to carrying on a conversation, but while I feel that yes they are, statements and observations are just as valid as a question for having a conversation. How else would you get your opinion across if not by stating it?


Having a conversation with just statements has a mechanical feel to it, there is no implied investment of interest. Questions propel the conversation along and show that your listener has a curiosity to know more. Stating your opinion is fine, but chances are, in a conversation with me, I would be asking you questions so I can clarify my own understanding of your opinion.

quote:

I know that texting, I am very bad about keeping it short and simple, and that most of the time when I text a statement I am not always looking for a reply back to that statement or observation.

So, everyone, How do you begin and carry on conversations? specifically via text.


I hate texting. Texting is useful for some brief, mundane things but I maintain a rule for myself, if it takes more than three texts to say what you have to say and it is going to take me longer to text than it would be to call... then fucking call me instead. You have to think of the irony here, we are using a phone that was invented to carry on voice communication, to write our thoughts down instead. In certain situations where you cannot call someone, a text is useful, but otherwise I can do without them. Perhaps it is the violently suppressed Luddite inside of me struggling to get out.


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RE: Conversation - 10/9/2014 9:04:03 AM   
SinFix


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I guess I should also state, that these "random" statements usually involves things from prior conversations.. ie. the spreadsheet statement, in the past have talked about how many spreadsheets I have to make up for work and why I have to make them.

I will also state now that my reasons for texting are:

1: I have major issues hearing the lower octaves in men's voices over a cell phone, so following what a guy is talking to me about is extremely difficult and tends to led to them getting frustrated or annoyed with constant repeating of things.
2: 99.9% of the people in my life are long distance and as I stated I just can't hear them over the phone so I will text. Besides none of them actually call or text me, I am the one that always has to initiate "conversation".
3: As you stated, I do use texting as a way to let them know I am at least thinking of them, not necessarily for a conversation per say.

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RE: Conversation - 10/9/2014 9:09:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SinFix

1: I have major issues hearing the lower octaves in men's voices over a cell phone, so following what a guy is talking to me about is extremely difficult and tends to led to them getting frustrated or annoyed with constant repeating of things.



I would have to believe that you are not the only one with this type of problem, so I would begin to scour the Internet for an application for your phone to change the voice of the person calling you, or they can download the application and use it. Just a thought.

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RE: Conversation - 10/9/2014 9:11:24 AM   
SinFix


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Thanks Gauge,

While I do understand a whole conversation based on statements or observations would be mechanical, my whole conversation would not be just statements/observations but would include questions. I just have a tendency to begin the conversation with just that.

I dislike texting as well but as I have said, calling just not the greatest thing for me and having a physical conversation just not happening either.

Just caught the last comment, Yes I just may look into an app for that.

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RE: Conversation - 10/9/2014 6:34:51 PM   
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I like texting. I prefer it to phone calls, which I have always avoided. Something about talking into some sort of weird device attached to my ear has always, since long before cell phones, seemed distant to me. So texting (and other forms of communication such as email) now allows me to actually keep in touch with people that I used to avoid calling. And yes, I carry on entire conversations through text with numerous people.

So, with that background, personally, I would see your statement as an opening to a conversation.

I wonder. If you were to say that same statement in person to your friend, would he respond? And if he did respond, would he respond kindly? If so, then I don't see why saying it via text would be any different. However, I am certain that there are some in my life that would view that type of statement as a complaint or a cry for attention and I might not be so indulged, in either text or in person, unless they are in the mood to indulge me. So while I do believe what you said could be a conversation starter, your friend might be just as correct in viewing it differently.

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RE: Conversation - 10/9/2014 7:45:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaliko

I like texting. I prefer it to phone calls, which I have always avoided. Something about talking into some sort of weird device attached to my ear has always, since long before cell phones, seemed distant to me. So texting (and other forms of communication such as email) now allows me to actually keep in touch with people that I used to avoid calling. And yes, I carry on entire conversations through text with numerous people.

So, with that background, personally, I would see your statement as an opening to a conversation.

I wonder. If you were to say that same statement in person to your friend, would he respond? And if he did respond, would he respond kindly? If so, then I don't see why saying it via text would be any different. However, I am certain that there are some in my life that would view that type of statement as a complaint or a cry for attention and I might not be so indulged, in either text or in person, unless they are in the mood to indulge me. So while I do believe what you said could be a conversation starter, your friend might be just as correct in viewing it differently.



^ I agree with this exactly. I much prefer written ways of communicating. I hate talking on the phone.

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RE: Conversation - 10/10/2014 2:18:49 AM   
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Three's a charm. I love texting, and it took me a few years before I overcame a mental block of sorts (happens frequently with us older folks when it comes to anything high-tech). Once I started - and I've always been a letter-writing person and not a phone person whatsoever (necessary evil) - I became hooked very quickly. My sons have told me that nobody they know sends long text messages like I do, 3 screens' worth on average, unless it's a quick exchange. I treat it like having an abbreviated conversation. My teenager is a stickler for completely spelled out words and so my texts annoy him to no end. It didn't take me long to resort to textspeak; less keystrokes are just more practical.

Over the past year I haven't been texting nearly as much as I used to as when I had my sub. I texted him instructions daily, and it was the perfect way to keep in touch during the day while he was busy at work. Neither one of us had to be concerned with having our naughty conversational content overheard. Considering that we could only get together on the weekends, it was both exciting and romantic for us to be carrying on our private D/s dynamic publicly in the presence of, and right under the noses of, unsuspecting others. Can't wait until I start up again with another sub under consideration, partly to see whether he'll be able to pass my erotic texting test.

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RE: Conversation - 10/10/2014 2:27:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: shiftyw


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaliko

I like texting. I prefer it to phone calls, which I have always avoided. Something about talking into some sort of weird device attached to my ear has always, since long before cell phones, seemed distant to me. So texting (and other forms of communication such as email) now allows me to actually keep in touch with people that I used to avoid calling. And yes, I carry on entire conversations through text with numerous people.

So, with that background, personally, I would see your statement as an opening to a conversation.

I wonder. If you were to say that same statement in person to your friend, would he respond? And if he did respond, would he respond kindly? If so, then I don't see why saying it via text would be any different. However, I am certain that there are some in my life that would view that type of statement as a complaint or a cry for attention and I might not be so indulged, in either text or in person, unless they are in the mood to indulge me. So while I do believe what you said could be a conversation starter, your friend might be just as correct in viewing it differently.



^ I agree with this exactly. I much prefer written ways of communicating. I hate talking on the phone.


I go both ways on this depending on the situation. Often, via text and email, I can multi-task (i.e. watch a show and text or listen to music and write), where during a phone conversation, I need to devote my focus to the conversation (although I frequently do things like wash dishes while on the phone).

There are people I text with just to touch base here and there, and often just to tell them something that requires no response, but I wanted to tell them before I forgot. Other times, I will be texting with someone and it gets tedious (that typing with thumbs thing is horrible!), so I will just call them because it is quicker and easier.

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