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PeonForHer -> Theft in the Mail (10/11/2014 2:39:14 PM)

I've been sending my six nieces and nephews money for their birthdays for some years now. I've come to realise that not one of them, ever, has even acknowledged them, never mind thanked me.

This can only be because the cards, with their contents, have been stolen before they've reached their intended recipients by the evil thieving postmen and women. The only other possibility is that my nephews and nieces have received their cards and presents but have been too pig-ignorant, lazy, self-centered and ill-mannered to have to responded to them - which of course is impossible, considering how lovely, sweet-natured and saintly their parents consistently reassure me that they are.

So, sadly, I am forced to send no more presents to my nieces and nephews, since these only end up in the hands of bandits working for the Post Office.

Has anyone else been forced to the same lamentable conclusion?





MercTech -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/12/2014 11:51:35 AM)

The solution is to send a post card saying that since, obviously, they have never received gifts sent that you are making a charitable donation in there name so that there gift is karma points that can't be stolen.

<smirk>




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/12/2014 12:07:02 PM)

I have suffered the same fate over the years.
However, I came to the opposite conclusion... ie; that my nephews and nieces have received their cards and presents but have been too pig-ignorant, lazy, self-centered and ill-mannered to have to responded to them and that their parents are telling porkies. [:D]




InHisHeart -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/12/2014 12:21:36 PM)

I like MercTech's idea. Not calling or sending a thank you note is extremely rude and I would also stop sending them gifts. I'm a bitch like that. [:@] I've seen so many kids (not all but many) these days lack simple manners and feel they're entitled.




cyprian -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/12/2014 12:27:08 PM)

I agree with MercTech. I tend to place a bit of the blame on the parents who haven't taught their kids basic manners.




caprika -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/12/2014 12:44:55 PM)

It's 2014, and blame is often misplaced on more recent generations for being lazy or "stupid". They live in a different world than a lot of us did when we were young, especially when it comes to using the mail to send a "Thank You" card back. All that information is at their fingertips, and with video calling, often times people are either a visible, tangible part of life or they aren't, sorry.

I send my niece and nephew gifts, and I usually call and talk to them on the occasions. Sometimes (usually actually), my sister will have them call and say thank you, but not always. For example, my brother-in-law works 100+ hours a week, and a newborn and young child are a handful on special days even more than others with parties and such. I love my sister, but we're not best friends or anything, so being a priority on her or her kids' lists isn't something I expect.

My question would be, what's the point in sending something in good nature if you're only then expecting some measurement back? I think gratitude is great and teaches an important virtue; however, the OP does seem a bit bitter, as many of the responses do, regarding their personal relationships with relatives.




PeonForHer -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/12/2014 12:50:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: caprika
My question would be, what's the point in sending something in good nature if you're only then expecting some measurement back? I think gratitude is great and teaches an important virtue; however, the OP does seem a bit bitter, as many of the responses do, regarding their personal relationships with relatives.


I was surprised to see only one response that was along these lines. Yes, frigging right I'm bitter. However, I won't be when I stop sending them gifts. Problem solved! [:)]




caprika -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/12/2014 1:02:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: caprika
My question would be, what's the point in sending something in good nature if you're only then expecting some measurement back? I think gratitude is great and teaches an important virtue; however, the OP does seem a bit bitter, as many of the responses do, regarding their personal relationships with relatives.


I was surprised to see only one response that was along these lines. Yes, frigging right I'm bitter. However, I won't be when I stop sending them gifts. Problem solved! [:)]



That won't help you and you know it. The reason you sent the first gift is still the same. You've simply realized other realities regarding the relationship between you and that part of your family. Have you told the parents how you feel about the snub? Are they even acutely aware that it bugs you? And if you did, and then you went off of speaking terms with them, would that really change whether or not you send gifts or money to your nieces and nephews?

Kids only get to be kids once. It's not a perfect world. Some will grow up to be horrible people, but a lot of them won't. I think family is important, regardless of small differences like this (although I would severe ties that cause serious emotional or physical damage). Is your embitterment over a 'Thank You' causing you that much mental distress? I'd suppose only you could answer that for yourself; certainly not me or anyone else on here.




PeonForHer -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/12/2014 1:29:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: caprika
That won't help you and you know it.


Nup. It will help me. Actually, it already has helped me.

'Mental distress'. Oh lord, no. Bitterness, yes - but that's over with now that I've reached my resolution. Honestly, Caprika, I know where you're coming from and where you want to go with your views, here. Thanks all the same for contributing, though. [;)]




DesFIP -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/12/2014 4:37:04 PM)

No, no. You need to send a new gift, thank you notes and a book of stamps!
I find this is worse when the parents are divorced and the giver is a member of the ex's family.




sloguy02246 -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/12/2014 5:42:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

No, no. You need to send a new gift, thank you notes and a book of stamps!
I find this is worse when the parents are divorced and the giver is a member of the ex's family.



That's an excellent - and much more positive - solution.

This reminds me of a local newspaper columnist who recently wrote about his 18 year-old daughter who literally did not know where to buy postage stamps, how much they cost, or how to actually mail something. (So far in her life, mail has only been something you receive, not send.)
Just all part of the electronic, social media world kids are raised in today.




Kaliko -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/12/2014 6:13:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246

This reminds me of a local newspaper columnist who recently wrote about his 18 year-old daughter who literally did not know where to buy postage stamps, how much they cost, or how to actually mail something. (So far in her life, mail has only been something you receive, not send.)
Just all part of the electronic, social media world kids are raised in today.



People just like to bitch about how things aren't the way they want them to be anymore. And still, the world moves on.




servantforuse -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/12/2014 6:22:04 PM)

I would have stopped sending them gifts long ago. I had the same thing happen with my niece. She even asked me once why I didn't send here the usual card with $20 enclosed. I actually enjoyed telling her that I didn't think she appreciated it as I never received a single thank you.




Kirata -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/13/2014 12:04:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

So, sadly, I am forced to send no more presents to my nieces and nephews, since these only end up in the hands of bandits working for the Post Office.

Amusingly put. But if you like them, and if you enjoy knowing that pulling a twenty out of a birthday card will put a smile on their faces, what does it matter whether or not they display good manners and extend you the gratitude you feel due, unless obtaining that was part of your motive, in which case you were trading, not giving, and after being repeatedly stung you decided you're not going to "give" them anything anymore. As an alternative, you might consider starting.

K.







shallowdeep -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/13/2014 12:11:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
This can only be because the cards, with their contents, have been stolen before they've reached their intended recipients by the evil thieving postmen and women. The only other possibility is…
Well, there actually are other explanations besides outright theft. :)

More seriously, and somewhat coincidently, I was talking about something similar with my mom just a few days ago. My grandfather would always send me and my siblings birthday cards, right on time, with a check and (perhaps even more exciting!) with the postage paid using an assortment of old stamps chosen such that their archaically diminutive denominations summed to precisely cover the current first-class rate. The stamps were affixed to the envelope in patterns carefully designed to minimize cancellation marks. I loved getting these birthday cards – to the point that I developed a minor interest in philately for a while. Despite this, I don’t believe I ever sent a thank you card in return and, while I’m pretty sure I do remember briefly expressing appreciation over the phone a few times, I think a number of the cards went without any acknowledgment being communicated.

In the recent conversation with my mother, I was mentioning how guilty I felt about this in retrospect. I asked if she had encouraged us kids to send some sort of thank you. She replied that she had, but that we hadn’t shown much interest in doing so. She didn’t want to force us to, because she didn’t want us to resent the act of saying thank you. This was a philosophy her mother had apparently also applied when raising my mother and her siblings, apparently due in part to my grandmother remembering feeling anything but gratitude while being forced to write out proper thank you notes for gifts as a child.

While still feeling more than a little embarrassed by my childish lack of manners, I decided my mom had a point as I mulled it over. Obviously, receiving a thank you is wonderful, and not getting one can be just as disappointing as receiving one is delightful. I really regret not sending any to my grandfather before it was too late to do so. Still, I’m not sure that teaching a child that a thank you is some sort of pro forma courtesy, done only because it is required by society, and not because it is heartfelt, is necessarily a great solution.

Not sending thanks was, admittedly, selfish of me. But it honestly was an unconscious self-centeredness. As a kid, not communicating an acknowledgment wasn’t quite the same as not acknowledging the gifts. I was genuinely thrilled to receive the cards, carefully hand addressed to me (with the title of Master, no less!), in the mail each year. Each time I received them, I would think about my grandfather and, in my mind, these were very happy thoughts of acknowledgement indeed. Even ignoring the fact that I didn’t really know how to mail a letter to reply, the idea that he might not realize how happy and grateful the cards made me without me telling him simply wasn’t a concept that crossed my mind at the time. I’m not sure this is something that could have simply been explained to me and understood as a kid – I think it may take some time to develop that empathy.

In any event, my grandfather never complained about my lack of gratitude, and the cards came like clockwork each year. He did eventually get a chance to see the small stamp collection he had inspired – with every stamp he had sent carefully steamed off the envelope and proudly displayed toward the front of the album – and I like to think he understood, despite my rude silence, how appreciated the cards and checks were.

Today, I keep nice paper, envelopes, postage stamps, and even some sealing wax on hand because I know how nice it can be, perhaps especially in the digital age, to receive a thoughtful physical letter. That is, in no small measure, thanks to my grandfather and his patient benevolence with me.

I don’t have any nieces or nephews but, if any should appear, I like to think I’d be equally patient with them and see any cards and gifts I would send as that, gifts – things given with no expectation in return, only a hope of sharing some joy that others once shared with me. Of course, it’s quite possible that’s just because I have a lot of embarrassingly selfish behavior in my childhood to make up for… :)




Dvr22999874 -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/13/2014 12:37:07 AM)

I'm with you peon...................when I was a kid, as soon as we received presents from anybody, my mother would sit us down with pen and paper to write a thank you letter, no matter how mean and miserable the gift was and how little we appreciated it..................the hard part was the fact that the price of the stamps were deducted from our pocket money ( the mean auld bitch she was indaid) but it had to be done the next day at the latest or we didn't GET any pocket money that week. I'm sure that's a form of extortion and against the child labour laws !!!




Dvr22999874 -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/13/2014 12:39:33 AM)

I once received a toy tractor that was made in Germany and when I pulled it apart (as kids do) it was made out of an old Tate and Lyle golden syrup can. I had to write a thank you letter for that. I did without pocket money that week as a form of protest




PeonForHer -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/13/2014 6:01:53 AM)

FR

Thanks for the thoughtful responses, noble forumeers! DesFip's idea, supported by SloGuy, of sending books of stamps and stationery. This reminds of when I was an undergrad and had no phone. I was pretty poor at contacting my parents. My mother sent me a letter once containing a SAE and a piece of notepaper on the top of which she'd written, 'Dear Mum'. Yep, I got the message. In the Days of Yore before mobile phones and before most could even afford landlines it must have been particularly worrying for a parent whose kid has just flown the roost if said kid was slack at keeping contact.

ServantforUse, yes - I can imagine that feeling of pleasure at telling a kid why he/she no longer receives the $20 dollars you once sent by habit. Only a smug moraliser would argue that it should never grate that you don't receive thanks for gifts you've sent. I think it came to the crunch for me on my oldest nephew's 18th: his mother put out the word that he wanted a £800 Ipad to take to university, and 'Could we all contribute?' I didn't. This was too much. My father and mother did, though - a couple of hundred each - and they're both quietly fuming now because neither got any thanks at any time and by any medium. The nephew concerned is too busy posting enthusiastically to neonazi websites, apparently.

Dvr and others: Oh yes, thank you *letters*. Yes, I remember the pain of that. [;)] But as Kaliko says, times move on. Phone calls, emails, even texts - these all work for me.

Shallowdeep: thanks very much for your particularly considered post.

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Not sending thanks was, admittedly, selfish of me. But it honestly was an unconscious self-centeredness. As a kid, not communicating an acknowledgment wasn’t quite the same as not acknowledging the gifts. I was genuinely thrilled to receive the cards, carefully hand addressed to me (with the title of Master, no less!), in the mail each year. Each time I received them, I would think about my grandfather and, in my mind, these were very happy thoughts of acknowledgement indeed. Even ignoring the fact that I didn’t really know how to mail a letter to reply, the idea that he might not realize how happy and grateful the cards made me without me telling him simply wasn’t a concept that crossed my mind at the time. I’m not sure this is something that could have simply been explained to me and understood as a kid – I think it may take some time to develop that empathy.


Yes. There is that. I understand - and remember from experience, natch - that kids need to develop the required 'empathy circuit' that enables them to understand that having the feeling isn't identical with communicating it. With the younger nieces and nephews, I'm happy just to get an acknowledgement from one of the relevant parents. This is not least because things actually do get stolen in the post. We're routinely told here not to put cash in letters but we all just as routinely ignore this advice when sending birthday cards to kids. This because we all remember how good it was to receive such cards along with their enclosures. Unfortunately, the thieves also know this.

Hmm. re Kaliko's comment that times move on - I've just thought of another way of extracting thanks from them. I phone them up on their birthdays/Christmas and ask for their bank account details so that I can do direct transfers to their accounts online. Well, I might consider it. Possibly.




Kaliko -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/13/2014 7:20:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Hmm. re Kaliko's comment that times move on - I've just thought of another way of extracting thanks from them. I phone them up on their birthdays/Christmas and ask for their bank account details so that I can do direct transfers to their accounts online. Well, I might consider it. Possibly.


Bank account info? How 2009. PayPal, Peon. Jeez.


And, I do hope it was clear that I was only referring to the medium used for thanks. Yes, indeed, there should be thanks somehow, someway. I wouldn't be fussed, though, if it weren't with a paper and stamp, even though personally I love correspondence like that.




ShaharThorne -> RE: Theft in the Mail (10/14/2014 1:40:49 AM)

I pay for Lizard's cell phone bill each month. I did instill in her some matters (other adult friends helped out) and she can't afford thank-you cards but she does call me up and thank me for helping her with the bill. I got her b'day present on the printer that she has been begging for (my Gods, she will be 20 in February...no wonder I got grey hairs) and she already thank me for it. When she gets more established in her work, she says she will pay me back.




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