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kkaliforniaa -> Genealogy (10/11/2014 7:05:27 PM)

Okay. So not really related to anything on here, but it has become an interest at the moment.. I am currently stuck on people who emigrated to the U.S. around the 1900s and traveled by themselves. How do you go about finding more information about those people? In some cases, it's kind of like, wherever you throw a rock, you'll hit someone with the same last name *hahahaha*. Other times, you have a last name that could be spelled any number of ways.

One person that I'm working on, I think may have been a pharmacist. I have a passenger manifest that mentions the last city they lived in [Harbin, China], but the question becomes, around the 1900s, in Asia [Russia is still in Asia, weirdly enough], did people have to go to school to be pharmacists? And if they did, do you think people would have gone to Chinese medical schools, rather than Russian ones [because if you look at a map, Russia is HUGE!!].. I looked at some medical schools in Russia that seemed to be around in the 1900s, but the distance to Harbin was HUGE! If a person emigrated from Japan, wouldn't it make sense that they chose a school in that area, otherwise they could have emigrated via France or Germany




DarkSteven -> RE: Genealogy (10/11/2014 9:38:10 PM)

The best genealogical records are kept by the Mormon church. That said, their records for Russia and China will be poor because they don't have missionaries over there.




kkaliforniaa -> RE: Genealogy (10/11/2014 9:40:14 PM)

Meh? Even records for people who aren't Mormon? That seems strange. I don't doubt what you say, just.. It's like birds and bees getting busy. You won't believe it until you see it *hahahhahaa*




windchymes -> RE: Genealogy (10/11/2014 10:19:09 PM)

One thing to consider is that 100 years ago, the definition of what "pharmacist" was and actually did might be very different from what it is in this day and age, and we didn't have gazillions of medications like we do now. He may have been what we now call an herbalist, or the equivalent of a 'medicine man', and could have studied or apprenticed under a Chinese medicine practitioner. Just a guess.

And Chinese medical schools were WAY different than Western schools. You know, energy points and vortices, chi, meridians, acupuncture, etc.




MercTech -> RE: Genealogy (10/12/2014 1:02:10 PM)

If you are talking the early part of the 20th century; a pharmacist might well have done an apprenticeship and not attended a university.

As late as 1930s; a physician could be licensed after an apprenticeship with a licensed physician in many jurisdictions.

If they were in Harbin, China, going downriver by boat would have them in Vladivostock, Russia which has been a gigantic seaport for centuries. There is still a huge amount of maritime traffic between Vladivostok and seaports in Vancouver, BC, Seatle, WA, San Franciscto, CA, and Long Beach, CA.




DarkSteven -> RE: Genealogy (10/12/2014 11:06:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

Meh? Even records for people who aren't Mormon? That seems strange. I don't doubt what you say, just.. It's like birds and bees getting busy. You won't believe it until you see it *hahahhahaa*


Yep. Once they have missionaries in a location, they scour the church, cemetery, etc. records.

One reason is that they offer posthumous baptisms of ancestors, to make them Mormon, for an additional fee. They're also fascinated by geneology.




ShaharThorne -> RE: Genealogy (10/13/2014 12:13:37 AM)

My grandmother on my dad's side was Mormon so it is possible for the LDS system having Dad and we kids in the system. My brother follows the LDS way while I went from being Southern Baptist to Paganism.




MasterCaneman -> RE: Genealogy (10/13/2014 7:44:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven


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ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

Meh? Even records for people who aren't Mormon? That seems strange. I don't doubt what you say, just.. It's like birds and bees getting busy. You won't believe it until you see it *hahahhahaa*


Yep. Once they have missionaries in a location, they scour the church, cemetery, etc. records.

One reason is that they offer posthumous baptisms of ancestors, to make them Mormon, for an additional fee. They're also fascinated by geneology.


Correct, except for the 'small fee' part. I lived in SLC for a number of years, and I knew LDS folks who, when they were younger, had to 'stand-in' for deceased people being baptized into the church. They have a simple goal, which apparently makes sense to them: if everyone who's passed away is a Mormon, they'll all go the Heaven. It doesn't matter to them what religion they lived under, once they die, they're automatically entered into the pool, and they have volunteers willing to take the dunking for them.

If anyone gets the chance, do visit the Genealogy Library downtown. It's right across the street from Temple Square, and they folks there can dig up amazing things about your family, as long as you have a solid lead on paternal and maternal grandparents.




windchymes -> RE: Genealogy (10/13/2014 7:50:49 AM)

And if anyone is seriously into genealogy and just starting out, the site FamilySearch.org is a great resource. It operates a lot like Ancestry but has records that Ancestry does not, and vice versa. And it's FREE, unlike Ancestry.




kkaliforniaa -> RE: Genealogy (10/13/2014 8:20:39 AM)

Now I want to go to Salt Lake City!! The things that can be found in old records!! Although I just uncovered about a dozen relatives just from one census [well it was a starting point, but.. ..]




kkaliforniaa -> RE: Genealogy (11/2/2014 11:17:12 PM)

Any advice on finding people who seemed to have disappeared.. 50 years ago? I've used familysearch and ancestry, looked through newspapers where they once lived, but nothing for 50 years, not even a death certificate [I think a lot of information is time sensitive, it won't be released until ## years later, like the census].. To make it even more difficult, all close relatives were either too young to have really thought about asking questions, or, chose to lie about their family history [and are now dead] *shrug*




xTightlylacedx -> RE: Genealogy (11/4/2014 10:04:02 AM)

I've used the the Mormon site (Family Search) and had great success with it. The best part of that site is the ability to map your family tree, and it will bring the research that other people have done, into your tree. That can save you a lot of time. The only draw back from using that site is the religious part of it. My family is descended from minor European nobility, which is very well documented, but someone's wishful thinking has one branch descended from Joseph of Aramathea. Yeah right. So, you just have to confirm your results with some other reference if possible.




xTightlylacedx -> RE: Genealogy (11/4/2014 10:14:32 AM)

Another possible source of information is Findagrave.com. Graves often list spouses, parents or children, and that would be a good way to confirm you have the right person. Good luck.




BlueCatLaughing -> RE: Genealogy (11/4/2014 11:34:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: windchymes

And if anyone is seriously into genealogy and just starting out, the site FamilySearch.org is a great resource. It operates a lot like Ancestry but has records that Ancestry does not, and vice versa. And it's FREE, unlike Ancestry.


Ancestry gave me very little information, nothing beyond my parents. FamilySearch was able to go back three generations which is where I've gotten stuck lol. Apparently those ancestors were sent over as very young children from England, 5 & 8 years old so I'm having trouble getting further back.

And yes despite no one in any family line being Mormon they too had more information than Ancestry.




MrRodgers -> RE: Genealogy (11/5/2014 1:43:29 AM)

I am not sure just how he did it but my father bought a paperback from a group that published books entitled with last names. But that only took us back to the early 1800's.

But from there he used that to get at least to his family coming from Ireland to Va. in the early 1600's. I wish I knew who he consulted so I could continue.

Did find out that a woman from our family was elected to statewide office in the 1840's and that my great grandfather was a bugler in Custer's Mich. volunteer cavalry at Gettysburg but no more. Check through a few pages at Google and see what you can find.




windchymes -> RE: Genealogy (11/5/2014 7:07:05 AM)

If you're really serious about genealogy, you'll find that you have to dig and search and cross-reference, and no one book or website has all the information that may be out there. Websites like Ancestry, FamilySearch, Archives, Fold3, GenealogyBank, etc. are only as helpful as contributors have made them. If you can get all the way back to the early 1800's, and document it, you're done well. All the websites are continuing works in progress and NONE of them are complete. And you only get out of them what you put into them, and sometimes you just have to work for it.

Fold3 is supposed to be a treasure trove of military records, but I found nothing about the person I was looking for. I did find his complete records in Ancestry, in Marine Corps Musters (forget the exact name of the file), from boot camp at Parris Island, through his ordinance training and certifications in various places, to being shipped to Korea in 1952, to where he got his leg blown off by a land mine and was medivac'd (think MASH!) out to Japan and then back to the US to a rehab hospital in Oakland, to his medical discharge. That was a gold mine for me. But I only found that he ended up earning a Master's Degree in Educational Psychology at the Univ. of Illinois Champaign-Urbana and spent the rest of his life helping the disabled by a random Google hit.

Same person, all my digging had narrowed down the search to what I thought were two different men, where all the information matched except his date of birth. The one on a tombstone that I found in FindAGrave didn't match the one in other records I had. Name, date of death, and Marine Corps rank were the same, but the date of birth was different from the other records I had found. There was a seven-month discrepency that drove me nuts for a year. When I finally found the military record in Ancestry, the Social Security number there matched the one in the SS Death Index--you can Google that site--which meant that somehow, the military got the wrong date of birth for his headstone, and this was the man I had been looking for all along.

Some people didn't leave paper trails, and many of the lower classes didn't. They may not have filed for Social Security, they may have moved around a lot and missed being counted in a census, they might have been in prison, they might have been involved in illegal activities and "disappeared". Until recently, all records like birth, marriage, divorce and death certificates, and the censuses were done manually, hand-written, and a LOT of names get misspelled, changed, written illegibly, people use their middle names instead of first names, and you'll find the same name in the same neighborhoods, so you need a date of birth if you can get one and hope it's correct. Good luck with that one, lol. A LOT of mistakes and typos are in records, handwriting could be hard to read, and the ones transcribing it into a permanent record spelled things wrong, so you have to be on the alert for that. I couldn't find my grandmother Olga's marriage cert., until I dug in and found that they had it listed as "Alta". I had to look under the husband's name and compare her date of birth before I found the mistake. Also, a lot of people were buried in unmarked graves, so sometimes you have to go to the cemetery itself and look through their records to find the grave itself.

My point is, if all you do is type a name into a website search and cry because you didn't find what you wanted right away, or you think the site is no good, you should probably just walk away from the whole idea of tracing your family history on your own. You have to use ALL the sites and you'll need to get down in the trenches, visit libraries and courthouses and cemeteries, even talk to elderly family members or neighbors. Or you could pay somebody to do it for you. I know people who have worked on family history for decades and are still working. If you're really serious about it, it's not for the faint-hearted or for those looking for a quick and happy ending. Genealogy is HARD WORK. If you're really serious, see if your public library has a genealogy section and trained employees to help you. I learned a LOT from mine




windchymes -> RE: Genealogy (11/5/2014 7:14:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BlueCatLaughing


And yes despite no one in any family line being Mormon they too had more information than Ancestry.



FamilySearch isn't a "Mormon" site. Since the LDS church is very big on genealogy, their goal is to get ALL the records they can, not just Mormons. Because they never know who might join their church and start looking for their own non-Mormon ancestors.

I'm grateful to them for the hard work they've done compiling the records and opening the site up to the public for free.




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