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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 6:00:25 AM   
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Singapore was one of the few places I never managed to get to.
But from what you're saying, I wouldn't want to go there if spitting while you speak is commonplace.



I bet it's been happening but you never felt it! Clearly when spit lands on your face, it's like 0.00001mm, really really tiny bit, but I am sensitive and I can feel it.

But you can be sure it's pristine and cleaner than UK here :). And spitters do get in trouble, intentional spitters.


I can feel the very slightest bit of moisture in the air that a lot of people don't even notice.
I can honestly say that I have not met people (except one) who spit while they talk and I have never once had to wipe anything from my face after a conversation - except lipstick from a smudgy kiss!
It must be unique to your locality that people don't mind their manners or it's the type of people you converse with.


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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 6:50:53 AM   
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Every time you speak, a minute amount of saliva is expelled from the mouth, with some it is readily noticeable, others not so much. It is due to the fact to make sound we have to expel air.

Now there is two versions of airborne in reference to a virus.

1) The virus itself can be transmitted through the air after saliva or water fluid it was in when expelled from the body has stopped traveling. This means that some viruses will live for up to days on a dry surface.

2) The virus in question is expelled on liquids expelled from the body during a sneeze or cough, the virus cannot survive long once the fluid dries.

Ebola is suspected to fall into the second category. Why no virus researcher has confirmed this, it stands to reason that it is happening. This outbreak has spread faster and further than any previous outbreak and killed more than all previous outbreaks combined.

Now the medical personnel in the field and in most US hospitals use a bio suit similar to this:

The second is the only bio suit that ensures almost zero possibility of infection.







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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 9:12:25 AM   
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The second is the only bio suit that ensures almost zero possibility of infection.






How much do these suits cost? I think I'll buy one and wear it all the time, just in case.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 9:20:50 AM   
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It seems there's quite a selection available.

There's also an Ebola virus protection kit for sale. And even caps and t-shirts with the biohazard symbol.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 9:49:36 AM   
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Just in case you all thought Ebola was the only real menace, please note the following:


The family Arenaviridae include the viruses responsible for Lassa fever, Lujo virus, Argentine, Bolivian, Brazilian and Venezuelan hemorrhagic fevers.
The family Bunyaviridae include the members of the Hantavirus genus that cause hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome (HFRS), the Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever (CCHF) virus from the Nairovirus genus, Garissa virus and Ilesha virus from the Orthobunyavirus and the Rift Valley fever (RVF) virus from the Phlebovirus genus.
The family Filoviridae include Ebola virus and Marburg virus.
The family Flaviviridae include dengue, yellow fever, and two viruses in the tick-borne encephalitis group that cause VHF: Omsk hemorrhagic fever virus and Kyasanur Forest disease virus.
In September 2012 scientists writing in the journal PLOS Pathogens reported the isolation of a member of the Rhabdoviridae responsible for 2 fatal and 2 non-fatal cases of hemorrhagic fever in the Bas-Congo district of the Democratic Republic of Congo. The non-fatal cases occurred in healthcare workers involved in the treatment of the other two, suggesting the possibility of person-to-person transmission.[1] This virus appears to be unrelated to previously known Rhabdoviruses.

All of these are hemorrhagic fevers, like Ebola, they occur all over the planet (including the US) and some make you wish you had caught ebola and all the known STD's instead.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 10:24:20 AM   
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Oh well. I guess we all gotta go sometime.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 10:34:07 AM   
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Good post jeff.
The thing is, I have yet to hear it"officially confirmed" that the Ebola virus can be transmitted through the air.
That is one of the big questions.
We all have a right to be concerned.



If it can't be why are people who have been exposed advised not to ride the bus, take airplanes, or go other places with lots of people?


Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
It certainly appears that there is some element of air transmission involved, but has it been stated ANYWHERE in the mainstream media?



This article touches on the subject and makes a lot of sense. Thought you might enjoy it.

http://mitchalbom.com/d/journalism/26793/fastest-part-ebola-spread-fear-it

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 10:56:32 AM   
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http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/man-infected-ebola-misinformation-casual-contact-cable-news?intcid=mod-most-popular

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 10:56:45 AM   
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Yes there is air transmission and it is not any sort of amazing or secret thing, you cough, you sneeze, (bodily fluids) the droplets are in the air, and it has a 'shelf life' of around two hours, it falls on your clothing, you then touch it somehow.... and so on and so forth.




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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 5:57:09 PM   
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http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/man-infected-ebola-misinformation-casual-contact-cable-news?intcid=mod-most-popular



lol now that's some scary shit.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 8:43:29 PM   
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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/17/2014 11:05:05 PM   
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Good post jeff.
The thing is, I have yet to hear it"officially confirmed" that the Ebola virus can be transmitted through the air.
That is one of the big questions.
We all have a right to be concerned.





Well a group of researchers believe otherwise.

In August, Science magazine published a survey conducted by 58 medical professionals working in African epidemiology. They traced the origin and spread of the virus with remarkable precision—for instance, they discovered that it crossed the border from Guinea into Sierra Leone at the funeral of a “traditional healer” who had treated Ebola victims. In just the first six months of tracking the virus, the team identified more than 100 mutated forms of it.




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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/18/2014 2:25:09 AM   
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Good post jeff.
The thing is, I have yet to hear it"officially confirmed" that the Ebola virus can be transmitted through the air.
That is one of the big questions.
We all have a right to be concerned.

Well a group of researchers believe otherwise.

In August, Science magazine published a survey conducted by 58 medical professionals working in African epidemiology. They traced the origin and spread of the virus with remarkable precision—for instance, they discovered that it crossed the border from Guinea into Sierra Leone at the funeral of a “traditional healer” who had treated Ebola victims. In just the first six months of tracking the virus, the team identified more than 100 mutated forms of it.


Your really not answering his question.....

Here is where Marini might have gotten the idea:

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"If you bring two doctors who happen to have that specialty (Ebola) into a room, one will say, 'No, it will never become airborne, but it could mutate so it would be harder to discover.' Another doctor will say, 'If it continues to mutate at the rate it's mutating, and we go from 20,000 infected to 100,000, the population might allow it to mutate and become airborne, and then it will be a serious problem.' I don't know who is right." -- Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told CNN.


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Ebola isn't transmitted through the air. It is transmitted through direct contact by bodily fluids with an Ebola-infected person showing symptoms of the disease.

A mutation such as the kind Dempsey describes "would be exceedingly rare" in one epidemic, said Edward C. Holmes of Marie Bashir Institute for Infectious Diseases and Biosecurity at the University of Sydney.

"It happens over evolutionary time, millions of years," Holmes said. "This idea that it takes one or two of those mutations and 'Wham!' you pick up airborne transmission, that is way too simplistic."


The link in 'Answer' above should help understand some of the other misconceptions being leveled to the public.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/18/2014 10:57:05 AM   
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Good post jeff.
The thing is, I have yet to hear it"officially confirmed" that the Ebola virus can be transmitted through the air.
That is one of the big questions.
We all have a right to be concerned.

Well a group of researchers believe otherwise.

In August, Science magazine published a survey conducted by 58 medical professionals working in African epidemiology. They traced the origin and spread of the virus with remarkable precision—for instance, they discovered that it crossed the border from Guinea into Sierra Leone at the funeral of a “traditional healer” who had treated Ebola victims. In just the first six months of tracking the virus, the team identified more than 100 mutated forms of it.


Your really not answering his question.....

Here is where Marini might have gotten the idea:

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"If you bring two doctors who happen to have that specialty (Ebola) into a room, one will say, 'No, it will never become airborne, but it could mutate so it would be harder to discover.' Another doctor will say, 'If it continues to mutate at the rate it's mutating, and we go from 20,000 infected to 100,000, the population might allow it to mutate and become airborne, and then it will be a serious problem.' I don't know who is right." -- Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told CNN.


And the Answer:
quote:


Ebola isn't transmitted through the air. It is transmitted through direct contact by bodily fluids with an Ebola-infected person showing symptoms of the disease.

A mutation such as the kind Dempsey describes "would be exceedingly rare" in one epidemic, said Edward C. Holmes of Marie Bashir Institute for Infectious Diseases and Biosecurity at the University of Sydney.

"It happens over evolutionary time, millions of years," Holmes said. "This idea that it takes one or two of those mutations and 'Wham!' you pick up airborne transmission, that is way too simplistic."


The link in 'Answer' above should help understand some of the other misconceptions being leveled to the public.



It depends on if it is the Zaire strain or the Reston strain.


Last month, the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy published an article arguing that the current Ebola has “unclear modes of transmission” and that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks.”

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/18/2014 11:13:15 AM   
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It depends on if it is the Zaire strain or the Reston strain.


Last month, the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy published an article arguing that the current Ebola has “unclear modes of transmission” and that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks.”


Meaning bodily fluids in the air.

And I believe I covered the respirator point when I showed the differences in bio hazard suits.

I would also like to point out that in a US customs quarantine building for imported animals in Maryland, the agents contacted the nearest facility to deal with something killing monkeys. The facility was Fort Dietrich, which discovered the monkeys were dieing from ebola.

No big deal until monkeys in a separate unit in the facility began to die from the same strain. That particular strain had gone airborne, it had not made the species jump.

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Ebola has 4 distinct subtypes: Ebola-Zaire, Ebola-Sudan, Ebola-Ivory Coast, and Ebola-Reston, a form that causes illness in nonhuman primates, and as has been recently discovered, in pigs.[2] A 2007 Ebola outbreak in Uganda, however, has been attributed to a new form of Ebola. This new Ebola subtype, which appears to be closely related to Ebola-Ivory Coast, has been given the proposed name Bundibugyo Ebola virus (named after the Bundibugyo district in Western Uganda).[3]

CBRNE - Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers

And people think I am crazy for saying the world will not collapse due to economics, nuclear war, it will collapse become some dip shit idiot is going to go into some are west of east bumfuck and cage a virus that makes Ebola look like a mild cold.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/18/2014 11:50:28 AM   
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It depends on if it is the Zaire strain or the Reston strain.

You obviously haven't read the whole thread.

I stated "The virus causing the 2014 west African outbreak belongs to the Zaire species" in post#15.


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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/18/2014 6:25:58 PM   
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It depends on if it is the Zaire strain or the Reston strain.


It definitely isn't the Reston strain. That has never been seen outside of the one group of monkeys.

Some checking indicates this outbreak is the Zaire strain.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/18/2014 8:53:07 PM   
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It depends on if it is the Zaire strain or the Reston strain.

You obviously haven't read the whole thread.

I stated "The virus causing the 2014 west African outbreak belongs to the Zaire species" in post#15.



Interesting, so we are dealing with the Zaire species.
I wonder how fast it is mutating?
I wonder if anyone knows how long it lasts when airborne?

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/18/2014 9:01:47 PM   
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It depends on if it is the Zaire strain or the Reston strain.

You obviously haven't read the whole thread.

I stated "The virus causing the 2014 west African outbreak belongs to the Zaire species" in post#15.



Interesting, so we are dealing with the Zaire species.
I wonder how fast it is mutating?
I wonder if anyone knows how long it lasts when airborne?

It cannot become airborne. How many different times does this have to be stated? Ebola only spreads in bodily fluids. It cannot survive in water droplets. It must be in blood or some other organic material to survive.

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RE: Ebola transmission - 10/18/2014 9:02:00 PM   
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It depends on if it is the Zaire strain or the Reston strain.

You obviously haven't read the whole thread.

I stated "The virus causing the 2014 west African outbreak belongs to the Zaire species" in post#15.



Interesting, so we are dealing with the Zaire species.
I wonder how fast it is mutating?
I wonder if anyone knows how long it lasts when airborne?



In body fluids, the virus can live up to five hours outside the body, on dry surfaces, about four. At least that is the common belief.

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