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RE: Deep Throating - 10/16/2014 1:43:00 PM

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Kegels can be done easily if you lack the weights...you pee...hold for 15 seconds...pee again....hold 15 seconds...and so it ensues. Do as many reps (lol, my gym talk) as possible.

I'm glad this works for you, but just reading it made me clench. Performing this during urination is not healthy. It can encourage a urinary tract infection. And it doesn't bode well for the urinary tract system. (I speak from personal experience on this.) It's better to practice it during times you don't need to pee. :)

http://www.wikihow.com/Do-Kegel-Exercises

http://www.urologyhealth.org/urology/index.cfm?article=119

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Don't make a habit of using Kegel exercises to start and stop your urine stream. Doing Kegel exercises while emptying your bladder can actually weaken the muscles, as well as lead to incomplete emptying of the bladder — which increases the risk of a urinary tract infection.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/womens-health/in-depth/kegel-exercises/art-20045283

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Sorry for the hijack! :\

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/16/2014 2:03:00 PM

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However Exiled, I think you are assuming that all doms want their partner to cum, when I've found many just don't care about that...and then use them by whatever mean they find the least "boring or one dimensional".

It's a huge ego thing with me to have my partner come.

I wrote some time back: I want my sub to come. I want her to have her nipples, clit, breasts, pussy, ass, and mouth all in on it. I want her to have the hardest, loudest orgasm of her life when she's with me. And I want her to associate that with my capabilities as a lover. Call it Dom ego.

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/16/2014 2:13:18 PM

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Got to say that a dom who doesn't care about his/her partner enjoying themselves is a pretty crappy partner. Sure sometimes you leave a sub high and dry just to watch her squirm but that should be intentional not just because you couldn't be bothered to give her any pleasure.

Have to agree with you there (and with you, too, DarkSteven). In terms of orgasm control, Tease&Denial doesn't mean to only tease and long-term or complete denial. At least it doesn't in my book.

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/16/2014 2:57:33 PM

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I shouldn't have said many or most, just some.

I'm just bitter cause I dont cum from deep throating or anal, and what I do derive pleasure from is one note and boring.
And I think to call the vagina boring is silly in general.

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/16/2014 3:10:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I shouldn't have said many or most, just some.

I'm just bitter cause I dont cum from deep throating or anal, and what I do derive pleasure from is one note and boring.
And I think to call the vagina boring is silly in general.

Some guys just say that when they're getting it, those who start taking it for granted.

Wait until they aren't getting any or not getting it regularly, and then they become pussy hounds again (which many straight guys already are regardless).

P.S.

I really have to give ExiledTyrant credit for his post, which I'd left out doing last time.

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/16/2014 8:44:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I shouldn't have said many or most, just some.

I'm just bitter cause I dont cum from deep throating or anal, and what I do derive pleasure from is one note and boring.
And I think to call the vagina boring is silly in general.

The reality is that women who orgasm from anything but clitoral/G spot stimulation are rare indeed. I've never actually seen it and I've been with a fair number of women and spent quite a lot of time pleasuring them and seen other people playing with other women quite a lot as well. Maybe some do from anal as it does stimulate the g spot but I really doubt any woman can orgasm solely from giving oral.

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 3:40:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I shouldn't have said many or most, just some.

I'm just bitter cause I dont cum from deep throating or anal, and what I do derive pleasure from is one note and boring.
And I think to call the vagina boring is silly in general.

The reality is that women who orgasm from anything but clitoral/G spot stimulation are rare indeed. I've never actually seen it and I've been with a fair number of women and spent quite a lot of time pleasuring them and seen other people playing with other women quite a lot as well. Maybe some do from anal as it does stimulate the g spot but I really doubt any woman can orgasm solely from giving oral.

I've known a few. An orgasm lands in the tweeter, it doesn't start there.

Jus sayin

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 5:39:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I shouldn't have said many or most, just some.

I'm just bitter cause I dont cum from deep throating or anal, and what I do derive pleasure from is one note and boring.
And I think to call the vagina boring is silly in general.

The reality is that women who orgasm from anything but clitoral/G spot stimulation are rare indeed. I've never actually seen it and I've been with a fair number of women and spent quite a lot of time pleasuring them and seen other people playing with other women quite a lot as well. Maybe some do from anal as it does stimulate the g spot but I really doubt any woman can orgasm solely from giving oral.

I've known a few. An orgasm lands in the tweeter, it doesn't start there.

Jus sayin

I think they are liars. Only cause if I came from giving head, I'd never leave the house, and we would both end up unemployed.

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 5:45:04 AM

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It's so sad to hear that the vagina hole is soo useless for the dick.

Guess God fuck up! Why didn't he built the vagina as complex as the mouth and the anal area?

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 6:00:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I think they are liars. Only cause if I came from giving head, I'd never leave the house, and we would both end up unemployed.

Much like the million dollar myth. Everyone has heard about a million dollars, but some just don't beleive it exists because they've never seen it in person.

Jus sayin

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 7:03:21 AM

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I think every guy wishes his dick was long enough to reach her g spot via mouth.

But no, I suppose cumming without touch may be possible, but Im skeptical. The only thing keeping me believing it is I know I can think myself out of having an orgasm, so I should be able to think myself into it.

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 7:41:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I think every guy wishes his dick was long enough to reach her g spot via mouth.

But no, I suppose cumming without touch may be possible, but Im skeptical. The only thing keeping me believing it is I know I can think myself out of having an orgasm, so I should be able to think myself into it.

Baby doll, your orgasm is cerebral, it just ends up in your tweeter. Biologicaly we are very complex machines. Everything about us is organicaly integrated with our minds. Our body does this awesome salsa dance with our mind, sending and receiving information, sensation, stimulation, endorphins, and that dance, although our perception of it is a physical response, the physical orgasm is the side effect of the wammy your brain had.

I have a friend on BI that is so in tune with her sexual excitment that giving head will make her flood puddles on the floor. Everything about a cock in her mouth excites her to orgasm. I mean EVERYTHING... for her, all aspects surpass "just an act" and becomes her total euphoria. She says that every sense is so heightened and so exciting to her, that her bigest struggle is to remain focused enough to finish him before she becomes a quivering mass in the floor. She doesn't need to physically stimulate her tweeter, a cock in her mouth is more than enough to hurl her over the edge.

I understand that it seems a bit outlandish or out of reach to you, but I'm sure after this thread you'll really start paying attention to just how much and what kind of mental stimulation brings you to the edge of your orgasm, and with enough thought and introspection... perhaps determination as well, you'll get to the point you trigger your orgasm without double clicking your mouse.

I've said on this forum, OFTEN, that men have to seduce the girls mind and her body will follow. Men are pretty easy, show up and have a pulse and they're good to go. However, we have to seduce your mind. We have to paint a scenerio that you can relate to and see yourself in. A scenerio that makes you feel wanted, smoking hot, appreciated, and as a very desirable sexual being that we want to FUCK so bad we can taste it. Coming right out and saying how bad we want to fuck you is off putting, so we have to ellude to it. We have to paint the picture well enough that you think shucking those panties was your idea. Knowing that we have to mentally stimulate you to the point that you are hell bent and shucking those panties is a very small step away from stimulating your mind to orgasm. Trust is required, but for a girl to tune in to her body and mind to the point she can orgasm via an act that brings her pleasure, such as sucking cock, is not a far stretch once we understand the origin of pleasure and that we are wired to respond physically to what we like mentally.

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 8:18:12 AM

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Got personal experience with women who can cum from the smell of leather. And another sub, conditioned to cum by voice, and one who (since childhood) would cum at the sound of another woman cumming. She also orgasmed by observing others have sex, even on film. Yes I was there. Another orgasmed through sensual dance. Yes I was there. One responded to the right masculine eye contact during shared music. Another orgasmed while intensely focusing on painting her artwork.
Plus keep in mind that, subsequent female orgasms (as in multiple orgasms) can trigger with less or different stimulus. Light tough down the back of her neck, for example. Or the kundalini.

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shiftyw post 51: I suppose cumming without touch may be possible, but Im skeptical. The only thing keeping me believing it, is I know I can think myself out of having an orgasm, so I should be able to think myself into it.

As far as talking oneself Out of orgasm... yes certainly ... but there are, on the other hand, rare cases of women experiencing (involuntary) orgasm during (involuntary) rape... despite their wanting to think out of it.

If memory serves, we believe 'simultaneous orgasm' was Freud's original, historical, poorly-chosen term for female orgasm without female genital contact. Cases cited did include fellatio. (The term 'simultaneous orgasm' now, has long long become Stolen for use centering around mutual timing).

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 8:32:40 AM

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Frankly, I wouldn't consider an orgasm during rape spontaneous, it might be involuntary, but there is stimulus, and to imply they are willing themselves into it is offensive.

FURTHERMORE- my real issue is, there is already a lot of pressure on women to cum every time. There is pressure to make your orgasm "even more" by squirting- which not every woman can do. Isn't it enough that we cum at all? Do you need us to do it spontaneously too? Its a game of one upping for women. Imagine how a lady who has NEVER cum during sex feels about this? I mean how inadequate is her body?

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 8:57:21 AM

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Slow your roll there Baby Doll, we choose our dynamics. You do not have to be with anyone that is applying pressure for you to be who you are not. "Temet Nosce", know yourself well enough to make a positive match in your life, not to become Stepford /s. Hard limits are not just kink related. If living in a refrigerator box is a hard limiit, then a washing machine box will fix nothing.

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 9:07:13 AM

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Or as the Oracle at Delphi put it, Πρώτον, γνώθι σαυτόν.

Fortunately, as “Temet Nosce” hangs on the wall in the Oracle’s kitchen in The Matrix as well, knowing thyself is as easy as these four tips:

1. The Matrix cannot tell you who you are
2. Don’t think you are, know you are
3. Walk the path
4. There is no spoon

http://mindfulconstruct.com/2009/08/16/4-matrix-tips-for-knowing-thyself/

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 9:18:37 AM

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This thread is way off topic. I'm sorry smile.

I'm open to the possibility of it, I don't like the expectation of it.

That's the last I'll say on it, in this thread, since we should get back to the topic at hand: deep throating.

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 9:55:44 AM

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The thread Was drifting, perhaps responding to your feelings, shiftyw. . . thanx for noticing and making the course correction. You're a good person, in good company.
Hopefully there are the right partners for all of us, shiftyw. . . cuz you did say in post25:

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. . . some are assuming that all doms want their partner to cum, when I've found many just don't care about that. . .

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 9:57:19 AM

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FURTHERMORE- my real issue is, there is already a lot of pressure on women to cum every time. There is pressure to make your orgasm "even more" by squirting- which not every woman can do. Isn't it enough that we cum at all? Do you need us to do it spontaneously too? Its a game of one upping for women. Imagine how a lady who has NEVER cum during sex feels about this? I mean how inadequate is her body?

It's only a game of one-upping if women actually buy into it.

Years ago, someone dear to me tried to convince me that I should like anal sex as much as he did. How did he try to "sell" it to me? By saying that his ex got to the point where she would have her best (perhaps only) orgasms through anal penetration. I don't know if he meant it to come across as a "because she did, you should too" sort of thing...but that's the way I took it. I tried, lots. Never got to that point. Once I got to the point where I was able to accept that it just wasn't going to happen for me, I ended up enjoying all aspects of our sex life so much more. And, I also have come to adopt a motto that I've had the opportunity to use several times since...."I am not her". I find there's usually not a comeback to that. *s*

Apparently, I am one of the vast minority of women who can orgasm through only nipple stimulation. Who knew I was such a rare breed? LOL I never would have looked it up, were it not for someone who mentioned it to me a while back. Reading this thread got me to thinking about that. This person told me about how "rare" it is, and I did some reading on the net about it. I have yet to see a strict scientific percentage, but everything I have read points to the idea that it is *small*. I believe that women need to empower *themselves* in this regard. The information is out there, we just need to find it and use it.

Honestly, how many women orgasm simply from a smell or sound? I don't know, but I would guess it's probably less than those who orgasm through solely nipple stimulation. I believe that we, as women, need to take some power back in this regard. Why are we, in essence, allowing ourselves to feel inferior because someone, somewhere in the world, can orgasm simply by hearing someone's voice?

I shudder when I think about a line that someone would use in relation to me. "I was with this gal once who would have her best orgasms through solely nipple play". While a true statement...I would hope that the recipient of that line would either know how rare it is, or actually look it up, and not take it as a "she did, so you should too" sort of thing.

I know it's easier said than done. But, it's up to us, as *women*, to not let ourselves feel inferior. The information is out there, we just need to use it.

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RE: Deep Throating - 10/17/2014 10:09:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I think every guy wishes his dick was long enough to reach her g spot via mouth.

But no, I suppose cumming without touch may be possible, but Im skeptical. The only thing keeping me believing it is I know I can think myself out of having an orgasm, so I should be able to think myself into it.

Baby doll, your orgasm is cerebral, it just ends up in your tweeter. Biologicaly we are very complex machines. Everything about us is organicaly integrated with our minds. Our body does this awesome salsa dance with our mind, sending and receiving information, sensation, stimulation, endorphins, and that dance, although our perception of it is a physical response, the physical orgasm is the side effect of the wammy your brain had.

I have a friend on BI that is so in tune with her sexual excitment that giving head will make her flood puddles on the floor. Everything about a cock in her mouth excites her to orgasm. I mean EVERYTHING... for her, all aspects surpass "just an act" and becomes her total euphoria. She says that every sense is so heightened and so exciting to her, that her bigest struggle is to remain focused enough to finish him before she becomes a quivering mass in the floor. She doesn't need to physically stimulate her tweeter, a cock in her mouth is more than enough to hurl her over the edge.

Jus sayin

She sounds hot, can I keep her? Pretty please?
OK,but on a more serious note, all of my turn ons are extremely cerebral. I don't need to be touched to cum, at all. I cum just fine while domming. It is involuntary, yes. It just happens. I have also squirted. When I was younger, I was not as hmm...primal, desire wise. I have sniffed a boy, involuntarily. (Yes, this really happened), and was mortified when I realized what I was doing so had to find my uh... "center" to where I had better self control. I get excited just seeing rope on skin. I'm pretty ravenous but I know the why, how and where so I can turn it off or on. Almost lost it with my tattooed seductress, and in public to boot. I'm usually not big on PDA but eh...she's hotter than most. Sex appeal wise.

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