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how important is Malala Yousafzai? - 10/13/2014 5:03:59 PM

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Is she the best "weapon" we have against ISIS/ the Taliban/terrorism or are bombs and invasions still our best way forward?

What impact is she having in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and other regions where Islamic beliefs are being taken to extremes?

Is she just a feel good story to assuage the horrors that are being wrought on women in some parts of the world?

Do women feel empowered by her?

Hearts and minds.....

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RE: how important is Malala Yousafzai? - 10/13/2014 7:26:24 PM

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Whatever you may think of Malala herself, her achievements as a teenaged Pakistani girl are astonishing. The obstacles put in the path of women and girls in a conservative Muslim society like Pakistan are huge. To over come these obstacles and to get her message across speaks volumes about Malala. She has become a symbol of hope and achievement for women and girls everywhere. That the Pakistani Taliban decided they had no option but to assassinate her is a measure of her success.

It is difficult to guage precisely how much impact she is having in her country. But there will be great pride in Pakistan in having produced a Nobel Peace Prize winner especially when one considers the others in the running for that award eg. the Pope, Snowdon. It is far from clear whether her status as a darling of the Western media is helping her in changing Pakistan and increasing educational and other opportunities for women and girls there. Awarding her the Nobel Prize will only increase her influence and reach.

It is clear that for many people she is a heroine, an ordinary person who is achieving extraordinary things against entrenched opposition.

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RE: how important is Malala Yousafzai? - 10/13/2014 8:43:18 PM

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The fact that the Taliban tried to kill her shows she must be doing something significant in a civilization sense.

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RE: how important is Malala Yousafzai? - 10/14/2014 5:23:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

Is she the best "weapon" we have against ISIS/ the Taliban/terrorism or are bombs and invasions still our best way forward?

What impact is she having in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and other regions where Islamic beliefs are being taken to extremes?

Is she just a feel good story to assuage the horrors that are being wrought on women in some parts of the world?

Do women feel empowered by her?

Hearts and minds.....

This is a complicated issue. For the West, whenever we see someone in oppressed circumstances stand up and do something heroic, then it's perfectly within our principles to honor them for it. I don't think this is a feel good story, nor does it assuage the horrors in question. However, it's important to bring these horrors to the attention of the public and to look at it rationally so that we in the West can formulate a coherent policy in line with our stated principles of freedom, justice, and equality.

As for justifying more bombings and invasions, I often wonder how many people in circumstances similar to Malala Yousafzai have already been bombed or victimized by our invasions.

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RE: how important is Malala Yousafzai? - 10/14/2014 6:27:50 AM

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Unfortunately she isn't having the same impact on Pakistan as she is in the west.

I have my opinions on this but then I've done a lot of reading regarding Malala Yousafzai. She was a young innocent girl used by the west for a campaign of strength against the Taliban. I believe she was a very deliberate target and a target we all got to know and love through her journals and interviews.

I'm still waiting to hear the names of the two other girls that were shot and badly injured on the school bus that day.

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RE: how important is Malala Yousafzai? - 10/14/2014 12:48:34 PM

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In the short term her impact in the region may be minimal. I the long term women's education, which is why she was attacked, is one of the most important things needed to change the culture.

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RE: how important is Malala Yousafzai? - 10/14/2014 12:51:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

Is she the best "weapon" we have against ISIS/ the Taliban/terrorism or are bombs and invasions still our best way forward?

What impact is she having in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and other regions where Islamic beliefs are being taken to extremes?

Is she just a feel good story to assuage the horrors that are being wrought on women in some parts of the world?

Do women feel empowered by her?

Hearts and minds.....

The way forward is to leave these people alone to sort out their problems.

I can only speak for England but we have enough of our own problems to sort out without thinking we can save the world.

You can't force people to think like you and be like you. It's a recipe for chaos. And, as alluded to the aforementioned, who ever said that it's such a honour to be like us. We have our own problems, although of a different variety.

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RE: how important is Malala Yousafzai? - 10/14/2014 3:41:50 PM

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The way forward is to leave these people alone to sort out their problems.

Then maybe we should have left them alone, the problem is that we haven't left them alone, have we?

We, the west, America, Britain, and others, have invaded and destroyed so many countries that their problems, to some unknown extent, are of our own making.

It's gone way past ignoring them and hoping they go away, hasn't it?

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RE: how important is Malala Yousafzai? - 10/14/2014 4:45:40 PM

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I can only speak for England but we have enough of our own problems to sort out without thinking we can save the world.

You dont speak for England NG, just your own viewpoint. Without wishing to think we are somehow the worlds police, there are indeed some fights we need to take up. The one with IS being a prime example.

While no one in the UK blames Cameron for the spread of IS, since we mostly see the current issues go back to the 2003 invasion, sadly we are left to clean up the mess. The worst of it is that there is no simple solution. for the following reasons, Turkey, Iraq and Syria all have issues with the Kurds, as do IS and the FSA. The notion we are going to pick some moderate Syrian goup is more than tricky, since no one knows how and said groups will develop further down the line.

As for Malala, I have to wonder about her father. The family own a chain of schools in the Swat Valley and the BBC were looking for a schoolgirl to do an anonymous blog. The blog morphed into an American documentry and this little girl was thrust into the limelight. This brought about the barbaric attempt on her life by the Taliban and she was singled out on the school coach where the two girls also shot were caught up in the gunfire. I am glad the UK gave her family a safe haven and pleased that she deservedly got the Nobel Peace Prize. I just wonder how much pressure her father put on her to do the initial blog, one can wonder if it was right to allow an 11 year old to get involved at such a young age..

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RE: how important is Malala Yousafzai? - 10/14/2014 6:08:20 PM

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The way forward is to leave these people alone to sort out their problems.

Then maybe we should have left them alone, the problem is that we haven't left them alone, have we?

We, the west, America, Britain, and others, have invaded and destroyed so many countries that their problems, to some unknown extent, are of our own making.

It's gone way past ignoring them and hoping they go away, hasn't it?

The above deserved repeating.

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RE: how important is Malala Yousafzai? - 10/15/2014 2:06:25 AM

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I can only speak for England but we have enough of our own problems to sort out without thinking we can save the world.

You dont speak for England NG, just your own viewpoint. Without wishing to think we are somehow the worlds police, there are indeed some fights we need to take up. The one with IS being a prime example.

While no one in the UK blames Cameron for the spread of IS, since we mostly see the current issues go back to the 2003 invasion, sadly we are left to clean up the mess. The worst of it is that there is no simple solution. for the following reasons, Turkey, Iraq and Syria all have issues with the Kurds, as do IS and the FSA. The notion we are going to pick some moderate Syrian goup is more than tricky, since no one knows how and said groups will develop further down the line.

As for Malala, I have to wonder about her father. The family own a chain of schools in the Swat Valley and the BBC were looking for a schoolgirl to do an anonymous blog. The blog morphed into an American documentry and this little girl was thrust into the limelight. This brought about the barbaric attempt on her life by the Taliban and she was singled out on the school coach where the two girls also shot were caught up in the gunfire. I am glad the UK gave her family a safe haven and pleased that she deservedly got the Nobel Peace Prize. I just wonder how much pressure her father put on her to do the initial blog, one can wonder if it was right to allow an 11 year old to get involved at such a young age..

Its a wonderful story and one that we can all make an emotional attachment to. Malala, in my mind, is a heroin because of what she went through; as are the two forgotten girls that were shot alongside Malala on the bus that day. Malala though, was not a young 11 year old girl fighting for her right to education against the Taliban, but a regular child groomed by her father who had a financial interest in schools for profit. I firmly believe she was a pawn for her father and Gordon Browns billion dollar campaign, "Education First"

I clearly understand the mistrust of the Pakistani people and a good percent of the west as this story unravels.

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