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PeonForHer -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/16/2014 5:12:21 AM)
FR Cracks me up. They all have this look in their photos that combines a) smouldering with b) listening carefully and thoughtfully to what you're saying. [:D]

PeonForHer -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/16/2014 4:10:28 PM)
quote: Manko, I'm with you. We can get a dozen - no, make that a baker's dozen - subbly guys like those for free. Just noticed this. [:D] What? No, you couldn't, FO. I've just seen the pictures. A tiny fraction of men look like that. Most of them will be taken - and by women who wouldn't allow them to do 'escort work'. In any case, to get and keep figures like that men need to spend ridiculous amounts of hours in the gym. Generally, only Olympic-level athletes and men who make money from their physical appearance (as models and the like) will do that - in which case escort work is always going to be just a sideline for them. Women who want to get that 'ideal female figure' have to work at it - though they pretty much have to be most of the way there before they even start the work. Likewise for men - but to get and keep the 'ideal male figure' requires much, much more than that because they have to build muscle as well. It isn't just about getting and staying slim. Please don't BS yourself and others about this, FO. Femdoms do need to realise what real malesubs are and can be, just as much as malesubs need to realise what real femdoms are and can be.

FieryOpal -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/16/2014 4:44:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Manko, I'm with you. We can get a dozen - no, make that a baker's dozen - subbly guys like those for free. Please don't BS yourself and others about this, FO. Femdoms do need to realise what real malesubs are and can be, just as much as malesubs need to realise what real femdoms are and can be. You misunderstood Peon. The emphasis was on subbly guys who are willing to obey (see title of this thread, "...for men to obey,") which is how I meant it. I could care less how buff, well-chiseled, good-looking or youthful they are. (I'm not a cougar in the first place.) Those kinds of things are just a bonus. Now, Manko would want guys who are in shape because she's into physical fitness and working out. The JOKE here is that there is no shortage of finding men who are willing to obey a Dominant woman--whether they're any good at it, that's hard to say. It couldn't be any worse than renting some PRETEND, play-acting sub for the night. Besides, Manko can have the lookers and younger ones, plus she doesn't mind if they're short. I want the older, tall(er) ones with 3-digit IQs. [8D] (That might be more of a scarcity factor.)

AAkasha -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/16/2014 8:46:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Manko, I'm with you. We can get a dozen - no, make that a baker's dozen - subbly guys like those for free. Please don't BS yourself and others about this, FO. Femdoms do need to realise what real malesubs are and can be, just as much as malesubs need to realise what real femdoms are and can be. You misunderstood Peon. The emphasis was on subbly guys who are willing to obey (see title of this thread, "...for men to obey,") which is how I meant it. I could care less how buff, well-chiseled, good-looking or youthful they are. (I'm not a cougar in the first place.) Those kinds of things are just a bonus. Now, Manko would want guys who are in shape because she's into physical fitness and working out. The JOKE here is that there is no shortage of finding men who are willing to obey a Dominant woman--whether they're any good at it, that's hard to say. It couldn't be any worse than renting some PRETEND, play-acting sub for the night. Besides, Manko can have the lookers and younger ones, plus she doesn't mind if they're short. I want the older, tall(er) ones with 3-digit IQs. [8D] (That might be more of a scarcity factor.) It is tough to find a sub man without an agenda. Even the ones that try hard. You have to work with them to get around and to the ability to compromise. There are often hidden agendas. They are subs - they have fantasies. Pay a guy? His job is to have a happy customer. Period. Same reason why a pro femdom delivers an amazing product in a well stocked dungeon and the fantasies are often met quite keenly. These men are paid to make fantasies, or companionship, or whatever, become a reality. And yes, they are incredibly good looking and have very nice bodies, and I bet they have some decent charisma. Don't get me wrong - I love subs who put pleasing a woman above all else - but many want to please "any woman" (you become the fill-in-the-blank Mistress). Finding an excellent sub who really gets a rush out of serving, and THEN having incredible chemistry emotionally and physically - that's a tall order. I am not complaining - I have had great success. But for instant-sub, just "add cash," come on. You can't argue that this is at least comparable to the ability a sub has to open a web site, pick the most attractive woman, with a nicely stocked playspace, have a passionate experience and then have no strings attached. This thread though was mostly to point out that men who "sell themselves" to women have to work to have something to offer - these men are probably quite skilled at attentiveness, companionship and spending a lot of time on their appearance, manscaping, etiquette. Subs should invest that kind of time in their package - not just the package between their legs. The whole package. Akasha

Greta75 -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/16/2014 9:01:51 PM)
I put up an online ad for sub males before. Thinking maybe I'd try sub males and give them my list of things I'd like them to do. But what I got back are sub males with their long list of their demands and what they want to be able to do with me. Most sub males says it's a dealbreaker if they aren't allowed to pussy-lick you for example. They are obsess with the whole face-sitting thing. Then I realise something from that experience, sub males seem to care even less about your pleasure than doms. I'm sticking to doms. Anyway, that is my experience.

starkem -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/17/2014 5:44:40 AM)
Sub for pay is a lot tougher business service to sell than the opposing pro Domme services. I suppose a sub pro could make money though. Everyone is desperate for what they want (pro or lifestyle). If you feel the compliance with your desires takes precedent over your emotional attachment, then go for it and pay that man! There is something strangely kinky about women paying men for sex in general. Some women are sexually aroused by being able to afford to buy the finer things in life. They are turned on by objectifying men and see them as prey to be acquired. Awesome and powerful way to conceptionalize their way of kinking. :)

Greta75 -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/17/2014 5:46:56 AM)
I am just practical. I'm very focus on getting a certain specific sexual experience. I am young now, I can dictate men what to do, and they will do it. But when I am old, I know that may be harder, and I'm happy to pay to make it happen, as long as it can still happen.

starkem -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/17/2014 6:19:43 AM)
Shit, I wouldn't mind being a cowboy 4 an angel. Best job I would ever have ad like. But las, who am kidding? (sigh). :(

thompsonx -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/17/2014 6:47:03 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 $2k for a fuck. Ouch! That's a very expensive retirement funding lol. Guys are a little luckier. Overnight "out dates" at the butt hut only run about $500.

Greta75 -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/17/2014 6:49:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Guys are a little luckier. Overnight "out dates" at the butt hut only run about $500. I know, men are expensive. :( Over here, you can even get overnight really young hot ones for just $50 if you know the right places.

Greta75 -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/17/2014 6:50:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starkem Shit, I wouldn't mind being a cowboy 4 an angel. Best job I would ever have ad like. But las, who am kidding? (sigh). :( Start Gymming! You can get there!

thompsonx -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/17/2014 7:42:58 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 ORIGINAL: thompsonx Guys are a little luckier. Overnight "out dates" at the butt hut only run about $500. I know, men are expensive. :( Only the good ones[;)] Over here, you can even get overnight really young hot ones for just $50 if you know the right places. Amatures are always less expensive than professionals.

Greta75 -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/17/2014 7:55:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Amatures are always less expensive than professionals. Okay, it is true. For $50, it's definitely the inexperience, just lie in bed and don't know what to do to pleasure you type. Just look young and pretty.

thompsonx -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/17/2014 5:58:51 PM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 ORIGINAL: thompsonx Amatures are always less expensive than professionals. Okay, it is true. For $50, it's definitely the inexperience, just lie in bed and don't know what to do to pleasure you type. Just look young and pretty. To have sex with me requires more than just showing up nake.(nake being the present tense of naked.)

MrRodgers -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/17/2014 7:06:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha Subs who say it isn't possible, take a look: <snip> What, to get male subs to listen without having to bribe them? That'll never happen. [8D] Oh no, it's the other way around. I wonder, is it truly submission if it's bought and paid for?... No, I think not. [sm=shame.gif] Manko, I'm with you. We can get a dozen - no, make that a baker's dozen - subbly guys like those for free. (How should we split the 13th dude? Take turns or double-Domme him? [;)] ) I'm just saying...for male subs that complain that women don't pay for it, there's clearly a market, but they have to have a skillset obviously. Just as a pro femdom with a stocked dungeon and years of experience has something as far as competitive advantage. You got it. I've always told people that given the connection and a certain passion, submission and obedience can be inspired and doesn't require any payment. Now for a particular skill set...that's a whole 'nother thing.

FieryOpal -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/18/2014 2:20:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal What, to get male subs to listen without having to bribe them? That'll never happen. [8D] Oh no, it's the other way around. I wonder, is it truly submission if it's bought and paid for?... No, I think not. [sm=shame.gif] Manko, I'm with you. We can get a dozen - no, make that a baker's dozen - subbly guys like those for free. (How should we split the 13th dude? Take turns or double-Domme him? [;)] ) I'm just saying...for male subs that complain that women don't pay for it, there's clearly a market, but they have to have a skillset obviously. Just as a pro femdom with a stocked dungeon and years of experience has something as far as competitive advantage. You got it. I've always told people that given the connection and a certain passion, submission and obedience can be inspired and doesn't require any payment. Now for a particular skill set...that's a whole 'nother thing. Of course I was being facetious, and bribing a submissive was not literally about money or providing compensation in tangible goods. For some s-types, just being Dominated and feeling that they belong to a Dominant is gratifying, fetishes aside; how else could some of us (but not me personally) have non-sexual service subs for prolonged periods of time? I may not understand the motivational "pay-offs" behind it for the s-type, but these types of arrangements do get made. MrR, your comments got me thinking, in a very general sense. Why is it that instead of raising men up to a higher standard of conduct and relationship maturity, there are those who would lower women down to a shallower level of interpersonal relationships between the sexes? In the name of self-empowerment, of all things? What is self-empowering about being able to afford to rent or "buy" another person and to adopt a casual, emotionally unfulfilling attitude which feeds solely egos? Is this not a Machiavellian cut-throat approach to living one's life, no different that what is found out in the vanilla world, a world full of dysfunctionalism and corruption?

starkem -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/18/2014 9:05:19 AM)
Ultimately, paying a sub money, comprimisizes your Domme dynamic in a manner inconclusive to your Domme self. "pay me for services rendered" which is a demand is contrary to the Domme way. However it is direct to your sensibilities. If you have enough cash, you will get everything you desire in a real sub, but just not long term. I explored the fact that my sub self was worthy of pay. Yet,my apprehension was charging money for such play. All I needed was a female willing to dine for night. This is quite hard to achieve since a quality of a Domme may be in possessing and commanding what She desires to be authentic and final.

Charles6682 -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/18/2014 11:45:57 AM)
Yes, there is such a thing as "Pro Subs", if you will. They aren't as common as "Pro-Dommes" true, but they are out there. If someone made some many as a "Pro Sub" before, does that make them less likely to be a "real" sub in their personal lives? No, I don't think so but it also depend's on the person. The same logic could be said that "Pro Dommes" aren't really true Domme's, even though many "Pro Dommes" also live the Lifestyle as well. Again, it varie's on each person. Trying to make an honest dollar in my opinion, isn't a bad thing. Trying to scam people for money, well, that is different. Anyway's these are only my opinion and nothing else.

Charles6682 -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/18/2014 12:11:48 PM)
I don't know so much about this site with the link. "Cowboy up",lol. Just seem's like an escort service. Everyone already know's those are out there.

PeonForHer -> RE: Yes, some women pay $$ for men to obey (10/18/2014 3:02:51 PM)
quote: You misunderstood Peon. The emphasis was on subbly guys who are willing to obey (see title of this thread, "...for men to obey,") which is how I meant it. I could care less how buff, well-chiseled, good-looking or youthful they are. (I'm not a cougar in the first place.) Those kinds of things are just a bonus. Now, Manko would want guys who are in shape because she's into physical fitness and working out. The JOKE here is that there is no shortage of finding men who are willing to obey a Dominant woman--whether they're any good at it, that's hard to say. It couldn't be any worse than renting some PRETEND, play-acting sub for the night. Yep. OK. Heads up: I've appeared on this site, using pictures that show a chubby, bald-headed bloke, though otherwise being just the personality that I always am as me, Peon, Simon. I've had no interest. The idea that women 'go for looks and not personality' is a crock. It's always been a crock. Women like to assume that they're deeper and more spiritual and men. They are not. They just like to believe that a cut set of stomach muscles indicates a beautiful emotional soul, or some such old bollocks. Let's move on from such tosh. There is a shortage of men who will be willing to obey a dominant woman. We all know this because this forum is replete with posts by dominant women who complain about 'do me subs' - men . Quite apart from filtering out the men who have an 'agenda', as Akasha indicates, you also have to filter out the men who are just seriously lacking in other essential ways, to do with their personalities. This is in major part because to be male, and submissive to a female partner, you have to go through an immense struggle to remain balanced and at ease with yourself. In short, I think a femdom needs to face it: if you get together with a malesub who's remotely near the mark for you - you should hang on to him as though he's gold dust. Your choices are seriously limited, as you will realise once you've got past the egotistical puff that you, along with every other femdom with very few exceptions, will get as a result of the sheer number of males who will hit on you in cmails.

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