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Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 6:47:11 AM   
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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 8:07:03 AM   
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The second amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


The twenty fourth amendment:

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Oh the folks yell about what part of shal not be infringed don't you understand? And so forth, but it it seems to me that the twenty fourth amendment has a more certain claim in its shall not be denied or abridged clause.

Additionally, there is no tax poll or other that is allowed. Voter ID fails, if you have to pay (or any government entity pays) then we have a tax, and aint gonna happen. I am aware of a SCOTUS decision minimizing small sums regarding the registration of voters but this would not cut it.


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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 10:27:12 AM   
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Lord Forbid if we ever allow poor people to rig an election......

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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 10:45:14 AM   
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Alright, some one please explain to me why having to show a photo ID is a burden? You have to have a photo ID to get a job, drive, apply for welfare, cash a check, and god knows what else.

If you dont have an ID, then how do you handle day to day stuff that requires a photo ID, the answer is you dont. It is not an undue expense, it is a necessary expense in modern society.

Where I get pissed is when you have to have two or more forms of ID, one being state, one being a passport and one being something else.

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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 11:21:24 AM   
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Can anyone explain to me why ID for election promotions is a burden?

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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 11:40:09 AM   
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quote:

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The second amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


The twenty fourth amendment:

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Oh the folks yell about what part of shal not be infringed don't you understand? And so forth, but it it seems to me that the twenty fourth amendment has a more certain claim in its shall not be denied or abridged clause.

Additionally, there is no tax poll or other that is allowed. Voter ID fails, if you have to pay (or any government entity pays) then we have a tax, and aint gonna happen. I am aware of a SCOTUS decision minimizing small sums regarding the registration of voters but this would not cut it.



One needs an ID to live. You need one at a bank, you are often asked for one even at a supermarket, you cannot buy various legal drugs at a pharmacy without an ID (such as ADHD medication as well as of course various pain medications that are opiates), you need one to get into bars, etc. And of course if you drive at all, you must carry your ID with you. If you does not drive, states provide IDs for you in any case. They are quite inexpensive. The IDs are not specifically for voting; they are for all of these purposes. I suppose I should include flying, too. The marginal cost of an ID for voting when you already need that ID is 0.

Since anyone can claim to be anyone, there is no burden whatsoever on voter ID. Voting is more important than going to a fucking bar. To assert therefore that voting does not require an ID is ludicrous.


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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 12:00:35 PM   
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Then get a fucking id and fill out a 4473 every time (including private transactions) you buy a gun, send it to the ATF and demand it is installed in the database complete, with serial number and so forth, and get rid of anonymous campaign donations, show an ID every time you donate.

Otherwise, preserve, protect and defend the constitution.

Or get an amendment repeal.






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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 12:08:31 PM   
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Why is it, that only leftists push to allow dead people to vote. I wonder sometimes if there ever been a national election that wasn't stolen.

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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 12:57:54 PM   
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One needs an ID to live. You need one at a bank, you are often asked for one even at a supermarket, you cannot buy various legal drugs at a pharmacy without an ID (such as ADHD medication as well as of course various pain medications that are opiates), you need one to get into bars, etc. And of course if you drive at all, you must carry your ID with you. If you does not drive, states provide IDs for you in any case. They are quite inexpensive. The IDs are not specifically for voting; they are for all of these purposes. I suppose I should include flying, too. The marginal cost of an ID for voting when you already need that ID is 0.

Since anyone can claim to be anyone, there is no burden whatsoever on voter ID. Voting is more important than going to a fucking bar. To assert therefore that voting does not require an ID is ludicrous.


Try to get this through your head.

It isn't the ID but the short list of what ID's are allowed that is the problem. In these states where the GOP is so worried about voter fraud an expired DL is not permitted. Why not? What possible difference could there be between a DL the day before and after it expires? It just adds an expense to poor people.

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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 1:14:25 PM   
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Why is it, that only leftists push to allow dead people to vote. I wonder sometimes if there ever been a national election that wasn't stolen.


Other than W in Florida? We saw the vote for the republican primary in Washington DC with an all republican cast right from Brietbart and right on Youtube, and the nutsuckers were letting non-existant people vote, all over the place.


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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 2:20:19 PM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

One needs an ID to live. You need one at a bank, you are often asked for one even at a supermarket, you cannot buy various legal drugs at a pharmacy without an ID (such as ADHD medication as well as of course various pain medications that are opiates), you need one to get into bars, etc. And of course if you drive at all, you must carry your ID with you. If you does not drive, states provide IDs for you in any case. They are quite inexpensive. The IDs are not specifically for voting; they are for all of these purposes. I suppose I should include flying, too. The marginal cost of an ID for voting when you already need that ID is 0.

Since anyone can claim to be anyone, there is no burden whatsoever on voter ID. Voting is more important than going to a fucking bar. To assert therefore that voting does not require an ID is ludicrous.


Try to get this through your head.

It isn't the ID but the short list of what ID's are allowed that is the problem. In these states where the GOP is so worried about voter fraud an expired DL is not permitted. Why not? What possible difference could there be between a DL the day before and after it expires? It just adds an expense to poor people.



Answer this question, why cant you cash a check with an expired ID in most states?
And $15 to renew an ID every six years is an unneeded expense? $2.50 a year?
Or, how bout this question, why do you get a fucking driving without a valid license ticket when the damn thing is expired one day?

But hey, this is a burden on the poor....

Oh, and for the record to the person who made the statement about only liberals wanting dead people to vote, there were some interesting republican political bosses in history.

In recent elections, allegations of voter fraud have been found to be pretty much false. Of course, let us not forget Florida in the Bush v Gore crap. How many thousands of ballots were not allowed to be recounted by order of a conservative supreme court? It did however, prove the point that paper ballots were problematic to say the least.

Now, many years ago, in a small city of 110,000 people in Texas, a bunch of liberals got tired of having to drive to a small town in another country, completely surrounded by this city to buy booze, or having to be a member of a private club in order to drink a beer with their steaks.

Now, this city is a bible belt poster city, with a church for about every 200 people, most baptist or southern baptist, but there were enough signatures on the petition to get an election to try and vote the town wet.

The first election, the vote was overwhelmingly in favor of going wet, until a conservative judge ruled in favor of a bunch of ministers than through one precint out, and order another election, which with the excluded precinct, just barely kept the city dry.

By this time, the city had made national news. The networks had people all over the town, and these reporters even got nice video of these same baptist preachers and the Judge frequenting the package store in the little town that consisted of one house, a gas station, a police station/city hall/municipal courthouse office trailer.

Well, the liberals took their case to the Texas supreme court and got the second vote over turned, but instead of reinstating the results of the first election, ordered yet another election... with Texas Rangers escorting the sealed ballot boxes to Austin to be counted.

The third vote again had the city going wet and legalizing the sale of alcohol within city limits.

These same republicans have voted against a water park being built in the city, a six flags theme park being built in the city, the reason, they would bring in riffraff...

They have however, voted in favor of 5 new state prisons in the area, four state run pre release facilities, and a few other state facilities inside and near the city that actually keep recently released drug dealers, violent criminals and other upstanding citizens in the city.

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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 2:30:55 PM   
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Try to get this through your head.

It isn't the ID but the short list of what ID's are allowed that is the problem. In these states where the GOP is so worried about voter fraud an expired DL is not permitted. Why not? What possible difference could there be between a DL the day before and after it expires? It just adds an expense to poor people.


Maybe because ID isn't valid if it's expired? Whether it makes sense or not, one day can make all the difference in the world from a legal stand-point.

And it doesn't "add expense" to anyone, regardless of how often you keep saying it does. They'd still need to have valid ID in order to do any number of other activities.

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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 3:13:29 PM   
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Maybe because ID isn't valid if it's expired? Whether it makes sense or not, one day can make all the difference in the world from a legal stand-point.

Perhaps you can explane that or are we suppose to read your mind.

And it doesn't "add expense" to anyone, regardless of how often you keep saying it does. They'd still need to have valid ID in order to do any number of other activities.


By that line of reasoning, if you arent guilty of some crime why not let the cops search your home?


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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 3:15:57 PM   
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Alright, some one please explain to me why having to show a photo ID is a burden? You have to have a photo ID to get a job, drive, apply for welfare, cash a check, and god knows what else.

If you dont have an ID, then how do you handle day to day stuff that requires a photo ID, the answer is you dont. It is not an undue expense, it is a necessary expense in modern society.

Where I get pissed is when you have to have two or more forms of ID, one being state, one being a passport and one being something else.



It isn't a burden but the folks on the right are for it and that's all it takes for some. We even had one on here admit it was a good idea until they found out the conservatives were pushing for it. Now it's just evil.

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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 3:17:41 PM   
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Alright, some one please explain to me why having to show a photo ID is a burden?


Alright, someone please explain to me why you cannot understand the constitutional ammendment previously quoted?




You have to have a photo ID to get a job, drive, apply for welfare, cash a check, and god knows what else.

Will the photo id you use to buy beer with work to vote?





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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 3:18:22 PM   
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One needs an ID to live. You need one at a bank, you are often asked for one even at a supermarket, you cannot buy various legal drugs at a pharmacy without an ID (such as ADHD medication as well as of course various pain medications that are opiates), you need one to get into bars, etc. And of course if you drive at all, you must carry your ID with you. If you does not drive, states provide IDs for you in any case. They are quite inexpensive. The IDs are not specifically for voting; they are for all of these purposes. I suppose I should include flying, too. The marginal cost of an ID for voting when you already need that ID is 0.

Since anyone can claim to be anyone, there is no burden whatsoever on voter ID. Voting is more important than going to a fucking bar. To assert therefore that voting does not require an ID is ludicrous.


Try to get this through your head.

It isn't the ID but the short list of what ID's are allowed that is the problem. In these states where the GOP is so worried about voter fraud an expired DL is not permitted. Why not? What possible difference could there be between a DL the day before and after it expires? It just adds an expense to poor people.



Not sure how many times you are going to have to hear this before it sinks in but poor people are on welfare and you have to have id to collect welfare.

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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 3:19:33 PM   
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Why is it, that only leftists push to allow dead people to vote.

Why is it that only right wing assholes only open their mouths to take a shit.


I wonder sometimes if there ever been a national election that wasn't stolen.

Perhaps you might find a grown up to help you find it on google?

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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 3:19:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

One needs an ID to live. You need one at a bank, you are often asked for one even at a supermarket, you cannot buy various legal drugs at a pharmacy without an ID (such as ADHD medication as well as of course various pain medications that are opiates), you need one to get into bars, etc. And of course if you drive at all, you must carry your ID with you. If you does not drive, states provide IDs for you in any case. They are quite inexpensive. The IDs are not specifically for voting; they are for all of these purposes. I suppose I should include flying, too. The marginal cost of an ID for voting when you already need that ID is 0.

Since anyone can claim to be anyone, there is no burden whatsoever on voter ID. Voting is more important than going to a fucking bar. To assert therefore that voting does not require an ID is ludicrous.


Try to get this through your head.

It isn't the ID but the short list of what ID's are allowed that is the problem. In these states where the GOP is so worried about voter fraud an expired DL is not permitted. Why not? What possible difference could there be between a DL the day before and after it expires? It just adds an expense to poor people.

Tell that to a traffic cop.

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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 3:22:18 PM   
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Not sure how many times you are going to have to hear this before it sinks in but poor people are on welfare and you have to have id to collect welfare.


Will that id work to vote with?

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RE: Interesting Point - 10/21/2014 3:26:44 PM   
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Tell that to a traffic cop.

You really are pretty stupid. The traffic cop will use your expired license to identify you and write you a ticket because you had failed to pay the tax which is what the cost of renewing your license is.


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