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jlf1961 -> Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/23/2014 12:56:32 PM)

I was born in 1961.

I talked back, blatantly broke rules or just behaved in a manner that was socially unacceptable by any standards, I got spanked, sometimes with a bare hand, sometimes with a belt, and if I were at my grandmother's house, it was a razor strap.

21st Century, spank you child, go to jail for abuse.

1967 Pledge of allegiance was said after the bell rang, 1st and second grade teachers told stories out of the bible, prayer was allowed. Children required to be able to read and write English by the time they finished Elementary school, teachers weren't required to speak anything but English. The US flag on a shirt or jacket was allowed, and didn't offend any one.

21st Century, kids graduate high school barely able to speak English or balance a check book. The American flag is not allowed in schools, neither is prayer, the pledge, faith, and anything that might possibly offend anyone one.

1960's no one had to put a disclaimer on a TV show, including televised events like Evel Knievel motorcycle jumps) of "Do not try this at home."

With all the crap that was done in the 60's through the 80's, my generation didnt turn out to be made of up of primarily abusive men who beat children and wives, we knew how to say yes sir, yes ma'm, how to pay respect to the flag, and what it meant to be an American.

However, it is not uncommon for me to see kids back talk adults, scream and yell because there parents didnt get them something at Walmart, parents are scared to discipline kids because as soon as they do, kids say they are going to report them for child abuse.

I have been talked to like trash for wearing a hat that says "Army Vet," seen American flags flying in the rain, out all night without being lit by a light, and frayed to the point of being little more than a rag.

I have been told I need to learn to speak a foreign language because of the Hispanics that cant speak English, or the people from various other countries dont make an effort to learn English.

And I am told I have a shitty outlook.

There was a civil war fought for the equality of men, so this country would actually live up to the words, "All men are created equal."

Today, all men are created equal unless you happen to be white, middle class, and over the age of forty, then you are shit to be scrapped off someone's shoes, even if you put your ass on the line for this country.



mnottertail -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/23/2014 1:00:11 PM)

scraped.



Greta75 -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/23/2014 1:02:01 PM)

quote:

I talked back, blatantly broke rules or just behaved in a manner that was socially unacceptable by any standards, I got spanked, sometimes with a bare hand, sometimes with a belt, and if I were at my grandmother's house, it was a razor strap.

21st Century, spank you child, go to jail for abuse.


I was born in 1981, and I still got beaten by the cane alot in school and at home. That's more painful than the belt. In school, it was public humiliation too, where you get caned infront of the whole school. And this is from a school where you would attend from 7 yrs old. I think all these beating of children is bullshit, and just an excuse for lazy parenting, I could never comprehend why any adult would encourage it.

We put adults behind bars if they beat another adult to discipline that adult. Why do we practice double standards with children? Worst of all, they are smaller and defenseless and can't defend themselves. I call it legal bullying in countries like mine where it's totally legal to beat the crap out of your child. It's not a crime until the child is hospitalized.

I agree with the new rules that you should go to jail if you spank a child. Violence is no excuse to use to solve problems. What is the adult teaching the child? My little brother beat my mom back when he was 10, because he was mimicking their behaviour. That when they are not happy with what he is doing, they beat him, so he did the same back to them.

I think he taught them that violence is a stupid way to solve children problems. They stopped beating him because the more they beat him, the more he fights back physically.




thompsonx -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/23/2014 1:19:05 PM)


ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I was born in 1961.

I joined the miliary that year.

I talked back, blatantly broke rules or just behaved in a manner that was socially unacceptable by any standards,

Nothing seems to have changed.

I got spanked, sometimes with a bare hand, sometimes with a belt, and if I were at my grandmother's house,

it was a razor strap.

Anyone who has been spanked with a razor strap knows it makes more noise than pain...so get over your self[8|]


21st Century, spank you child, go to jail for abuse.

You are full of shit. You go to jail for abusing a child not spank one.

1967 Pledge of allegiance was said after the bell rang, 1st and second grade teachers told stories out of the bible, prayer was allowed. Children required to be able to read and write English by the time they finished Elementary school, teachers weren't required to speak anything but English. The US flag on a shirt or jacket was allowed, and didn't offend any one.

21st Century, kids graduate high school barely able to speak English or balance a check book. The American flag is not allowed in schools, neither is prayer, the pledge, faith, and anything that might possibly offend anyone one.

Once again you are as full of shit as a christmas goose. If one graduates from high school today they can read and write english and ballance a check book. Not that anyone need one anymore with debit cards and credit cards.
The american flag flies at all schools. The peldge is still recited. Praying to your imaginary friend though has been discontinued.

1960's no one had to put a disclaimer on a TV show, including televised events like Evel Knievel motorcycle jumps) of "Do not try this at home."

With all the crap that was done in the 60's through the 80's, my generation didnt turn out to be made of up of primarily abusive men who beat children and wives,

It would be quite clear to the most casual observer that your generation most certainl did and continues to be abussive to their wives and children. Just as previous generations have and future generations will.

we knew how to say yes sir, yes ma'm, how to pay respect to the flag, and what it meant to be an American.

Like being stupid enough to involve yourself in a war of agrandisement.

However, it is not uncommon for me to see kids back talk adults, scream and yell because there parents didnt get them something at Walmart,

Do you mean just like you were when you were a child?


parents are scared to discipline kids because as soon as they do, kids say they are going to report them for child abuse.

Perhaps you ought to get a clue before you stuff both feet in your mouth. Cite for us where a parent was jailed for child abuse for disciplining their child.

I have been talked to like trash for wearing a hat that says "Army Vet,"

If you claim an affiliation with the murderers of women and children what do you expect? Imagine how you would have been talked to if you had been a real warrior who has a history of rape pillage and plunder instead of a "wannabe"?


seen American flags flying in the rain,

Perhaps you might want to acquaint yourself with the rules for displaying the flag before you stuff both feet in your mouth at the same time.

out all night without being lit by a light,



and frayed to the point of being little more than a rag.

Once again please refer to the rules for displaying the flag.

I have been told I need to learn to speak a foreign language because of the Hispanics that cant speak English,

If you are not capable of making yourself understood that would be your fault. You do, after all, live in a conquored province of a country who's native language is spanish.



And I am told I have a shitty outlook.

Perhaps it comes from having your head up your ass?

There was a civil war fought for the equality of men, so this country would actually live up to the words, "All men are created equal."

For phoques sake get a history book.


Today, all men are created equal unless you happen to be white, middle class, and over the age of forty,

When was the last time you were stopped and questioned for being white in public?



then you are shit to be scrapped off someone's shoes, even if you put your ass on the line for this country.

Who was shooting at you when you were in the army?




jlf1961 -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/23/2014 3:45:31 PM)

Hey thompson, please read:

United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 — The Flag
§1. Flag; stripes and stars on

The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be forty-eight stars [Note: Sec. 2 provides for additional stars; Today the flag has fifty stars representing the fifty states — Webmaster], white in a blue field
§2. Same; additional stars

On the admission of a new State into the Union one star shall be added to the union of the flag; and such addition shall take effect on the fourth day of July then next succeeding such admission
§3. Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag

Any person who, within the District of Columbia, in any manner, for exhibition or display, shall place or cause to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing, or any advertisement of any nature upon any flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America; or shall expose or cause to be exposed to public view any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign upon which shall have been printed, painted, or otherwise placed, or to which shall be attached, appended, affixed, or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, or drawing, or any advertisement of any nature; or who, within the District of Columbia, shall manufacture, sell, expose for sale, or to public view, or give away or have in possession for sale, or to be given away or for use for any purpose, any article or substance being an article of merchandise, or a receptacle for merchandise or article or thing for carrying or transporting merchandise, upon which shall have been printed, painted, attached, or otherwise placed a representation of any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign, to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark, or distinguish the article or substance on which so placed shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100 or by imprisonment for not more than thirty days, or both, in the discretion of the court. The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.
§4. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery

The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.", should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute. [See Congressional Notes re use of "under God."]
§5. Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; definition

The following codification of existing rules and customs pertaining to the display and use of the flag of the United States of America be, and it is hereby, established for the use of such civilians or civilian groups or organizations as may not be required to conform with regulations promulgated by one or more executive departments of the Government of the United States. The flag of the United States for the purpose of this chapter shall be defined according to title 4, United States Code, Chapter 1, Section 1 and Section 2 and Executive Order 10834 issued pursuant thereto.
§6. Time and occasions for display

It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.
The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered ceremoniously.
The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all-weather flag is displayed.
The flag should be displayed on all days, especially on
New Year's Day, January 1
Inauguration Day, January 20
Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday, third Monday in January
Lincoln's Birthday, February 12
Washington's Birthday, third Monday in February
Easter Sunday (variable)
Mother's Day, second Sunday in May
Armed Forces Day, third Saturday in May
Memorial Day (half-staff until noon), the last Monday in May
Flag Day, June 14
Father's Day, third Sunday in June
Independence Day, July 4
Labor Day, first Monday in September
Constitution Day, September 17
Columbus Day, second Monday in October
Navy Day, October 27
Veterans Day, November 11
Thanksgiving Day, fourth Thursday in November
Christmas Day, December 25
and such other days as may be proclaimed by the President of the United States
the birthdays of States (date of admission)
and on State holidays.

The flag should be displayed daily on or near the main administration building of every public institution.
The flag should be displayed in or near every polling place on election days.
The flag should be displayed during school days in or near every schoolhouse.

§7. Position and manner of display

The flag, when carried in a procession with another flag or flags, should be either on the marching right; that is, the flag's own right, or, if there is a line of other flags, in front of the center of that line.

The flag should not be displayed on a float in a parade except from a staff, or as provided in subsection (i) of this section.
The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.
No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.
The flag of the United States of America, when it is displayed with another flag against a wall from crossed staffs, should be on the right, the flag's own right, and its staff should be in front of the staff of the other flag.
The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs.
When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag's right.
When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.
When the flag of the United States is displayed from a staff projecting horizontally or at an angle from the window sill, balcony, or front of a building, the union of the flag should be placed at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half-staff. When the flag is suspended over a sidewalk from a rope extending from a house to a pole at the edge of the sidewalk, the flag should be hoisted out, union first, from the building.
When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street.
When the flag is displayed over the middle of the street, it should be suspended vertically with the union to the north in an east and west street or to the east in a north and south street.
When used on a speaker's platform, the flag, if displayed flat, should be displayed above and behind the speaker. When displayed from a staff in a church or public auditorium, the flag of the United States of America should hold the position of superior prominence, in advance of the audience, and in the position of honor at the clergyman's or speaker's right as he faces the audience. Any other flag so displayed should be placed on the left of the clergyman or speaker or to the right of the audience.
The flag should form a distinctive feature of the ceremony of unveiling a statue or monument, but it should never be used as the covering for the statue or monument.
The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, or the death of a member of the Armed Forces from any State, territory, or possession who dies while serving on active duty, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff, and the same authority is provided to the Mayor of the District of Columbia with respect to present or former officials of the District of Columbia and members of the Armed Forces from the District of Columbia. The flag shall be flown at half-staff 30 days from the death of the President or a former President; 10 days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. The flag shall be flown at half-staff on Peace Officers Memorial Day, unless that day is also Armed Forces Day. As used in this subsection —
the term "half-staff" means the position of the flag when it is one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff;
the term "executive or military department" means any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United States Code; and
the term "Member of Congress" means a Senator, a Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico.
When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder. The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch the ground.
When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions, the union should be to the east.

§8. Respect for flag

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning

§9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag

During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present in uniform should render the military salute. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Citizens of other countries present should stand at attention. All such conduct toward the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes.
§10. Modification of rules and customs by President

Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation
United States Code Title 36

Who the fuck is talking shit or dont know how to display a flag? You are blowing shit out your ass.

And since you claim to be a vet, you should have known this. Thus, I put as much stock in your expertise as I put in Obama telling the truth about Obama care, or what he will and will not do dealing with ISIS, I mean he said no troops would be sent to Iraq, and he has already ordered a divisional headquarters unit deployed, you need a division command staff to give orders to 200+ advisers?

Oh yeah, how about ordering the execution of American citizens? I thought we were guaranteed a fucking trial fuckwad?

Oh, I forgot, some liberals think we can pick and choose what parts of the constitution we need to follow...



BamaD -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/23/2014 4:00:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

I talked back, blatantly broke rules or just behaved in a manner that was socially unacceptable by any standards, I got spanked, sometimes with a bare hand, sometimes with a belt, and if I were at my grandmother's house, it was a razor strap.

21st Century, spank you child, go to jail for abuse.


I was born in 1981, and I still got beaten by the cane alot in school and at home. That's more painful than the belt. In school, it was public humiliation too, where you get caned infront of the whole school. And this is from a school where you would attend from 7 yrs old. I think all these beating of children is bullshit, and just an excuse for lazy parenting, I could never comprehend why any adult would encourage it.

We put adults behind bars if they beat another adult to discipline that adult. Why do we practice double standards with children? Worst of all, they are smaller and defenseless and can't defend themselves. I call it legal bullying in countries like mine where it's totally legal to beat the crap out of your child. It's not a crime until the child is hospitalized.

I agree with the new rules that you should go to jail if you spank a child. Violence is no excuse to use to solve problems. What is the adult teaching the child? My little brother beat my mom back when he was 10, because he was mimicking their behaviour. That when they are not happy with what he is doing, they beat him, so he did the same back to them.

I think he taught them that violence is a stupid way to solve children problems. They stopped beating him because the more they beat him, the more he fights back physically.



Canning and spanking are not at all the same thing.



thompsonx -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/23/2014 4:17:18 PM)


ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Hey thompson, please read:

Please note the bolded sections.[8|]

United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 — The Flag
§1. Flag; stripes and stars on

The United States Flag Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the flag of the United States. It is Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. § 1 et seq). This is a U.S. federal law, but there is no penalty for failure to comply with it and the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code


§4. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery

The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.", should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute.


[See Congressional Notes re use of "under God."]

Now why did you not post this part?

§5. Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; definition

Here you can find pictures of bush & his wife standing on a doormat flag and ms. palin autographing an american flag. Also the list of places wher the flag is flown 24/7.

http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question7857.html



Who the fuck is talking shit or dont know how to display a flag? You are blowing shit out your ass.

Hardly...what I am doing is showing that you are totally igorant of the law.

And since you claim to be a vet, you should have known this.

As a vet I know the difference between an advisory statement and a law with penalities for infraction.


Thus, I put as much stock in your expertise as I put in Obama telling the truth about Obama care, or what he will and will not do dealing with ISIS, I mean he said no troops would be sent to Iraq, and he has already ordered a divisional headquarters unit deployed, you need a division command staff to give orders to 200+ advisers?

Oh yeah, how about ordering the execution of American citizens? I thought we were guaranteed a fucking trial fuckwad?

Had you taken the time to read any of my more than 10k post you would have noticed that I find the only difference between this punk and the last one is that this one has bigger ears and is a bit more articulate.

Oh, I forgot, some liberals think we can pick and choose what parts of the constitution we need to follow...

So far you have not discussed any part of the constitution. Only an advisory about how to handle the flag.



Politesub53 -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/23/2014 5:06:02 PM)

quote:

JLF:

There was a civil war fought for the equality of men, so this country would actually live up to the words, "All men are created equal."


Whichever war you meant, you are wrong either way, neither was fought so all men could live up to the words "All men are created equal".



Edwynn -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/23/2014 6:30:44 PM)

~FR~

My siblings and I grew up in the '50s-'70s when use of the belt at home and the yardstick or paddle at school were accepted as 'normal.' No one in our house behaved near as badly as you did, but the belt still came into use on occasion, because it was basically assumed by parents that that was expected of them by society for certain infractions. Face slapping was also not uncommon. Parents back then were not 'monsters,' they were only doing what they did because the mindset of the time almost required it.

Thankfully, that mindset had changed by the time my sisters had a turn at raising their own kids. Out of a cumulative total of six kids among them, a total of four spankings (hand, no belt) occurred during childhood. On all occasions the two sisters (of three mothers) who resorted to that only did so because the child was very difficult to deal with and they both said they only tried it to see if it would do any good after all the other things they tried. It did not have any more affect than all the other things they tried, so they stopped doing it. Your own account of your ongoing bratyness and socially reckless behavior also seems to prove the same thing, that the spankings or beltings had no overall effect, since you were an ongoing multiple repeat offender.

In any case, all six kids (including the two youngest teenagers) are/were at least as respectful to adults as their mothers and uncles were, including the four of them who never got spanked once.

I am not surprised. In fact, I'm fairly certain that they were (as teens) even more respectful than my siblings and I were towards adults. It was hard for me to have respect for my friends' parents who I knew used the belt on them for relatively minor infractions. Really hard. And the same thing at school. That most certainly affected my attitude toward adults generally, and not in a good way.









LittleGirlHeart -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/23/2014 6:54:19 PM)

My mom was a very firm believer in spanking us, slapping our faces or verbally abusin us, she says it's my neighbor's fault her 13 year olds are mouthy messy and irresponsible, because she won't spank them . I am not very popular when i speak up, i tell her spanking does not work, you spanked us and all it acomplished was maing ussullen, withdrawn and worse behaved. Plus i also a few times decided to run away


Plus when i was maybe 10 she slapped me in front of some friends so hard she left a hand print, and after that istarted slapping back I am 31 and her attitude about how to treat kids have left long standing emotional scars and hard feelings in both my brother an I. Her beliefs are such that if I ever had kid's she would not be alllwed to be unattended or babysit my kids. She has alreadysaid once if she wa babysitting kidsan they acted out she would spank them regardless of if their parents believed in spanking them or not. It i stupid to tell Grandma she can't spank her grand kids.



quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

I was born in 1981, and I still got beaten by the cane alot in school and at home. That's more painful than the belt. In school, it was public humiliation too, where you get caned infront of the whole school. And this is from a school where you would attend from 7 yrs old. I think all these beating of children is bullshit, and just an excuse for lazy parenting, I could never comprehend why any adult would encourage it.

We put adults behind bars if they beat another adult to discipline that adult. Why do we practice double standards with children? Worst of all, they are smaller and defenseless and can't defend themselves. I call it legal bullying in countries like mine where it's totally legal to beat the crap out of your child. It's not a crime until the child is hospitalized.

I agree with the new rules that you should go to jail if you spank a child. Violence is no excuse to use to solve problems. What is the adult teaching the child? My little brother beat my mom back when he was 10, because he was mimicking their behaviour. That when they are not happy with what he is doing, they beat him, so he did the same back to them.

I think he taught them that violence is a stupid way to solve children problems. They stopped beating him because the more they beat him, the more he fights back physically.






Edwynn -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/23/2014 7:10:28 PM)


Just to be clear, my previous post was in response to the OP, not Politesub53, hence use of the FR.

For some reason the Quote or Reply function (to the OP) wouldn't work at the time.



Greta75 -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/24/2014 1:49:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Canning and spanking are not at all the same thing.

Canning is spanking, just that one uses hands and the other uses cane.

The news today just made me so mad. A 60 yr old woman beat her 10 yr old grandchild in the public train until her umbrella broke into 2. A fuckin' umbrella broke into 2!!! And then lawyers were commenting that only through medical check up if the child sustain serious enough injuries can the grandma be charged. Wow! Of Course nobody intervene to save the child, because she has not broken any law, and by defending the child, the child may get a worst beating at home. Most of us are used to such brutal beatings growing up so we know and didn't interfere. It's pretty hard to change this when it's culturally acceptable to physically discipline your child. And many claim good results with high achieving children and good grades.

I only just learnt recently that the "spare the rod spoil the child" rule actually came from the stupid bible! Guess who I am blaming for this? I won't blame Christians. I am blaming whoever wrote the bible. I just think religion teaches ignorant things sometimes, like spare the rod spoil the child!



eulero83 -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/24/2014 4:06:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I talked back, blatantly broke rules or just behaved in a manner that was socially unacceptable by any standards,

Nothing seems to have changed.



apparently it changed just that now he is the one suffering this kind of behaviour and not the perpetrator, so it's just recently that he develloped this need of vengeance for his discomfort.



eulero83 -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/24/2014 4:16:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I only just learnt recently that the "spare the rod spoil the child" rule actually came from the stupid bible! Guess who I am blaming for this? I won't blame Christians. I am blaming whoever wrote the bible. I just think religion teaches ignorant things sometimes, like spare the rod spoil the child!



It's not to stop you from blaming the jews, but at the time around the world that was the trend in other cultures, too. For the romans the child was property of the father by law and he had right of life and death on them. It's just since 100 years ago people started questioning this system.



MariaB -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/24/2014 5:12:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Today, all men are created equal unless you happen to be white, middle class, and over the age of forty, then you are shit to be scrapped off someone's shoes, even if you put your ass on the line for this country.


But class snobbery is still alive and well. [:D]



calamitysandra -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/24/2014 5:26:11 AM)

There is a interpretation of the "spare the rod, spoil the child", that believes the rod mentioned is the sheperds staff, the meaning being that you should guide your child.

As for spanking, there has been a recent study in the news.

Personally, I belive that if you are unable to discipline your child without resorting to violence, that speaks to your lazy and poor parenting.

I have virtually nothing to say on the flag issues, other that from the other side of the pond it looks quite rediculous to get worked up about this.

What I am seeing is somebody getting older and dealing badly with the social and moral changes in the world around him.
This has been going on since the beginning of times. It is something we all expirience. The world changes, and often we believe it is for the worst, as it differs from what we are used to. It is our choice how we deal with those changes, though. We can get embittered and angry, or we can try to be a positive force.

By the way, learning a new language is a great way to keep our brain working at its best.



ChrchofDrk -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/24/2014 9:40:02 AM)

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Personally, I belive that if you are unable to discipline your child without resorting to violence, that speaks to your lazy and poor parenting.


So you're saying my parents had poor and lazy parenting skills because my father took a military belt to my ass when I needed it? ... Kindly go fuck yourself. Thanks



calamitysandra -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/24/2014 9:50:13 AM)

I am saying that with the knowledge we have today, that yes, it would be lazy and poor parenting. Using a tool (the belt) would also make it child abuse today, and in my mind rightly so.

However, judging the past using our current knowledge horizon is not viable.
So no, I did not say anything about your parents, but thank you for being offended anyway. [8|]



littleladybug -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/24/2014 9:57:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

By the way, learning a new language is a great way to keep our brain working at its best.


Isn't that the truth? Just think about all of the people who come into a new country and actually learn the native language...their brains must be working incredibly well...





ChrchofDrk -> RE: Alright, here is the way it was and is now (10/24/2014 10:01:53 AM)

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I am saying that with the knowledge we have today, that yes, it would be lazy and poor parenting. Using a tool (the belt) would also make it child abuse today, and in my mind rightly so.


What great knowledge might that be? Because for the most part of what I see today is incredibly poorly behaved children who know no consequence. Who think themselves entitled and that they really don't have to work for anything they want. All they have to do is demand it to get their way. Nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats. Violence isn't always the right answer. But it sometimes is and I don't see any problem with taking a belt to little punks ass if that's what that little punk needs to learn a better way



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