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switchitupper -> Messaging (10/27/2014 7:54:11 PM)

I am new here and before I start asking around, I was wondering if I could get some tips on how to write a proper message to a Domme, so as to get a reply or to peek their interest. Is there a proper way that I should address them?




FieryOpal -> RE: Messaging (10/27/2014 8:53:00 PM)

We're on a sex site, but one of the first mistakes that men make is to assume that they can start off talking about sex, as if we are not strangers. Your advantage, from what I can see of your profile, is that you come across as a *normal* (read as "safe") guy, you're not hiding your picture, and if I were about 20 years younger, I might go for you myself. [;)]

Seriously though, just act as if this were a regular vanilla dating site and you want to impress a lady. Strike that. Don't act like many of them do on those sites who come across like horndogs looking for a quick NSA hook-up. Be a gentleman, courteous and conversational, the sort of man a woman would be proud to introduce to her family and friends. The same as out in the vanilla world.

1. Read profiles thoroughly first. My mantra is READ A PROFILE. Read JEs (journal entries).

2. See whether you realistically fit what the Domme is seeking and whether that matches what you're looking for.
If you don't fit more than 2-3 items specified, don't expect a response. If you're within a couple years on either side of an age range, I'd say go for it. Women list these for a reason, and it really is none of your business why your age isn't acceptable to her.
Location might be problematic. I'm always suspicious of anybody who can relocate at the drop of a hat. This tells me (unless otherwise stated) that the person doesn't have job security or an established career and/or doesn't have firm roots. (He might be a flake or disingenuous.)
If you are not local, use your judgment there whether you could visit her for your first meeting within 2-3 months, and then if things get off the ground, whether you could see her regularly once a month. Don't make promises you can't keep which will come back to haunt you.

3. Look whether there is a key word or words which needs to be contained in your cold contact message. INCLUDE IT/THOSE or else expect that your message will get automatically deleted.

4. If her profile or user name contains an honorific, address her as such. Some Dommes get turned off by being addressed differently. When in doubt, Dear [User Name] should be fine.

5. Compliments are nice, but insincere compliments are not. Write a sentence or two which shows you are personalizing your message and make it stand out.

6. Try to keep your message no longer than 2-3 paragraphs. Whatever the Domme wants to know about you, she'll ask. Feel free to reveal as much about yourself as you normally would in person, but don't let your communications become one-sided. You have a right to know about potential deal breakers and to set limits for yourself.

Since you are a switch, you need to give yourself a Top/bottom ratio. If you are unsure, then say you are a sub with a few switch tendencies; otherwise, most Dommes won't want to consider you. If you feel that you could be a bedroom submissive, but want a more egalitarian relationship outside of the bedroom, then be honest and upfront about that. (This means you are not a lifestyler who wants to get collared and does TPE 24/7. If you do seek to be owned by a Mistress, then indicate so, but it's not necessary to go into this in your first message.) However, don't be disappointed if a Domme specifies she wants a slave and then doesn't respond to being contacted by a switch.

Once you have started exchanging messages with a Domme, keep in mind that you might be expected to "prove" your subbliness. Until you are in a D/s dynamic with a Domme, you are both of equal stature. When in doubt, do as an attentive gentleman suitor would do, and you can't go wrong there. Let the lady set the pace, unless you're uncomfortable with it moving too quickly for you, then don't hesitate to communicate that without appearing as though you are losing interest.

Good luck, fella. I have a feeling you'll do just fine as long as you're patient and use your common sense. [:)]




FriendlyMuppet -> RE: Messaging (10/27/2014 9:08:10 PM)

Anytime I've ever made contact it's usually after I've done a great deal of research to know that I'm going to be someone that she's probably interested in. When you're messaging someone because she looks hot, you're probably going to get the typical response that comes from that sort of initial introduction, which is why I spend a great deal of time reading through her messages on the boards, or if possible, knowing of her or about her from the real world first (like if she's in the bdsm community and we've connected there at some point). What I have discovered is that when I do make contact, it's generally a positive experience because she knows that I've researched to see that she might be interested (and often I'll send a short introduction that indicates that I would be interested in further conversation as well; if not interested, then I count my losses and go back to what I was doing before).

Strangely enough, I get contacted by more dominant women than I contact from my end. I think that's because I'm generally apprehensive about making contact, and quite often someone just sends me a message because of something I've written on a board or some other such action.

I think when people realize you're a real person, not trolling, and not trying to score with anything that moves and breathes, connections become that much more positive and forthcoming.




DarkSteven -> RE: Messaging (10/27/2014 9:13:38 PM)

Hi there. Let me give you my suggestions, using FieryOpal's profile. If I were an available sub male contacting her, I would think as follows:

Her profile text doesn't give me a lot to discuss. It's just about her philosophy of the lifestyle and female led relationships. If I agree, there's not much conversation, and if I disagree, it'll just be an argument.

So go with her Likes/Dislikes. Looking at her Loves, there are a bunch of kinkthings and then Fine Dining, Movies, Intellectual Discourse, and Alternative Music.

Here are the four messages I would write to her based on each.

"Hi there. My name is NAME. I was browsing your profile and I saw that you Love Fine Dining. I was curious - does that mean eating out, eating at home, or both? I've made Italian and Greek meals at my house and plan to learn Moroccan cooking next."

"Hi there. My name is NAME. I was browsing your profile and I saw that you Love Movies. Can I ask which genre? I tend to like comedies, especially screwball comedies like Airplane and the Naked Gun series, but I also like Black Orpheus and Black Swan."

"Hi there. My name is NAME. I was browsing your profile and I saw that you Love Intellectual Discourse. What sorts of conversation topics do you prefer? I like talking about languages and cultures, mythology, and politics."

"Hi there. My name is NAME. I was browsing your profile and I saw that you Love Alternative Music. May I ask what genres you like, and which bands?"




FieryOpal -> RE: Messaging (10/27/2014 9:23:57 PM)

Sweetie, you forgot my key words. But with such nice intro messages, I might overlook that. [;)]




DarkSteven -> RE: Messaging (10/27/2014 9:27:27 PM)

Um, yeah, switchitupper. I forgot to mention. Always check the profile to see if she included a key phrase to screen.

DESERT ROSE!!! DESERT ROSE!!!

She called me "sweetie"... sigh




GoddessManko -> RE: Messaging (10/27/2014 11:34:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Um, yeah, switchitupper. I forgot to mention. Always check the profile to see if she included a key phrase to screen.

DESERT ROSE!!! DESERT ROSE!!!

She called me "sweetie"... sigh


THIS and read to see if she has any other hidden protocols. Be as open as possible to doing things on her terms and it will increase your chances of getting into her good graces.

By the way Fiery,as per relocation,I disagree.Many of my friends travel. One relocated to Uzbekistan, another to Thailand very recently. They enjoy travel, it's their thing. I also have a friend from Ukraine,one from Romania and another from Brazil who all hung out with me on the same little corner of Florida beach. Both my relocated friends work from home like me. So asking why relocation is possible might be the golden ticket.




FieryOpal -> RE: Messaging (10/28/2014 12:38:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko
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By the way Fiery,as per relocation,I disagree.Many of my friends travel. One relocated to Uzbekistan, another to Thailand very recently. They enjoy travel, it's their thing. I also have a friend from Ukraine,one from Romania and another from Brazil who all hung out with me on the same little corner of Florida beach. Both my relocated friends work from home like me. So asking why relocation is possible might be the golden ticket.

I'm more of a homebody and don't want a travelling businessman or to have to deal with an international relocation - stateside continental U.S. would entail enough unwelcome complications in my life - but thanks for the thought. It might be doable for someone else.

Besides, then I'd have to lock him up in a chastity device with a remote electro-shock mechanism (like a Swiss businessman friend of mine does), and I don't get into all that kind of stuff. [8D]




switchitupper -> RE: Messaging (10/28/2014 4:54:22 AM)

Thank you everyone for all the suggestions, I'll will be sure to take all of them into account. FieryOpal I would say that I am more submissive in the bedroom. So I will definitely let the women that I talk to know that. Thank you for the help!




EmpressElsa -> RE: Messaging (10/28/2014 2:50:54 PM)

TIP* Do not obsessively talk about your fetishes, fantasies, turn ons, etc.

When I am ready to interview new potential personal slaves, one thing that will turn me away fast is the inability to talk about non-BDSM topics. I was interested in someone recently but he kept trying to turn the conversation to being a sissy in chastity. Every conversation he would try to go there despite us already having talked about the details of what we were both seeking. He would even ask questions about being a sissy that I had already answered.

Within a few days I stopped talking to him because I was so annoyed. He didn't care about who I was as a person, he didn't even offer to be of service when I told him I was moving in a few days. But, he sure kept trying to get that chastity and sissy chat. Some personal slave eh! It quickly became evident that he was either clueless or was a wanker whose only interest was his fetishes. It reminded me of vanilla guys who take a girl to dinner and can't stop talking about sex the entire date.

The lesson for you? Have flexible conversations. Naturally you will discuss mutual BDSM needs/interests, but get to know the Domme too. Who is she as a person outside of being a Domme?




missalphasubtoy -> RE: Messaging (10/28/2014 7:22:09 PM)

I would say, in addition to the above, just introduce yourself:

Hi I am ____, __ years old and I am from ____. I live in ______ neighborhood of ______ city. I do_____ for a living and in my free time I love doing ____ and ______. I have been interested in D/sfor ____ years and I have _____ experience (or none). please let me know if you have any questions about background, interests and anything that you might find useful. I really liked reading your profile and I feel like I fit what you seek based on _____ (MENTION A SPECIFIC ITEM ON THE PROFILE ) and (MENTION ANOTHER SPECIFIC ITEM ON THE PROFILE )

(DO NOT SAY ANYTHING GENERIC LIKE "SPORTS" - SAY, FOR INSTANCE, I LOVE WATCHING FOOTBALL OR RUNNING EARLY IN THE MORNING. DON'T SAY "MUSEUMS" SAY :"I LOVE CONTEMPORARY ART, ESPECIALLY PHOTOGRAPHY". That shows you are a real person. Don't mirror what is written on the Domme's profile to the point where it looks like you are lying about who you are just to please her. BE YOURSELF.

DO NOT MENTION fetishesl, DO NOT mention her appearance (i.e. your photo is hot OR "I would love to be on my knees to serve you").

The #1 thing I am looking for is to find out where you stand in the world: what kind of person you are, what interests you, what you seek. Vanilla compatibility is 95% of it for me. There are two big problems on this website: 1. people pretending they are someone they are not (lots of married men and people about 10-15 older than what is written on their profile) 2. making sure these people are real and that their stories check. There are so many men who just want a kinky experience. These dudes generally say outright they are looking for casual play/have a laundry list of fetishes/have explicit photos on their profile. Don't be that guy!!!

The way to stand out is to show you are a real person and that you have nothing to hide.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Messaging (10/29/2014 7:24:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: switchitupper

I am new here and before I start asking around, I was wondering if I could get some tips on how to write a proper message to a Domme, so as to get a reply or to peek their interest. Is there a proper way that I should address them?


Excellent question Switch....a common one asked by many male subs.

First, always be approachable. This is key.

Second, be respectful....never use the phrase "hey bitch....I was out just being my amazing self and it occurred to me (naturally) that you'd like to hop on this gargantuan cock".

Start off with a slow approach; "Hey babe, you're hot. I bet you get asked by a lot of dudes if you want to fuck. But, here's the deal....I wouldn't fuck you if you paid me" (leave 'em hanging Switch...that's always the key....wanting more as they say). Once they're on the hook (and frankly, that approach will hook them), come on strong (second email....wait 4 days before responding); "Okay I'd fuck you, but only if you brought your sister along".

This associates you with family. Makes you more likeable. Makes you someone she'd want to introduce to her Mom or Dad (Trust me on this). It's as close to asking to meet the parents as you can get without actually saying the words.

The above puts you on the home stretch.

From there, play it smooth, play it cool, play it light.

(And just to be clear, this is NOT the time, even as you may feel you're connecting.....bonding, to bring in plushies, RealDolls or anything other than her and her sister).

I'm here for you man.




MistressLeSang -> RE: Messaging (11/14/2014 9:22:15 AM)

So many really great replies. All Dommes should refer potential subs to this discussion. Thank you.
I agree that there is a great number of married men on this website who are just looking for a kinky lover on the side. A married gentleman contacted Me some time ago. I explained to him that I may have a married sub to serve Me but it will be a service-oriented servitude if things progress well. There are certain activities I engage in if my submissive/slave is single and available for real relationship. The married gentleman was very surprised by My response as he thought that being a sub translated into being someone's kinky casual sex partner. So it is a good idea for a sub to state what kind of interaction you are interested in.
And of course I even met a man who wanted to meet Me but refused to give Me his phone number to organize a proper meeting as he `had been chased by female stalkers before`. When I suggested to get a temporary sim card with an additional number which he can switch off if I happen to be a stalker he still did not do it ( which tells a lot about whether he is really single). So I refused to meet him. After that I included in My profile `I will not be able to meet you if you are not prepared to exchange phone numbers`. There are many people on this website who have met me and even became My friends who can confirm I am a genuine life style Mistress and definitely not a stalker. So please be ready to exchange phone numbers with a Domme at some stage if things go well.
At the same time there are a lot of really nice people on this website. There are really great points mentioned by Mistresses and Masters in this discussion.
You are welcome to also check BDSM ETIQUETTE included in My profile for additional ideas.
Some tips on how to address a Mistress in Her profile will give you a good idea and help you to make a positive first impression.
Thank you.
Mistress LeSang




crumpets -> RE: Messaging (11/14/2014 9:43:02 AM)

As stated, the journal entries and the forum posts say more about a person than does their profile.




FieryOpal -> RE: Messaging (11/14/2014 3:09:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crumpets

As stated, the journal entries and the forum posts say more about a person than does their profile.

I am so glad that in the short amount of time you've been here, that you've figured this out. Bravo. There are guys who've been on this site for years sniveling about how they can't find a Domme because they lack the initiative to do their homework. (Too busy getting their nekkid wimmens pic fix daily. Dudes, when you only comment on my photo gallery [which does NOT contain any of those, I hasten to add] and forget my key words and mention nothing specific about my profile, this just tells me you are trawling around on this site.)

Previously, I didn't mention forum posts. They guys who regularly post or lurk on the forum side are savvy in that regard. I figured it might be an overload for a new user who spends most of his time on the profile side to soak it all in at once.

By all means, let the L/lady you contact know that you went the extra mile. There's only one person who's contacted me on the profile side so far that wasn't a forum regular who actually did his homework with me, and I was impressed. (We aren't suited romantically, but we ended up becoming on-line friends.) If there have been any others, they kept quiet about it so I couldn't tell. [X(]




Bhruic -> RE: Messaging (11/15/2014 12:16:13 PM)

*pique

Good spelling and grammar almost always helps.




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