CreativeDominant
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant I made a mistake. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC_controversies I notice that most of these so called controversies are "assertions" of one sort or another. Which is quite different from the quite well proven lie we're discussing here. Would that be assertions such as this? I know you aren't trained in any sort of reality based thought but don't you even understand English? Most means most not cherry picking. If you actually examine the page in question you'll find that the assertions about things are the majority. And we're still discussing a blatant lie not some assertion of bias. Yes, I understand English quite well...well enough to know that your use of the word "most" was strained. And that what I stated were, in 3 of the 4 cases I cited, examples of lying by MSNBC. Then maybe you should have actually understood my post instead of trying to post obvious non sequiturs? And none of those cases are actually clear lies BTW. Romney did go on for several minutes about a custom sandwich it's on video. Using photoshopped images is a far cry from lying on air and Romney is a devout Mormon and Mormon positions on evolution and the age of the Earth are so primitive to be comparable to that of that of the Flat Earth Society. Theyre not in your...and probably other leftists'...opinion. But Romney did go on about something else other than a sandwich, did he not? And that part...edited out...without explanation formed the lie. Lying by omission is still lying. Try telling a romantic partner that it's not. Using photoshopped images without acknowledging to their audience that they are photoshopped and not owning up to it until called on it is a lie committed by manipulation through visualization. Whatever Romney's religious belief and what you or others, including me, think of them...somehow using those beliefs to consign him to membership in a group to which he does not belong would be a lie. Sort of like the one those on the left accuse those who say "all Muslims follow the more radical tenets of the Koran" of being guilty of. Belief in a faith does not automatically mean you follow all beliefs of that faith, now does it? You're having to justify each and not very well. The facts are not on your side. Did Romney spend several minutes discussing the wonders of getting a sandwich? Yes. That he eventually mentioned something else is actually irrelevant. Using obviously photoshopped images, and they were obvious, as jokes is not a lie. That right wingers got their panties in a twist meant that the show's host had to issue an apology to shut up the whiners. Romney is a devout Mormon. Mormon ideology is that the Earth is 6000 years old and the book of Genesis is literally true. That does actually include a statement that the Earth has 4 corners. Until he actually says that he doesn't hold those beliefs it has to be the default position that he does. Romney and the sandwich: Anchorwoman Andrea Mitchell was caught showing a doctored video clip of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney at a rally in Pennsylvania. In the edited version it has Mitt Romney saying how amazing it is to get a custom made sandwich, using a touch screen ordering device at a Wawa convenience store. What viewers didn't see or hear was nearly three minutes of Romney discussing the extensive amount of paperwork faced by an optometrist he'd talked to in trying to get the post office to change his address. He expressed mock amazement at Wawa's efficiency to underscore how the private sector is often more efficient than Government. I don't see anywhere in that post where the word "eventually"...indicating sometime after the sandwich...was used. So, he actually could've been discussing the problem spoken of before the sandwich. As for the problem noted, when put in context, it is not irrelevant except...perhaps...to those who do think the government is a model of efficiency. As for the photoshopped images of Sarah Palin being an "obvious joke", the fact that it was done just days before the election makes it even more funny doesn't it? As for it being right-wingers whose whining brought on the apology: Ratigan apologized a few days later stating, "I want to apologize to Governor Palin and all of our viewers. On Friday, in a very misguided attempt to have some fun in advance of Sarah Palin's upcoming book Going Rogue, our staff mistakenly used some clearly photoshopped images of Ms. Palin without any acknowledgment." On today’s “Morning Meeting,” Dylan Ratigan and company had a segment asking why Americans are so wild about Sarah Palin. During the segment, Ratigan showed photos of Palin that, as Newsbusters and Snopes.com point out, were photoshopped. Ratigan introduces the “Top 10″ segment by saying its “to have some fun,” but still no one identified that the images onscreen were doctored or referenced that fact in any way. The first is from Wiki and the second from mediabistro. Nothing about whining from right wingers forcing the apology. Finally...YOUR default position because of Romney's Mormon religion. (from Wiki)Chris Matthews: Matthews,[60][61] host of the MSNBC TV show Hardball with Chris Matthews aired an interview with former GOP Chairman Michael Steele on Sunday April 23, 2012. In the interview, Matthews incorrectly stated that Mitt Romney is a "flat-earther" and does not believe in evolution. He also called the GOP "the Grand Wizard Crowd", for which he later apologized. (In regards to Evolution): “I believe that God designed the universe and created the universe, and I believe evolution is most likely the process he used to create the human body.” "The FACT is that Romney “partly believes” in evolution: he credited evolution for the development of man, but he also credited God for designing and creating the universe. Romney’s Creationist view of cosmology is a stance which is contrary to dominant consensus view in the greater scientific community, or as “they” say, it makes you “anti-science”. To mainstream scientists, a Creationist cosmology is forbidden…Es ist Verboten!" "The fact is there are indeed hundreds of degreed scientists who are skeptical of Darwinian Evolution on a scientific, not a religious, basis. There is currently a great debate about this in academic circles."
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