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MrRodgers -> Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/4/2014 5:12:06 PM)

This is for informational purposes and not entirely mine but I tend to agree.

Resumes of students, 1000 applicants. Blacks favored blacks 73 of the time, whites favored blacks only 27%. You with me ?

BUT applicants of the same political party, favored...80% and even when other students had better credentials.

1960 survey, 5% of EACH repubs and dems said they'd be displeased if their child married somebody from the other party.

2010 survey 49% of repubs and 33% of dems said they'd be displeased if their child married somebody from the other party.

Now this tells us not just disagreement but parties, determine your essential worth as a human being as measure by your political label.

This now means whether or not [they] should be married, trusted and even discriminated against.

Modern social phenomenon, personal life...is being demoralized while political life is being horribly moralized. People have become more judgmental not about lifestyles but more about party labels and political policy.

Political issues are no longer just about the issue at hand but are now symbols of worth and dignity. It's pervading these forums as well. Seems almost every post denigrates into insults and some ridiculous need to demean the poster and the messenger and are soon...not at all about the issue under discussion.

So, it's not about whether the tax rate should be higher or lower but about the existential fabric of your life itself.

To compromise now is to deny your identity. Discussions soon become dumber, discounting divergent viewpoints and any competing thought.

To judge people on their political labels is to purposefully devalue them. Now nothing from 'this person' is worth listening to.

This is Partyism and it is going to ruin the social fabric of America if it keeps up and hasn't begin already.





Musicmystery -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/4/2014 5:34:08 PM)

What the fuck are you talking about?

Where do these ridiculous "data" come from?

How, for example, would an employer even *know* an applicant's party?

Lay off the sauce for a while. Trying doing half a pill.

Wow.




MrRodgers -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/4/2014 5:50:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What the fuck are you talking about?

Where do these ridiculous "data" come from?

How, for example, would an employer even *know* an applicant's party?

Lay off the sauce for a while. Trying doing half a pill.

Wow.

Wow indeed...this is a good start.

The applications were for scholarships and had both racial affiliation and political affiliation ques in a few of the questions.

See how drinking the sauce of presumptions already slants your thinking ? So easy isn't it ?

Imagining if necessary for partisan purposes which is the whole fucking point...I made this stuff up ?




Musicmystery -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/4/2014 6:01:02 PM)

Got any support for this drivel?




MrRodgers -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/4/2014 7:01:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Got any support for this drivel?

You mean the drivel that makes up far too much of this and other political blogs, forums and what passes for discussion in general on the Internet ?

So you if think I just made it all up. well you know what...that's ok.




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/4/2014 7:17:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

This is for informational purposes and not entirely mine but I tend to agree.

Resumes of students, 1000 applicants. Blacks favored blacks 73 of the time, whites favored blacks only 27%. You with me ?

BUT applicants of the same political party, favored...80% and even when other students had better credentials.

1960 survey, 5% of EACH repubs and dems said they'd be displeased if their child married somebody from the other party.

2010 survey 49% of repubs and 33% of dems said they'd be displeased if their child married somebody from the other party.

Now this tells us not just disagreement but parties, determine your essential worth as a human being as measure by your political label.

This now means whether or not [they] should be married, trusted and even discriminated against.

Modern social phenomenon, personal life...is being demoralized while political life is being horribly moralized. People have become more judgmental not about lifestyles but more about party labels and political policy.

Political issues are no longer just about the issue at hand but are now symbols of worth and dignity. It's pervading these forums as well. Seems almost every post denigrates into insults and some ridiculous need to demean the poster and the messenger and are soon...not at all about the issue under discussion.

So, it's not about whether the tax rate should be higher or lower but about the existential fabric of your life itself.

To compromise now is to deny your identity. Discussions soon become dumber, discounting divergent viewpoints and any competing thought.

To judge people on their political labels is to purposefully devalue them. Now nothing from 'this person' is worth listening to.

This is Partyism and it is going to ruin the social fabric of America if it keeps up and hasn't begin already.



Like, wow, dude...totally deep, ya know? Groovy.
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thishereboi -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/5/2014 5:20:40 AM)

Well I would have to see the studies to be sure. But it certainly seems to describe you to a tee. So maybe you can explain why you seem to judge people based on which side of the fence they fall on and why you seem to think it's a bad thing when others do the same exact thing.




Sanity -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/5/2014 5:53:06 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What the fuck are you talking about?



Its pretty obvious that he is talking about YOU




Musicmystery -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/5/2014 6:27:27 AM)

Sure sparky. Cite me.

What a doofus.




Zonie63 -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/5/2014 7:59:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
This is Partyism and it is going to ruin the social fabric of America if it keeps up and hasn't begin already.


George Washington had some thoughts on this subject:

quote:

I have already intimated to you the danger of Parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on Geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, & warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the Spirit of Party, generally.

This Spirit, unfortunately, is inseperable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human Mind. It exists under different shapes in all Governments, more or less stifled, controuled, or repressed; but in those of the popular form it is seen in its greatest rankness and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissention, which in different ages & countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders & miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security & repose in the absolute power of an Individual: and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight) the common & continual mischiefs of the spirit of Party are sufficient to make it the interest and the duty of a wise People to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the Public Councils and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill founded Jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot & insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence & corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country, are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the Administration of the Government and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true--and in Governments of a Monarchical cast Patriotism may look with endulgence, if not with favour, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate & assuage it. A fire not to be quenched; it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest instead of warming it should consume.





MariaB -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/5/2014 11:04:49 AM)

MrRodgers, the post needs a link. I can't find the data, can you?




Aylee -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/5/2014 11:18:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

MrRodgers, the post needs a link. I can't find the data, can you?


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/opinion/david-brooks-why-partyism-is-wrong.html?_r=0

At least that is the article I recall reading.




Musicmystery -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/5/2014 11:18:24 AM)

The point seems to be that he made it up. For what point seems elusive at best.




Aylee -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/5/2014 11:20:19 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

The point seems to be that he made it up. For what point seems elusive at best.


He is discussing political discrimination.




Musicmystery -> RE: Why political blogs don't change most...Partyism (11/5/2014 11:37:31 AM)

.....with crap he can't cite.




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