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ExiledTyrant -> RE: What's the deal with pain? (11/7/2014 5:56:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I don't get subspace.

But I like some types of pain. I am not a heavy maso.
I like thuddy pain. Some select stingy pain. I for example, love flogging. I love spanking or even paddling. We have a new leather slapper that gets my engine going like you wouldn't believe, I love it.

It's arousing.

I like biting and nipple clamps and slapping too.

I hate, hate caning. I will tolerate it for my partner, but I have to be bound. I get mad and uppity. If my partner wants a bit more fight in me, go after that, or pinching, I hate pinching.


19 pages.

Jus sayin



shiftyw -> RE: What's the deal with pain? (11/7/2014 7:31:09 PM)

That's for the good of the sisterhood. Down with patriarchy!



LittleGirlHeart -> RE: What's the deal with pain? (11/7/2014 11:45:45 PM)

I do too. But to be able to take much pain, I need to be extremely aroused, or on an endorphins high.
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ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12

I don't really get the whole 'endorphin thing - I just find the idea of being hurt in a sexual way, by someone I am attracted to, to be very arousing and exciting. I've always fantasised about being made to suffer in a sexual way, so being able to explore pain and control in a loving, sensual way is very satisfying for me.




Bhruic -> RE: What's the deal with pain? (11/8/2014 10:50:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xgender


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ORIGINAL: LittleGirlHeart

The endorphins are awesome, and pain can bring on subspace.


huh. I've never associated pain and endorphins? And what is subspace?


Subspace is a trance like state that some submissives enter as a consequence of prolonged and slowly progressing pain, or the intensity of a scene. Just like a runner's high, the effect is mainly produced by endorphins. Endorphins are produced naturally by our bodies, with the main purpose being to inhibit pain signals to the brain, and consequently they produce a euphoric effect.

In a prolonged session of impact play, that starts fairly soft and slowly builds to increasingly harder and more painful impacts, the sustained effect of endorphin production can produce a euphoric, trance like, erotic high. You could think of it as intense sexual meditation.

In this state, "pain" does not have the same character it has in the everyday world. Pain becomes simply a delicious, intense sensation that you can feel yourself riding to a state of delirious bliss.

It doesn't happen for everybody, and it takes some skill on the part of the Dom to keep the level of pain comfortably tolerable, and increasing in pace with, but not overtaking, the endorphin effect.

You would really have to try it to ever understand it.



orgasmdenial12 -> RE: What's the deal with pain? (11/9/2014 6:39:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xgender
what is subspace?


Subspace is a hypothesised state that some submissives claim to have experienced during pain play.

There is no objective scientific evidence for 'subspace' and accounts from submissives differ considerably.

Subspace is typically explained as a kind of 'runners high' which is a state of feeling joy and powerfulness whilst exercising, that is believed to be caused by endorphins produced by the brain. However, the reported effects of 'subspace' can differ wildly from runners high, making this association tenuous at best.

The best way that I, personally, can explain subspace is that it is a feeling of unexpected enjoyment from or tolerance for pain that is experienced by some submissives during play. My own personal belief is that it is largely unrelated to endorphins and is instead linked to sexual excitement, mild shock and / or BDSM cultural conditioning. Whatever the cause of subspace, it is usually reported as a pleasurable and desirable state that submissives enjoy experiencing and Doms enjoy inducing.



FieryOpal -> RE: What's the deal with pain? (11/9/2014 7:41:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12

Subspace is a hypothesised state that some submissives claim to have experienced during pain play.

There is no objective scientific evidence for 'subspace' and accounts from submissives differ considerably.

Subspace is typically explained as a kind of 'runners high' which is a state of feeling joy and powerfulness whilst exercising, that is believed to be caused by endorphins produced by the brain. However, the reported effects of 'subspace' can differ wildly from runners high, making this association tenuous at best.

The best way that I, personally, can explain subspace is that it is a feeling of unexpected enjoyment from or tolerance for pain that is experienced by some submissives during play. My own personal belief is that it is largely unrelated to endorphins and is instead linked to sexual excitement, mild shock and / or BDSM cultural conditioning. Whatever the cause of subspace, it is usually reported as a pleasurable and desirable state that submissives enjoy experiencing and Doms enjoy inducing.

I would hardly think there could be a reliable scientific methodology for detecting subspace. Not that it couldn't be done somehow like with sleep studies, but how many BDSM couples would agree to volunteer or come forward for such a clinical study, and how would you maintain a control group?

There are 2 kinds of responses I have seen which I would classify as subspace. With my husband, he became uncharacteristically passive and zoned out, then acted punchdrunk afterwards. I did notice with my husband that he had a sort of grogginess where he didn't have total memory recall of what we had done. With my last sub, he appeared to be in a euphoric state brought on by what could only be the release of endorphins, such as both you and DesFIP have described as a "runner's high." Since he did not try to get up and move the way my husband had done, and we both preferred to lay there and cuddle, I can't comment on the immediate aftereffects other than he did not want to be left alone, enjoyed being comforted, and didn't have any memory lapses from what I could tell.



xgender -> RE: What's the deal with pain? (11/11/2014 3:30:06 PM)

Wow, thanks for all of the replies. I think I get the subspace thing - I have felt that while in self bondage. Often. Just never knew there was a name for it. As for pain, I will have to try it to see, I guess.

Best,

Julian



Lynnxz -> RE: What's the deal with pain? (11/12/2014 3:44:49 PM)

I'd say am a moderate bit of a maso.

Heavy straps, floggers, and canes combined with bondage, AND an audience (I'm annoyingly high maintenance) and I turn into a drooling idiot. Remove a single factor, and it doesn't work anymore.

:(

Endorphines are a group of neurotransmitters that are usually associated with pain- and act on the morphine receptors in your brain. Technically, you are getting a little high. The same chemicals might also be released during the 'runners high' (Never experienced that, fuck running- sucks the whole time), and as someone else mentioned, eating spicy food.



Bhruic -> RE: What's the deal with pain? (11/12/2014 4:11:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

I would hardly think there could be a reliable scientific methodology for detecting subspace. Not that it couldn't be done somehow like with sleep studies, but how many BDSM couples would agree to volunteer or come forward for such a clinical study, and how would you maintain a control group?



I think there easily could be such a methodology. You don't need the trappings of BDSM to study the effects of pain induced endorphins on the brain and body. Subspace is just a word we use to describe a phenomenon that occurs in many other sphere's as well... like long distance running, as others have said... or sufferers of chronic acute pain?

I wouldn't be surprised to find it has already been extensively studied.

Studying the erotic quality of the endorphin high might be another matter.



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