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Lucylastic -> Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/10/2014 10:04:09 AM)



President Obama on Monday put the full weight of his administration behind an open and free Internet, calling for a strict policy of “net neutrality” and formally opposing deals in which content providers like Netflix would pay huge sums to broadband companies for faster access to their customers.
The president’s proposal is consistent with Mr. Obama’s longstanding support for rules that seek to prevent cable and telephone companies from providing special access to some content providers. But the statement posted online Monday, as Mr. Obama traveled to Asia, is the most direct effort by the president to influence the debate about the Internet’s future.

In the statement, and a video on the White House website, Mr. Obama urged the Federal Communications Commission to adopt the strictest set of neutrality rules possible and to treat consumer broadband service as a public utility, similar to telephone or power companies.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/11/technology/obama-net-neutrality-fcc.html?emc=edit_na_20141110


theres a bit of good news



tj444 -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/10/2014 10:52:47 AM)

Does he actually have any clout anymore??? [8|]

This last term his lips keep moving about immigration (blah, blah, blah) but nothing's happening there either, no matter all the "urging" he does on that..

Seriously, what's he done lately? he seems to be just waiting out his time and once 2016 hits he will be on the talkshow circuit after writing a book or somethin'..

I will believe it when I see it (the actual end result)..



Sanity -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/10/2014 11:21:24 AM)

Lets see

He fixed the illegal immigration problem by causing an illegal immigration flood

He totally screwed up health care. Despite the name "Affordable" its now more expensive for MOST people, by design

Gave the world a mushrooming ISIS problem, along with the rest of the Arab Spring nightmare

Misused the NSA and the IRS and the DOJ etc in ways that make Richard Nixon look like a Saint

Set back race relations about 100 years

Destroyed the Democrat brand for a generation to come...

Destroyed America's credibility with our allies as well as with our enemies.

What could possibly go wrong with him fucking with the Internet








mnottertail -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/10/2014 12:08:32 PM)

Sanity, whom nobody listens to, least of all Obama, would have something stupid to say about it, I guess that would be the downside.


What are the nutsuckers doing?



JeffBC -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/10/2014 9:09:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
theres a bit of good news

Really Lucy? You're seriously thinking that?

Let's recap.

1) Obama appoints Tom Wheeler.
2) Obama says, "I can't interfere now, it's his job"
3) Then Obama says, "But I really wish he'd support net neutrality".

He made his position on net neutrality pretty clear in step 1, don't you think? I will be UTTERLY STUNNED if Tom Wheeler basically changes the course of his entire career and everything he's done recently and decides to support net neutrality. It could happen but feel free to say "I told you so." if it does because I'll deserve it.



ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/10/2014 9:21:08 PM)

Don't you see how it's all just another part of the Kabuki Theater that we've been treated to for the last 34 years?
It no longer matters who occupies the White House, the House of Representatives, or the Senate - they have all been bought and paid for by Korporate Amerika.
Oh sure, we get to "debate" issues like gun legislation, women's rights, gay marriage, etc. But none of it matters in the end. If you're not funneling million$ into The System then nothing you say or do matters in the least.
We can bitch/moan/complain all we want about net neutrality but it's a foregone conclusion. Within another few years we'll all get our CATV and internet access from just 2 or 3 companies. Forget about choice in the marketplace - you might as well debate which brand of bottled water has fewer calories.





JeffBC -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/10/2014 9:34:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69
Don't you see how it's all just another part of the Kabuki Theater that we've been treated to for the last 34 years?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I get that LOL.

There are quite a few issues that the voters are simply not allowed to vote on. This is one of them.



MercTech -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/11/2014 6:07:56 PM)

Hmmm, I never heard anything about "net neutrality" but that the internet should be considered a public utility and be regulated as such. So, the FCC actually gets to regulate the internet.

At one time there was a hew and cry that the net could regulate itself. When it was a plethora of small providers selling dialup access to the backbone, it could. But with leveraging and corporate buy outs in most markets; it is gouge and collude to keep service quality low and prices high. Yep, the big ISP companies have gouged and bickered enough that Uncle 'Bama is calling in the FCC to referee.

In a way, it is about time. The net backbone was created with public money. Time to regulate it as a public utility just like phone service, electric grids, and gas distribution.



JeffBC -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/11/2014 10:14:49 PM)

Explaining "net neutrality" a bit better.

The cable companies would like to be able to charge extra rates for premium service. On the face of it this makes sense... until you consider the fact that there's only so much bandwidth to go around so the "premium services" (read that as the well funded ones) will choke out the regular services.

Now... ponder how much money collarspace can afford to spend to purchase "premium" bandwidth when they are competing against Time Warner.

The internet is, as of right now, a more or less level playing field -- it's far from perfect because the cable companies do lots of shady things. Even so, it lets startups like google eventually become google. It lets "the people" converse with each other rather than letting billionaires talk at us. That ends if the cable companies win. Even companies like Google agree despite the fact that by supporting net neutrality they open themselves up to some unknown startup.

Barack Obama appointed Tom Wheeler as the head of the FCC. Mr. Wheeler was HIP DEEP in the cable industry. Quite predictably, Wheeler has been manoeuvring to support the cable companies. In other words, Obama is lying to us right now when he says he supports net neutrality. Clearly he does not.



Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/12/2014 5:58:49 AM)

Jeff, Ive been following the net neutrality for a long time...Ive posted here about it several times. I know what it is, I know about wheeler, so excuse me if I say Id rather have the pres come out on the side of NN than the shit the rwingers will do. Even with wheelers input.
You might wanna read this
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/11/the-fcc-weighs-breaking-with-obama-over-the-future-of-the-internet/

<snip>A growing source of frustration for White House and congressional Democrats is that they have three of their own on the five-member commission at the FCC, a majority that should give them the power to push through a policy of their liking. But if Wheeler charts a different course, he could bring the other members along with him.

And, as Wheeler reminded participants at his meeting with Web companies Monday, the FCC does not answer to the Obama administration.

“I am an independent agency,” Wheeler told them repeatedly, according to several officials.

Both Wheeler and the FCC declined to comment for this story. The White House had no additional comment beyond the president’s statement Monday, in which he said the FCC is an independent agency and “ultimately this decision is theirs alone.”

Obama’s statement caught industry observers by surprise, but it was the product of mounting concern at the White House that Wheeler and the FCC were clouding the issue.

Administration aides worried that Wheeler’s efforts to strike a compromise between open-Internet advocates and telecom firms would result in rules that were murky and ineffective, according to officials familiar with the thinking, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the discussions were private. The FCC has tried to solve the Internet access issue with a compromise approach, only to have it struck down in court this year under a challenge from Verizon.

Ive been aware of it even before john Oiliver did this show...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbOEoRrHyU

And the result of his show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_gSxQfBBjc

And of course Ted Cruz comes back with
this piece of dribble
(pic below)
its convoluted and its worrisome for more than just americans, but ignorance seems to be far more dangerous.


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TerrorX -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/12/2014 6:52:53 AM)

Dear Senator Ted Cruz, I'm going to explain Net Neutrality;

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality

...and this applies to anyone else who wants to argue against it merely because Obama brought it up. I swear, if Obama brought out a law banning nerve gas in schools some loons would go to kindergarten with cyanide canisters chanting "FREEDOM!"



Sanity -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/12/2014 7:01:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TerrorX

Dear Senator Ted Cruz, I'm going to explain Net Neutrality;

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality

...and this applies to anyone else who wants to argue against it merely because Obama brought it up. I swear, if Obama brought out a law banning nerve gas in schools some loons would go to kindergarten with cyanide canisters chanting "FREEDOM!"



Straw man much?



thishereboi -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/12/2014 7:07:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TerrorX

Dear Senator Ted Cruz, I'm going to explain Net Neutrality;

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality

...and this applies to anyone else who wants to argue against it merely because Obama brought it up. I swear, if Obama brought out a law banning nerve gas in schools some loons would go to kindergarten with cyanide canisters chanting "FREEDOM!"





What about the ones who want to argue because they think there is something wrong and don't care who brought it up? Or are you going to assume that anyone who has questions has some kind of hidden agenda against Obama. And what about the folks who would back Obama on anything just because he happens to be sitting on the same side of the fence as they are? Do you have a problem with them also or do your blinkers prevent you from seeing that part? You might have a pretty new profile but it's spitting the same left vs right bullshit as the old ones.



TerrorX -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/12/2014 7:21:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

And what about the folks who would back Obama on anything just because he happens to be sitting on the same side of the fence as they are?


As far as I am concerned Obama is a disgrace. He never shut Gitmo as promised, and his indiscriminate use of predator drones constitutes a war crime, as far as I am concerned. The one thing I will agree with many people on is that he belongs in a courtroom.

But preventing monopolistic corporations from further tightening their iron grip (another thing he has mostly failed to do) is not something he deserves to be castigated for.



JeffBC -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/12/2014 10:26:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Jeff, Ive been following the net neutrality for a long time...Ive posted here about it several times. I know what it is, I know about wheeler, so excuse me if I say Id rather have the pres come out on the side of NN than the shit the rwingers will do. Even with wheelers input.

Yeah yeah. The prez is talking in order to try to mollify the younger voter block that he lost totally. But he already cast his vote when he appointed a 30 year industry lobbyist to the position. In other words, Obama already sold us down the river on this one. The Kabuki theater being played out now is a pathetic joke.

<snip>A growing source of frustration for White House and congressional Democrats is that they have three of their own on the five-member commission at the FCC, a majority that should give them the power to push through a policy of their liking. But if Wheeler charts a different course, he could bring the other members along with him.
And, as Wheeler reminded participants at his meeting with Web companies Monday, the FCC does not answer to the Obama administration. “I am an independent agency,” Wheeler told them repeatedly, according to several officials.

And this independence, of course, was unknown to Obama when he appointed Wheeler, right? I'm afraid I can't believe Obama has an IQ below 60.

Both Wheeler and the FCC declined to comment for this story. The White House had no additional comment beyond the president’s statement Monday, in which he said the FCC is an independent agency and “ultimately this decision is theirs alone.”

Yup... perfectly executed political ploy. He totally sabotages net neutrality tossing pretty much everyone but MSM under the bus in the process and then claims he's on our side --in words only of course -- his deeds speak for themselves.

Yeah yeah, Cruz is, of course, a lying asshat. But so is Obama. And this one is yet another thing that cannot be blamed on "republican obstructionism" or any other thing but the deeds of Obama's own hand.

What I want is a level playing field on the internet. Sadly, neither the Democrats or Republicans agree with me. That makes sense. A crucial part of any successful police state is control of information sources. The internet is simply too much of a wildcard to be allowed to exist in it's present state.



Politesub53 -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/12/2014 4:11:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Straw man much?


Oh the fucking irony....



MrRodgers -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/12/2014 4:36:26 PM)

Why the beating around the bush and avoiding the elephant in the room and one that is always there ?

We live in a FOR-PROFIT society, which means more money which means...even more money. That's why the cable and Internet cos. get to dictate packages, why they can force over-the-air cos to pay for access and why we have what are in real terms...regional monopolies.

The way it [we] work(s) is on the basis of more money, so Wheeler vote for 2 tiers, will leave govt. and go to work for Comcast or Time Warner at likely 3 or 4 times his salary and some stock options.

Nothing new here kinkroids...same ole American dream. (nightmare)

The new profit center will be eliminating water-neutrality. Clean water if you pay more, not-so-clean...if you don't. Just filter it yourself you socialist pigs if you even think you are 'entitled' to clean water. [They] are here to make some fucking money on your fucking water...get over it.



Sanity -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/12/2014 4:42:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Straw man much?


Oh the fucking irony....



You mean, the irony of you calling yourself "polite" right?



Politesub53 -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/12/2014 4:49:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

You mean, the irony of you calling yourself "polite" right?


Yes, I am rude to arseholes..... Good spot.



Extravagasm -> RE: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Rules to Protect Net Neutrality (11/12/2014 5:21:06 PM)

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JeffBC: Cruz is, of course, a lying asshat. But so is Obama. And this one is yet another thing that cannot be blamed on "republican obstructionism" or any other thing but the deeds of Obama's own hand.
What I want is a level playing field on the internet. Sadly, neither the Democrats or Republicans agree with me. That makes sense. A crucial part of any successful police state is control of information sources. The internet is simply too much of a wildcard to be allowed to exist in it's present state.
Yup and what a shame, cuz this risks not just money, like Mr. Rogers says, but eventually threatens information decentralization, which was going along so swimmingly, though slowly. Whose tightened valve would WikiLeaks have to squeeze through?

Sadly countries with war policy like US need centralized sources of information to keep the citizenry aghast at the latest string of boogymen who need to be 'eliminated'.



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