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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/21/2014 5:40:31 PM   
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That only works if it's over and done with. They will still be here illegally, so as soon as he pardons them, they would all be, once again, here illegally. Amnesty is the only way that doesn't happen, so pardons won't work.

Wrong! He could pardon them just like Bush I pardoned Weinberger before he stood trial.


Was Weinberger still breaking the law? Illegals would still be here illegally. Pardoning them for entering the country illegally wouldn't have any effect on their illegality immediately afterwards...


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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/21/2014 6:31:44 PM   
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That only works if it's over and done with. They will still be here illegally, so as soon as he pardons them, they would all be, once again, here illegally. Amnesty is the only way that doesn't happen, so pardons won't work.

Wrong! He could pardon them just like Bush I pardoned Weinberger before he stood trial.


Was Weinberger still breaking the law? Illegals would still be here illegally. Pardoning them for entering the country illegally wouldn't have any effect on their illegality immediately afterwards...


You said it. Their crime was entering the country illegally. A pardon would clear them.

And yes Weinberger was still breaking the law. He knew of on ongoing criminal conspiracy and it is against the law not to report such.

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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/21/2014 8:37:09 PM   
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That only works if it's over and done with. They will still be here illegally, so as soon as he pardons them, they would all be, once again, here illegally. Amnesty is the only way that doesn't happen, so pardons won't work.

Wrong! He could pardon them just like Bush I pardoned Weinberger before he stood trial.


Was Weinberger still breaking the law? Illegals would still be here illegally. Pardoning them for entering the country illegally wouldn't have any effect on their illegality immediately afterwards...


You said it. Their crime was entering the country illegally. A pardon would clear them.

And yes Weinberger was still breaking the law. He knew of on ongoing criminal conspiracy and it is against the law not to report such.

Wrong again, they would still be in the country illegally.
Your trying to make this about Regan shows how shaky your stand is.
I didn't agree with any amnesty except when Regan gave amnesty to families of people who had served in the military, they had actually earned it.

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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/21/2014 8:50:57 PM   
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That only works if it's over and done with. They will still be here illegally, so as soon as he pardons them, they would all be, once again, here illegally. Amnesty is the only way that doesn't happen, so pardons won't work.

Wrong! He could pardon them just like Bush I pardoned Weinberger before he stood trial.


Was Weinberger still breaking the law? Illegals would still be here illegally. Pardoning them for entering the country illegally wouldn't have any effect on their illegality immediately afterwards...


You said it. Their crime was entering the country illegally. A pardon would clear them.

And yes Weinberger was still breaking the law. He knew of on ongoing criminal conspiracy and it is against the law not to report such.

Wrong again, they would still be in the country illegally.
Your trying to make this about Regan shows how shaky your stand is.
I didn't agree with any amnesty except when Regan gave amnesty to families of people who had served in the military, they had actually earned it.

Then you have no knowledge of history. Reagan's amnesty was for every illegal in the country who was here more than 5 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/21/2014 10:24:30 PM   
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That only works if it's over and done with. They will still be here illegally, so as soon as he pardons them, they would all be, once again, here illegally. Amnesty is the only way that doesn't happen, so pardons won't work.

Wrong! He could pardon them just like Bush I pardoned Weinberger before he stood trial.


Was Weinberger still breaking the law? Illegals would still be here illegally. Pardoning them for entering the country illegally wouldn't have any effect on their illegality immediately afterwards...


You said it. Their crime was entering the country illegally. A pardon would clear them.

And yes Weinberger was still breaking the law. He knew of on ongoing criminal conspiracy and it is against the law not to report such.

Wrong again, they would still be in the country illegally.
Your trying to make this about Regan shows how shaky your stand is.
I didn't agree with any amnesty except when Regan gave amnesty to families of people who had served in the military, they had actually earned it.

Then you have no knowledge of history. Reagan's amnesty was for every illegal in the country who was here more than 5 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

To bad you can't read.
I said that I disapproved of all amnesties except the specific one where Regan gave it to the families of people who had been in the military.
You said Obama gave amnesty under the same law but you ignore that it only covered people who had come in before 1982, that means that he unilaterally changed the law. Regan's amnesty, wrong minded as it was, at least followed the law and didn't try to rewrite it. I realize that you cannot comprehend the difference but I am pointing it out for those with functioning brains.

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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/21/2014 10:49:52 PM   
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Much has been written about the potential illegality of some of the provisions of the imminent EO.


Has it, now? Really? Wow, this is news.

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Most of what I've read involves discussion of Constitutionality in a somewhat theoretical sense.


True, that. Certainly there's nothing in any of the media discussion framing it in any precential sense, being that it would then not be theoretical, but reality based. Can't have that. Any discussion of precedent would be way too dangerous, considering the nature of hundreds of Executive Orders and Executive Decision Directives for the past forty years, a good lot of them having not much congruence with constitutionality.

But alas, the media have to do their job and claim that "none of this has ever happened before!", whether it be the latest financial meltdown or the latest EO.

You can't be a reporter or an opinion writer nowadays if you have any knowledge of history beyond the last two years (but less is better), that's the new rule.

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I have a much narrower question.


Oh, we can't wait ...

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Let us assume that Ebobama is indeed going to ...


(translation;)

"Ebabababa!!! Ebabababa!!!"


OK, who gave that boy the wrong Popsicle again?





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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 4:25:16 AM   
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That only works if it's over and done with. They will still be here illegally, so as soon as he pardons them, they would all be, once again, here illegally. Amnesty is the only way that doesn't happen, so pardons won't work.

Wrong! He could pardon them just like Bush I pardoned Weinberger before he stood trial.

Was Weinberger still breaking the law? Illegals would still be here illegally. Pardoning them for entering the country illegally wouldn't have any effect on their illegality immediately afterwards...

You said it. Their crime was entering the country illegally. A pardon would clear them.
And yes Weinberger was still breaking the law. He knew of on ongoing criminal conspiracy and it is against the law not to report such.


So, clearing them of their illegal entry to the US doesn't clear them of continued illegal presence in the US, does it? Remember, this isn't amnesty, by the President's own words, and he doesn't have the authority to grant them citizenship, also by his own words.




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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 4:26:57 AM   
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That only works if it's over and done with. They will still be here illegally, so as soon as he pardons them, they would all be, once again, here illegally. Amnesty is the only way that doesn't happen, so pardons won't work.

Wrong! He could pardon them just like Bush I pardoned Weinberger before he stood trial.

Was Weinberger still breaking the law? Illegals would still be here illegally. Pardoning them for entering the country illegally wouldn't have any effect on their illegality immediately afterwards...

You said it. Their crime was entering the country illegally. A pardon would clear them.
And yes Weinberger was still breaking the law. He knew of on ongoing criminal conspiracy and it is against the law not to report such.

Wrong again, they would still be in the country illegally.
Your trying to make this about Regan shows how shaky your stand is.
I didn't agree with any amnesty except when Regan gave amnesty to families of people who had served in the military, they had actually earned it.

Then you have no knowledge of history. Reagan's amnesty was for every illegal in the country who was here more than 5 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986


LMAO!! You're equating Obama issuing an EO to Reagan signing legislation passed by Congress?!? LMAO!!


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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 4:53:34 AM   
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That only works if it's over and done with. They will still be here illegally, so as soon as he pardons them, they would all be, once again, here illegally. Amnesty is the only way that doesn't happen, so pardons won't work.

Wrong! He could pardon them just like Bush I pardoned Weinberger before he stood trial.


Was Weinberger still breaking the law? Illegals would still be here illegally. Pardoning them for entering the country illegally wouldn't have any effect on their illegality immediately afterwards...


You said it. Their crime was entering the country illegally. A pardon would clear them.

And yes Weinberger was still breaking the law. He knew of on ongoing criminal conspiracy and it is against the law not to report such.

Wrong again, they would still be in the country illegally.
Your trying to make this about Regan shows how shaky your stand is.
I didn't agree with any amnesty except when Regan gave amnesty to families of people who had served in the military, they had actually earned it.

Then you have no knowledge of history. Reagan's amnesty was for every illegal in the country who was here more than 5 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

To bad you can't read.
I said that I disapproved of all amnesties except the specific one where Regan gave it to the families of people who had been in the military.
You said Obama gave amnesty under the same law but you ignore that it only covered people who had come in before 1982, that means that he unilaterally changed the law. Regan's amnesty, wrong minded as it was, at least followed the law and didn't try to rewrite it. I realize that you cannot comprehend the difference but I am pointing it out for those with functioning brains.

You cannot read. Reagan didn't give amnesty to anyone except by the above law. He issued an EO after the Grenada invasion to speed up the process of naturalization that has always been available to every foreign national that enlists in the US military. There was no amnesty involved.

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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 4:55:25 AM   
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That only works if it's over and done with. They will still be here illegally, so as soon as he pardons them, they would all be, once again, here illegally. Amnesty is the only way that doesn't happen, so pardons won't work.

Wrong! He could pardon them just like Bush I pardoned Weinberger before he stood trial.

Was Weinberger still breaking the law? Illegals would still be here illegally. Pardoning them for entering the country illegally wouldn't have any effect on their illegality immediately afterwards...

You said it. Their crime was entering the country illegally. A pardon would clear them.
And yes Weinberger was still breaking the law. He knew of on ongoing criminal conspiracy and it is against the law not to report such.


So, clearing them of their illegal entry to the US doesn't clear them of continued illegal presence in the US, does it? Remember, this isn't amnesty, by the President's own words, and he doesn't have the authority to grant them citizenship, also by his own words.

It gives them legal status and puts them at the back of the line for deportation just like the President said.

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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 5:40:03 AM   
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Well I admit you are the first one I have ever heard connect ebola with blacks but I have to say I am not surprised it was you. Makes me wonder if everything you see is so black and white.


What the fucking hell is wrong with you ? You also objected to the wording of the OP, I just went one better and called it for what it was. You seem happy to defend racism and pull me up for pointing it out, so fuck you.

Are you seriously suggesting truckins tag, or a disease which currently mostly affects Africans being mixed with the name of an African American President isnt racist.

I know you are an arsehole but I didnt think you were stupid enough to let your dislike of me to affect your reading capabilities.



I objected to the juvenile insult he made because it was a juvenile insult I didn't call it racist because unlike you, I don't see everything that comes out his mouth as racist and unlike you I don't want to be known for spouting bullshit claims all the time. I also have never defended racism even though you lie and claim I do. You are like the little boy who cried wolf. After listening to your lies for so long why would I still bother. Perhaps it's your dislike of people that effects YOUR reading capabilities.

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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 7:53:14 AM   
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You cannot read. Reagan didn't give amnesty to anyone except by the above law. He issued an EO after the Grenada invasion to speed up the process of naturalization that has always been available to every foreign national that enlists in the US military. There was no amnesty involved.


Actually, if you could read (especially my post about the EO's Reagan, Clinton and Bush 43 wrote), you'd see that that expedited nationalization isn't available to every foreign national that enlists in the US military. Not only does it have to be honorable service during active hostilities, but it takes an EO to gain it.


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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 8:12:50 AM   
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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 8:54:44 AM   
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Fun fact - leftists would go totally apoplectic if a Republican president (say, Sarah Palin) were to act like an emperor in this manner

"Since congress wont act on abortions, we shall no longer prosecute those who fire bomb abortion clinics"

Etc

But leftists cant see past their noses to absorb the bigger picture







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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 9:11:23 AM   
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Fun fact - leftists would go totally apoplectic if a Republican president (say, Sarah Palin) were to act like an emperor in this manner


Oh, you bet we would. Sarah Palin is not was not and will never be a Republican President. And you correct me if I am wrong, you factless nutsucker, but I believe that Abraham Lincoln was a republican, or do you have a differing nutsucker version?

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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 9:18:34 AM   
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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 9:29:37 AM   
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Impotent righties are fuming. loving it


Anyone who has regard for the rule of law is fuming. Left, right, center... Anyone with a functioning mind

The president has sworn to uphold the law, not to undermine or disregard the law - and has said himself that to act unilaterally in this manner would be something more akin to what happens under kings and tyrants

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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 9:37:54 AM   
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Fun fact - leftists would go totally apoplectic if a Republican president (say, Sarah Palin) were to act like an emperor in this manner

Yup, they would, and (read some history) they did then too.

Sarah Palin is a different matter -- acting unilaterally isn't the key problem there. It's that she's a moron.

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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 9:41:05 AM   
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Rule of law, does NOT seem to be "broken"
Arpaio, may have opened a lawsuit against Obama, ...otherwise, Boehner and his friends are fuming with limp dicks, whinging that he didnt work with them

THey are gonna have a busy january...defunding the ACA, re reading the keystone bill into congress, suing the pres, what else do they have to do, oh yeah immigration, the Patriot act, net neutrality,
I wonder what their first priority will be and how much they get achieved
Oh please tell me the specific statute or law that obama has disregarded specifically?
Cos yanno, no one else seems to be able to find a reasonable one...thats why this thread is hilarious.
Impotent feetie stomping
carry on now


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RE: The possible illegality of Ebobama's EO - 11/22/2014 3:28:07 PM   
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You cannot read. Reagan didn't give amnesty to anyone except by the above law. He issued an EO after the Grenada invasion to speed up the process of naturalization that has always been available to every foreign national that enlists in the US military. There was no amnesty involved.


Actually, if you could read (especially my post about the EO's Reagan, Clinton and Bush 43 wrote), you'd see that that expedited nationalization isn't available to every foreign national that enlists in the US military. Not only does it have to be honorable service during active hostilities, but it takes an EO to gain it.


Expedited naturalization requires the EO but simple naturalization is available to any foreign national who enlists just like I wrote. As always only read what I write not the crazy shit you wish I'd written.

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