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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/17/2006 11:19:30 AM   
popeye1250


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Irish, LOLOL!

Alum, again, apples and oranges!
Two different activities!

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/17/2006 5:53:32 PM   
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Alum, let's talk about Woodworking in here then.
Sheesh!
No-one had answered Mysty's post for *three days!* What does that tell you?
No-one that I know in the B&D life is a crossdresser and that's probably *300* or more people.
Surely there are sites for crossdressers/ transgenders on the big wide internet, no?



I really don't see what the problem is here(?!?!).  So what if the dude has kink that you don't agree with?  Why try to shuffle him off to another site?  Does this mean that you agree with every kink you've seen on CM?  C'mon.  Why can't we all embrace each other's kink as long as we're talking about consenting adults?  I think we ALL get enough prejudice and judgemental attitudes from the society at large.  I personally see no reason to bring it here. 

To the OP, I think it's a very cool idea.  I don't know how marketable you'd be but hey, do your thing.  It's rarely about money anyway, right? 


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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/17/2006 6:02:03 PM   
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If you can perfect your East German accent, you could form a Hedwig and the Angry Inch tribute band!

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/19/2006 8:02:34 AM   
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popeye,

Time to give you a swift kick/reality check.

1) Knowing 300 people is a shallow pool. You can hardly measure what is happening in the world based on numbers like that.

2) This isn't a strictly B&D site. It really isn't a strictly BDSM site either. The members here are very diverse & to my knowledge the operators of this site welcome this diversity & only exclude undesired practices of pedophilia & beastiality.

3) Just because something doesn't apply to you doesn't mean it doesn't fit in with the scheme of things. What makes you think you are notable enough to tell others what validates their presence & usage of this site or not?

Maybe the post didn't get a reply for 3 days because the members that were on didn't see it, didn't have an interest in the subject or whatever & this is why there was no reply. I've been on these boards since they were created & you can tell by the number of posts I have that I do not reply to every thread on the board. This doesn't mean they had no place on the board. 

Maybe you should concentrate on contributing to subjects you can relate to rather than trash those that do not fit in your small, shallow, exclusive world.

As I posted... I have a TS submissive who has a TS band & has performed in several venues & even at the Pride Festival in our local area. So I am at least one member that can relate to this subject, unfortunately... I don't get online every day to read the boards or I would have surely posted before I did.

Be real careful about how you cast your own opinions out to others because it could very well come around your way & vast majorities may express that you are the one that simply doesn't fit in.

A final note... get educated. Transsexualism is not a kink or fetish. Of this I am quite sure.

Crossdressing/Transvestites can be listed as a kink but there are MANY CD's out there that are not the least bit interested in BDSM, yet crossdressing is listed as an interest.

Transgendered is a PC word that is being used to lump all of these terms together thus giving an impression that they are all one & the same. This has only lead to confuse persons who are not educated about the diversity that exists within the trans community.





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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/19/2006 8:33:50 AM   
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Fast reply***

People, people, Popeye never told the OP they HAD to go to a crossdresser/Tranns sight, he just suggested he might have more luck finding people interested in joining his band on those sights,since the crossdresser/Trans community on here is a definate minority.

Gods!!! I swear, sometimes I am sure people don't actually read what is said, and just flip out when their little intolerance-buzzer goes off, and they get all uber-intolerant about it.

And besides, all this tolerance stuff is overrated, just do things my way and we'll get along fine

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/19/2006 9:12:26 AM   
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Errrmmm... reading all of his posts, and his answers to questions clarifying...it looks more like he really does not think that CDs, TGs, etc. should be posting on any subject here...he was pretty clear on saying that aren't  members of the BDSM community.

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/19/2006 9:25:49 AM   
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Popeye, you are wrong.  There is a significant component of the B/D/S/M community that is transgendered.  You didn't know this.  So now you do.

So why do you keep going on and on and on about it?  I've not finished this thread and you've posted 4 times already.

Got issues, maybe?  

(Edited to add:  OK, I finished the thread, and clearly Popeye decided to hijack it because of his evident distaste and mockery of people who are TG'd.  And Arpig, no, you are giving a break where one is not due -- I believe his intent was, as one of the other posters said, clearly, to negatively comment on ANY post by anyone TG'd.  And for the record, I'm not TG'd, my partner is not.  I just hate bigotry and call it out when I see it.)

And to the OP:  what would the name of the band be?

E.

< Message edited by Emperor1956 -- 7/19/2006 9:32:24 AM >


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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/19/2006 9:28:37 AM   
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heather, you WOULD be the only other person in the world who knows "Hedwig" *GRIN*

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/19/2006 1:28:20 PM   
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Ok, if I were interested in Crossdressing/ Transgender issues should I look in a site about Car Repair or Crossdressing?

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/19/2006 8:33:10 PM   
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'Fraid not Emperor...big Hedwig fan here :) I have the original soundtrack performance and the original cast one as well.

"Oh the thrill of control,
Like the rush of rock and roll,
It's the sweetest taste I've known,
If you've got some sugar bring it home"


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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/24/2006 8:06:17 AM   
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At the risk of not getting any work done today at all, and bearing in mind that I try to keep a cool head when posting on these fora (see the Israel, Fascism etc threads), I am having extreme difficulty in not yelling!

There seems to be some confusion in the ranks here about the whole "trans" theme - a confusion which rears it head throughout society as a whole and for some reason particularly in BDSM.

Firstly, there are many sub-groups in the general description "trans", ranging from the occasional crossdresser through to the transsexual. However, despite common misconception, there is not a spectrum connecting these various participants. To oversimplify greatly and with apologies to those for whom this does not apply exactly, there are two main groups who fall under the general "trans" clasification here and everywhere else.

Firstly there is the transvestite who usually dresses in clothes of the opposite gender for short periods for emotional/erotic purposes. More often than not, the TV is heterosexual and indulges his passion because he loves women so much that he wants to experience their world through their apparel, an experience which in his case often leads to erotic arousal due to his proximity to the female by way of her appearance and clothes as a substitution for a female. Equally, some TVs feel great relief when dressed as a female from the macho world in which they must normally function, being able instead to indulge in what males perceive as the less stressful female world. That this relief is of exactly the same nature as gained by submissives in wearing a collar and placing themselves in the hands of another is notable. The TV is released from his day to day life where he is forced into a stressful role, just as the slave is. At the same time, crossdressing also allows the TV to remove all inhibitions he might normally feel - I have seen enough normal hetero males indulging in homosexual acts whilst dressed to know this first hand. Again, this is the same release from inhibition that many submissives yearn for and attain through submission. The argument that transvestism does not belong to BDSM is therefore incorrect - what is so different about crossdressing compared to say donning a PVC mask in order to shift persona and role play I wonder?

Then there is the transsexual who has been born with an incongruence between their physical sex and their psychological identity. This is not a lifestyle choice, neither is it perverse or evidence of mental illness, (reclassification is under way right now). Research indicates that it is the result of foetal development whereby hormonal levels go haywire and the child is born with a body of one sex and a brain of the other. Its not the same as intersex, but similar in nature in some ways. The TS person lives a life of pretence to fit in with societal expectations, becoming more and more miserable until they either commit suicide or get treatment. They go through a lot of shit (sorry for that word) to make their bodies congruent with their minds, losing jobs, relationships, families and sometimes even their lives, and to achieve what the majority feel - sufficient comfort with their identity such that they dont feel "wrong". Once the treatment is completed, they are of the new sex in all but one regard, the reproductive aspect - however if the ability to produce children is what makes one male or female, then we should also discount any infertile people as invalid males and females surely? And if we go down the route of division by genetics, then how do intersex people fit into this division?

The transition from one sex to the other is one which requires total commitment and time. However that is not to say that all the person concerned is, is TS. They are still the people they were, with all the tastes, interests and abilities they had before - often more. The position in BDSM seems to be that a TS person is that alone, as if they had no right to any form of sexual activity, let alone participation. This is ridiculous. Its the same sort of reasoning which says that old people and disabled people should have no sex life, as if being put in a box should remove some or all rights. If I get my leg amputated, am I thenceforth expected to occupy my entire being to the exclusion of all else in being an amputee!?

Now, no one is saying that you should love a TV or TS or even like one - you should get to know them and then decide just as you do with anyone else. Prejudice against a person or group is simply stupid. I hope the above helps in educating and so removing some of the prejudice out there.
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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/24/2006 10:10:20 AM   
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There is also a lot of confusion out there as to what exactly a 'guitarist' is....but that's a topic for another loooooong thread.

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/24/2006 10:22:06 AM   
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               That movie was great....................LOL!

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/24/2006 10:27:18 AM   
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Lady Ellen, I don't think anyone in here is "predjudiced" against crossdressers or transsexuals. "To each their own."
My point is that it is a *totally different activity* from Bondage and Discipline.
It is a whole different society as it were. Sure, some transexuals and crossdressers are interested in Bondage and Disipline as well.
The point is that you can engage in B&D activities *without* being "dressed" as most of the B&D society does. Two different groups that sometimes co-mingle.
It's just like people who are into "Toilet Training and Diapers."
That is a completley different activity than B&D as well.
Now, do some of those people enjoy B&D too? Of course! There's 2 in this site that I've seen. And, I'm almost positive that without checking on one of the search engines that they also have their own sites!
Would anyone in this site be interested in "Toilet Training and Diapers"? Probably not. It's a whole different "specialty" as it were.
I don't see any "predjudice" against them either! "To each his own."
My point in answering Mysty's origional post was that I noticed that no-one had answered it in three days. 
I was simply trying to direct her to a better source for the type of activity that she was seeking.
This being a B&D site I'd guess that most want to discuss B&D.
Again, if I was interested in History and wanted to join a site about it and talk to people about it why would I want to go into a site about Quantum Physics and talk to people about History?
Do you think I'd get many replies?

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/24/2006 10:35:31 AM   
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Denial... it ain't just a river in Egypt....

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/24/2006 12:13:51 PM   
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Hi Popeye

I dont want to pick an argument, and I feel that neither did you given that you were trying to help rather than attack. The thing is though, that however inadvertently, much of what you have posted on this subject required response. It is only through such response and communication that trans people have moved from being persona non grata to being almost real people in life today and it is a struggle which requires constant interaction of this sort if the clock is not to be turned back.

I appreciate that this site may not be aimed at trans people in particular. However, neither is it aimed at heterosexual or gay people in particular either.

As to the question of the need to be dressed - for some (most?), changing clothes in some way is a means of moving from one identity to another - how is it different for a man to dress as a woman, compared to a man putting on PVC, to achieve this shift?

The argument as I see it, seems to be that since not all crossdressers are into BDSM and not all those into BDSM are crossdressers, then crossdressing is not core to BDSM. In the same way, since not all gay people are into BDSM, and not everyone into BDSM is gay, being gay is not core to BDSM. That I can follow - but on those grounds then nothing and no one belongs. This is the reality in which we live I guess - that if BDSM exists at all, then its difficult at best to define what it is and who belongs, without discounting the vast majority of it and them.

The thing is though, this is an off-topic area, so one could post on quantum physics or history here if one chose to. The original post was placed in the off topic area presumably because its not specifically concerned with BDSM, and presumably was also posted on more trans specific sites too. I am sure you'd get replies on either subject by the way - there are some pretty highbrow people in here!

Overall though, I'd like to thank you for your posts as they provided an opportunity to do some preaching on behalf of trans people everywhere. So you did help!

regards
E

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 7/24/2006 12:40:07 PM   
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I doubt if anyone can limit the 'core' of BDSM to just one thing, but it is certain as can be that crossdressing, and other aspects af the 'trans' world are very much part of the BDSM lifestyle and should always be considered part of our community.


We just don't have to let anyone know that some of them are also musicians...I mean we do have our image to uphold, after all.

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 8/2/2006 9:31:20 PM   
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Wow! Thank-you! I wish I knew people like you where I live! You go! I agree with everything you said!
~Lori

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RE: Looking to form an all T-gurl HEavy rock BAnd!! - 8/3/2006 12:31:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: justheather

If you can perfect your East German accent, you could form a Hedwig and the Angry Inch tribute band!


I rented that movie with my friends.  I thought the title was "Hedwig and the Angry Itch".  I thought cool name for a band.  Bit of a shock when I started watching the movie.
 


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