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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 8:20:58 PM

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To me, handwriting isn't cursive...its your handwriting- and I'm all for it.

My natural penmanship is "cursiveish"- but not that fascist cursive I learned in school.
I am not making my Z's like that ever. EVER! REBEL!

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 8:24:22 PM

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Okay. I'll buy that.
So, just to clarify, you actually DO put pen to paper, with letters somewhat connected?? In a Shifty modified version of cursive?

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 8:27:04 PM

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Its my natural penmanship that developed- and I think most folks develop that way. I had issues when I was told I was "doing it wrong" by adults. Over and over...as a dyslexic 7 year old!

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 8:33:31 PM

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edited to remove entire post based on having strong second thoughts.

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 8:35:15 PM

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UnholyBear................I think I am with you comrade. I use cursive for the first draft of any story I write and for poetry. I use it because I can and I also take pride in it and the way it looks. My son (23) has excellent cursive handwriting and he too takes pride in the fact that he can do it and do it well and he can also baffle the shit out of me with text speak.

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 8:38:42 PM

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edited to remove entire post based on having strong second thoughts.

LOL- I'm joking around.

But seriously, cursive is silly and doesn't need to be taught in school and I can think of 100 other things teachers could do with that time.

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 8:38:53 PM

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Its my natural penmanship that developed- and I think most folks develop that way. I had issues when I was told I was "doing it wrong" by adults. Over and over...as a dyslexic 7 year old!

You might find this of interest. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/innovative-font-dyslexics-read/story?id=26860105

It's a non-symmetrical font that allows people to not have that difficulty with letters that look exactly alike, except for which way they face. And allows you to recognize letters in the same way you do objects, as though they are 3D items.

I'm wondering though, what Daddy Satyr does that requires the use of cursive to be successful. Unless he's a calligrapher and addresses wedding invitations for a living?

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 8:40:12 PM

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I relate to both sides of this discussion. I was taught cursive back in grade school and as I got older, my handwriting evolved into it's own unique style. Sadly over the past 10+ years, it has degraded and that I saw while I was handwriting several many Xmas cards this past weekend.

I will not blame computers nor will I blame text messaging. What I do blame is myself for becoming too reliant on computers to write, email or text message and my handwriting has suffered for that. I blame my laziness for not ensuing that my handwriting skills stayed decent instead of looking like chicken scratch.

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 8:42:08 PM

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edited to remove entire post based on having strong second thoughts.

LOL- I'm joking around.

But seriously, cursive is silly and doesn't need to be taught in school and I can think of 100 other things teachers could do with that time.

s'kay shifty, I reread my post and found it came across as too antagonistic in my opinion. Thought it best to delete and avoid a misunderstanding!

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 8:43:09 PM

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i relate to both sides of this discussion. I was taught cursive back in grade school and as I got older, my handwriting evolved into it's own unique style. Sadly over the past 10+ years, it has degraded and that I saw while I was handwriting several many Xmas cards this past weekend.

I will not blame computers nor will I blame text messaging. What I do blame is myself for becoming too reliant on computers to write, email or text message and my handwriting has suffered for that. I blame my laziness for not ensuing that my handwriting skills stayed decent instead of looking like chicken scratch.

See I still write EVERYDAY. I am not a "computer calendar" or "to do list app" person- I need that to be written down- so I still write a lot.

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 8:44:25 PM

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Its my natural penmanship that developed- and I think most folks develop that way. I had issues when I was told I was "doing it wrong" by adults. Over and over...as a dyslexic 7 year old!

You might find this of interest. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/innovative-font-dyslexics-read/story?id=26860105

It's a non-symmetrical font that allows people to not have that difficulty with letters that look exactly alike, except for which way they face. And allows you to recognize letters in the same way you do objects, as though they are 3D items.

I'm wondering though, what Daddy Satyr does that requires the use of cursive to be successful. Unless he's a calligrapher and addresses wedding invitations for a living?

I saw that Des! My roomie in college was a graphic designer and she shared it with me! I wish I could set my font on my computer to just default to it.

ETA- to clarify- I'm fine with however people are happy writing. But they are not better than my generation for knowing cursive- that is my issue. It serves no practical purpose- other than your own satisfaction and happiness. I get so sick of people feeling like my generation is doomed because we use computers and don't write in cursive. I'm literally talking to you all from MILES AND MILES away, computers are amazing and serve a lot more purpose- and are a lot more practical to learn- than cursive.

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 9:22:57 PM

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I know. ALL folks over 30 just love cursive.

Name a practical purpose for it in this day and age other than "I had to learn it! and I think I'm better for it cause I had to walk up hill both ways to school!"

sorry- it just isn't practical. Really.

(I realize that is a gross generalization...please...relax, its cursive we are talking about...)

I am not over 30, and I love cursive. It's all I use. My print looks like chicken scratch.

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 9:59:07 PM

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For me, the attempt at good grammar is important. After all, you wouldn't show up at a first date looking like a slob.

I have lots and lots of things which are very important to me when selecting a mate. "Strong written communication skills" simply doesn't compare with "decent human being" on my priority list though.

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/24/2014 10:10:49 PM

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As many others have already stated, it's the effort that is put forth that matters most to me.

Text speak, on the other hand, I tend to ignore totally. So, when someone talks to me, if it's used, it's ignored.

I won't ignore someone who uses text speak ... I am no good in using it back and will use "regular speak". And sometimes I have to try and decipher what is being said.

When online/text communication was first born and used (a hundred years ago, I know), I responded to my daughter with LOL, Mom. She came back with what's so funny? Of course, she was losing me then,
so I responded to her with I was just saying love you lots ... and that's when she told me that LOL meant laugh out loud .... when we use to write letters with pen and paper, LOL meant lots of love.
I knew then and there, text speak was not for me.

You misunderstand. When I say ignore, I mean literally. If I am talking to someone, or someone text's me and they happen to slip into 'text speak', I will not even answer the text/conversation. I totally ignore it.

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/25/2014 4:52:47 AM

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Interesting topic, just my half a cent on the discussion, something that is most important in our daily interaction with people; but also can be taken a bit further in thought as to aspects of the lifestyle.

Words such as please, thank you, you’re welcome, hello, goodbye are common in speech as expressing proper speaking etiquette or vocalizing proper manners.

Taking this foundation one step further in the application of submissive or slave’s vernacular is it a protocol of common knowledge etiquette or is it a matter of preference?

My personal thought on this subject is that Miss Manners taught us the basics, but the Dom tweaks it to their liking. The manner in which one addresses individuals on a day to day basis in a personal of professional setting such as asking their name or how they wished to be addressed.

Speaking mannerly, have you ever thought in chat should I ask how a Dom or Master would prefer to be addressed before you made your own introduction or how they would prefer you to address their subs or slaves by doing politely and respectfully.

Another personal thought I had on speaking mannerly is that when one is in doubt as to how to address someone you don’t know treat them as a superior until otherwise known.

Speaking mannerly, while it is not a submissive or slaves place to ask why a Dom wishes something; but have you ever thought to yourself how do I ask a Dom a question for clarification on something requested to do the task correctly. How does he wish this to be done appropriately?

A final thought to ponder, the proper apology. Have you ever wondered what is the proper manner to apologize to your Dom and his preference as to a formal apology does he want you to included an affirmation in his honor, self humiliation of your offense, or beg for forgiveness, and or presenting oneself for correction?

A kind word is a always a better place to start, and maybe in some situation, brightened someone's day.

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/25/2014 4:54:50 AM

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This boils down to personal preference.

For me, the attempt at good grammar is important. After all, you wouldn't show up at a first date looking like a slob.

As long as its comprehensible then it doesn't bother me. I would be more wary of grammar pedants than someone who has a problem with spelling or misses the odd apostrophe. Even when I try to read an incomprehensible post I don't presume the writer is being lazy. It could be a foreign person trying to make the effort or it could be someone with learning difficulties.

In the past I've had some flack on this site for my grammatical mistakes. It used to bother me

. Dyslexics don't appreciate their intelligence being judged based on their spelling and grammar but unfortunately its something they often have to put up with.

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/25/2014 4:59:14 AM

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This boils down to personal preference.

For me, the attempt at good grammar is important. After all, you wouldn't show up at a first date looking like a slob.

As long as its comprehensible then it doesn't bother me. I would be more wary of grammar pedants than someone who has a problem with spelling or misses the odd apostrophe. Even when I try to read an incomprehensible post I don't presume the writer is being lazy. It could be a foreign person trying to make the effort or it could be someone with learning difficulties.

In the past I've had some flack on this site for my grammatical mistakes. It used to bother me . Dyslexics don't appreciate their intelligence being judged based on their spelling and grammar but unfortunately its something they often have to put up with.

How dare you besmirch the grammar nazi's. Yes, they do spend vast amounts of time dissecting peoples posts, but that does not mean they do not lead full, rich, and re....

Sorry... I just couldn't finish that shit.

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/25/2014 5:01:10 AM

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Ok...I admit I am being really dense here....but what is it with "hit"? What does that refer to?

I'm not sure of the word origin for this particular bit of slang but to use it in a sentence:

I wanna hit dat!

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RE: Does grammar matter to you? - 11/25/2014 5:02:10 AM

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How dare you besmirch the grammar nazi's. Yes, they do spend vast amounts of time dissecting peoples posts, but that does not mean they do not lead full, rich, and re....

Sorry... I just couldn't finish that shit.