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The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson


Officer Wilson WILL be charged with a crime
  2% (1)
Officer Wilson will NOT be charged with a crime
  38% (14)
I could not care less
  11% (4)
Who is officer Wilson
  16% (6)
Regardless of the decision Wilson is guilty
  19% (7)
Regardless of the decision Wilson is innocent
  11% (4)


Total Votes : 36
(last vote on : 12/8/2014 3:18:50 AM)
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cloudboy -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/28/2014 3:30:27 PM)

The facts in the case only remain simple, neutral, and uncontroversial in your mind. In the actual world --- many people are upset and some are rioting about what happened.

Most people I know have a hard time with:

(1) The Criminal Justice System in Ferguson (read the ArchCity Defenders report.)

(2) Wilson's conduct in this case.

(3) The lack of actual facts about what happened. One witness (Brown) is dead, the other we can't count upon to be honest or objective about what happened.

(4) The Prosecutor did not try to prosecute Wilson -- AKA treat him like a criminal defendant. Instead, he just put a pile of evidence in front of the jurors, nine of whom were white, BTW. None of Wilson's testimony was subject to cross examination.

(5) This case is not about Brown so much as it is about racial profiling, the mass incaceration of black men, the higher percentage chance of being stopped or shot if you are black, the poor being subjected to fines, citations, and poverty inducing bench warrants, and the "fuck you" from the criminal justice system for the families of the victims. (The shooters walk away free.)

The irony of this whole subject is how you are so absolutely tone-dead about it yet shoot your mouth off with arrogant, misplaced conclusions.




TheHeretic -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/28/2014 5:22:50 PM)

Why does this dumbass piece of shit, Cloudboy, keep trying to talk to me like he's EVER going to get that privilege back?





Lucylastic -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/28/2014 5:26:08 PM)

awww Rich you're letting him bother you, even with him on hide? bless your heart
now whose dick are you gonna slap next...mine?? yay....get it in early....




DomKen -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/28/2014 5:31:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

awww Rich you're letting him bother you, even with him on hide? bless your heart
now whose dick are you gonna slap next...mine?? yay....get it in early....

Rich claims to put people on hide but he doesn't really. He's said he was putting me on hide at least twice and he still responds to my posts all the time.




Lucylastic -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/28/2014 5:31:57 PM)

hes gettin as bad as bama




TheHeretic -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/28/2014 5:41:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

awww Rich you're letting him bother you, even with him on hide? bless your heart
now whose dick are you gonna slap next...mine?? yay....get it in early....



I post, there he is, Lucy, pretending he's a human of some sort. It gets old.

Now Ken sorta comes and goes. I'll sideline him for a good conversation, and let him out when I feel like tossing rocks.

But you, Lucy? I'll get out the wooden spoon to swat your genitalia any time you like. [;)]




Lucylastic -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/28/2014 5:46:14 PM)

stop that!!!!! You made me laugh, thats not playing by the MoQ rules




TheHeretic -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/28/2014 5:56:47 PM)

That's my number one rule of this or any interwebs forum, Lucy. If somebody isn't good for a laugh, at least once in while, what the fuck are they good for at all?

Running out for milk and beer - don't let the conversation get all serious without me. :)




DomKen -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/28/2014 6:37:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Now Ken sorta comes and goes. I'll sideline him for a good conversation, and let him out when I feel like tossing rocks.

You mean you forgot and got caught and now your pants are around your ankles. It's ok I grew up with drunks who forgot what they did all the time. Although I should warn you blackouts aren't a good sign. You should get help.




TheHeretic -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/28/2014 6:48:11 PM)

No, Ken, I mean I use the hide button on you at my convenience. Try reading what I say.

I'm guessing you've been so busy reading the grand jury stuff the same way you read other people's posts that you completely missed the recent report and coverage that adults who like to drink sometimes are far less likely to have any sort of problem with it than previously thought by some. Sort of a "well duh" for millions of people who like a beer, or a cocktail, or an icy cold cider now and then and it's not a problem, but for useless turds who seek only to criticize and judge others, it might do to keep up with the times.





DomKen -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/28/2014 8:27:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

No, Ken, I mean I use the hide button on you at my convenience. Try reading what I say.

I'm guessing you've been so busy reading the grand jury stuff the same way you read other people's posts that you completely missed the recent report and coverage that adults who like to drink sometimes are far less likely to have any sort of problem with it than previously thought by some. Sort of a "well duh" for millions of people who like a beer, or a cocktail, or an icy cold cider now and then and it's not a problem, but for useless turds who seek only to criticize and judge others, it might do to keep up with the times.

No, drunk. Plenty of people drink occasionally or socially and have no problem. People with a problem drink frequently and when alone. And your posts frequently include the fact that you are drinking which I doubt is a social activity for you. You used to be fairly rational and reasonable and now you've devolved into little more than a crank a step above Sanity and since you insist it isn't because you watch Fox there must be another reason.





cloudboy -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/29/2014 5:53:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

You used to be fairly rational and reasonable and now you've devolved into little more than a crank a step above Sanity and since you insist it isn't because you watch Fox there must be another reason.




They are strikingly the same in substance. Sanity is just less in denial about it. Compare and contrast each thread where they are each the OP. Each post below makes the exact same conclusion with the exact same rationale. Years of posting simply follows this same tune.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4736462/tm.htm (Journalism these days)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4720187/mpage_1/key_cheerleader%252Cbigotry%252Cfundies/tm.htm#4720203 (Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word)






BamaD -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/29/2014 6:54:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The facts in the case only remain simple, neutral, and uncontroversial in your mind. In the actual world --- many people are upset and some are rioting about what happened.

Most people I know have a hard time with:

(1) The Criminal Justice System in Ferguson (read the ArchCity Defenders report.)

(2) Wilson's conduct in this case.

(3) The lack of actual facts about what happened. One witness (Brown) is dead, the other we can't count upon to be honest or objective about what happened.

(4) The Prosecutor did not try to prosecute Wilson -- AKA treat him like a criminal defendant. Instead, he just put a pile of evidence in front of the jurors, nine of whom were white, BTW. None of Wilson's testimony was subject to cross examination.

(5) This case is not about Brown so much as it is about racial profiling, the mass incaceration of black men, the higher percentage chance of being stopped or shot if you are black, the poor being subjected to fines, citations, and poverty inducing bench warrants, and the "fuck you" from the criminal justice system for the families of the victims. (The shooters walk away free.)

The irony of this whole subject is how you are so absolutely tone-dead about it yet shoot your mouth off with arrogant, misplaced conclusions.

So Wilson's guilt or innocence is not relevant, he should be convicted to change the system.




Sanity -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/29/2014 7:05:19 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

You used to be fairly rational and reasonable and now you've devolved into little more than a crank a step above Sanity and since you insist it isn't because you watch Fox there must be another reason.




They are strikingly the same in substance. Sanity is just less in denial about it. Compare and contrast each thread where they are each the OP. Each post below makes the exact same conclusion with the exact same rationale. Years of posting simply follows this same tune.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4736462/tm.htm (Journalism these days)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4720187/mpage_1/key_cheerleader%252Cbigotry%252Cfundies/tm.htm#4720203 (Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word)





Leftists, as a group, tend to avoid substantive debate as if it were ebola because actual debate harms their cause far more than it helps them. Hence their tactic of trying to turn every thread into ad hominem attacks (and other fallacious attacks) against those pointing out their logical and factual inconsistencies




BamaD -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/29/2014 7:12:43 AM)

5) This case is not about Brown so much as it is about racial profiling, the mass incaceration of black men, the higher percentage chance of being stopped or shot if you are black,

So Wilson's guilt or innocence is not important, he must be sacrificed to change the system.




Sanity -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/29/2014 7:14:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

5) This case is not about Brown so much as it is about racial profiling, the mass incaceration of black men, the higher percentage chance of being stopped or shot if you are black,

So Wilson's guilt or innocence is not important, he must be sacrificed to change the system.


AKA "Get whitey" (To end racism)




inkedone -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/29/2014 7:23:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

You used to be fairly rational and reasonable and now you've devolved into little more than a crank a step above Sanity and since you insist it isn't because you watch Fox there must be another reason.




They are strikingly the same in substance. Sanity is just less in denial about it. Compare and contrast each thread where they are each the OP. Each post below makes the exact same conclusion with the exact same rationale. Years of posting simply follows this same tune.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4736462/tm.htm (Journalism these days)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4720187/mpage_1/key_cheerleader%252Cbigotry%252Cfundies/tm.htm#4720203 (Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word)





Leftists, as a group, tend to avoid substantive debate as if it were ebola because actual debate harms their cause far more than it helps them. Hence their tactic of trying to turn every thread into ad hominem attacks (and other fallacious attacks) against those pointing out their logical and factual inconsistencies


What happened to the consideration of innocent before proven guilty? A key foundation that the legal system was built upon. The true lesson of being a productive citizen, making a difference, changing attitudes, or laws comes from the ability to look at the "Big Picture". https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=AwrSbmuB5HlUac8AT01XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0a2xwMXU5BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDU1OF8x?p=rev+manning+youtube&tnr=21&vid=C87C783887C5C0974BB6C87C783887C5C0974BB6&l=564&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DUN.608051525626430275%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHcDQ0QaIhuc&sigr=11a23hkn8&tt=b&tit=Pastor+Manning%3A+%26%2339%3BObama%26%2339%3Bs+pure%2C+unadulterated+Evil%26%2339%3B&sigt=11u5sr6jf&back=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Drev%2Bmanning%2Byoutube%26type%3Davastbcl%26fr%3Dhp-avast-s%26fp%3D1%26ei%3DUTF-8&sigb=12v94jvhf
Take a look at what Rev. Manning has to say about people having honor and his speech for revolution for positive change.




Musicmystery -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/29/2014 7:25:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

You used to be fairly rational and reasonable and now you've devolved into little more than a crank a step above Sanity and since you insist it isn't because you watch Fox there must be another reason.




They are strikingly the same in substance. Sanity is just less in denial about it. Compare and contrast each thread where they are each the OP. Each post below makes the exact same conclusion with the exact same rationale. Years of posting simply follows this same tune.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4736462/tm.htm (Journalism these days)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4720187/mpage_1/key_cheerleader%252Cbigotry%252Cfundies/tm.htm#4720203 (Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word)





Leftists, as a group, tend to avoid substantive debate as if it were ebola because actual debate harms their cause far more than it helps them. Hence their tactic of trying to turn every thread into ad hominem attacks (and other fallacious attacks) against those pointing out their logical and factual inconsistencies

Fallacy: Circumstantial Ad Hominem




DomKen -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/29/2014 7:37:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The facts in the case only remain simple, neutral, and uncontroversial in your mind. In the actual world --- many people are upset and some are rioting about what happened.

Most people I know have a hard time with:

(1) The Criminal Justice System in Ferguson (read the ArchCity Defenders report.)

(2) Wilson's conduct in this case.

(3) The lack of actual facts about what happened. One witness (Brown) is dead, the other we can't count upon to be honest or objective about what happened.

(4) The Prosecutor did not try to prosecute Wilson -- AKA treat him like a criminal defendant. Instead, he just put a pile of evidence in front of the jurors, nine of whom were white, BTW. None of Wilson's testimony was subject to cross examination.

(5) This case is not about Brown so much as it is about racial profiling, the mass incaceration of black men, the higher percentage chance of being stopped or shot if you are black, the poor being subjected to fines, citations, and poverty inducing bench warrants, and the "fuck you" from the criminal justice system for the families of the victims. (The shooters walk away free.)

The irony of this whole subject is how you are so absolutely tone-dead about it yet shoot your mouth off with arrogant, misplaced conclusions.

So Wilson's guilt or innocence is not relevant, he should be convicted to change the system.

No. how about this.

He should have faced a jury of his peers in a court of law and a special prosecutor should have been appointed to the case. Afterwards no matter the outcome an investigative grand jury needs to look into the ways the communities in St. Louis county operate there civil and criminal justice systems. That Arch City Defenders report really is damning and everyone should read it.




inkedone -> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson (11/29/2014 7:46:47 AM)

Looking at this from simply one side of the coin, and a jury of peers would not be free from bias or Fair, more like a a witch hunt liken to the Salem witch trials. "I say you are a witch so you are a witch". Come on now, how many others have been gunned down in a similar manner that have not drawn national attention? Does that make the law on deadly force, or the justice system any different than this case? Not.




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