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Lopper -> Red Flag? (11/26/2014 3:29:24 PM)

I'm in the situation where im in the process to be a slave. But he says he isn't into the 'community' aspect, and doesnt really care about what the rest of anyone says about something. He avoids questions I have about training, and other things, it almost seems like he wants a butler/maid he can fuck in bondage. I'm worried the relationship could possibly turn abusive. He recently just told me he doesn't want me talking to other Doms. Should this be a red flag?




stef -> RE: Red Flag? (11/26/2014 3:35:05 PM)

Trust your gut.




shiftyw -> RE: Red Flag? (11/26/2014 5:14:31 PM)

I would listen to your instinct




InHisHeart -> RE: Red Flag? (11/26/2014 5:31:47 PM)

My personal rule is, when in doubt.....don't. If I have to wonder if something is a red flag, that in itself is a red flag to me. If the slightest thought that it could turn abusive crosses your mind, why even consider going there?

Have you met in-person, how much time have you spent together getting to know each other? What does he say when you ask him why he avoids your questions?





DarkSteven -> RE: Red Flag? (11/26/2014 7:25:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lopper

I'm in the situation where im in the process to be a slave. But he says he isn't into the 'community' aspect, and doesnt really care about what the rest of anyone says about something. He avoids questions I have about training, and other things, it almost seems like he wants a butler/maid he can fuck in bondage. I'm worried the relationship could possibly turn abusive. He recently just told me he doesn't want me talking to other Doms. Should this be a red flag?


1. He isn't into community. Pinkish flag.
2. He doesn't care what others say. In this context, reddish flag. He's not open to learning or growing.
3. He avoids questions about training. Odd - I will flat out say I'm not going to do it. Either he has the same opinion as me and is inarticulate, or he is hiding something. Red flag.
4. He wants a maid/butler he can fuck in bondage. Sounds like the two of you are not on the same page. And that you've not really discussed it. Red flag.
5. You're worried it might turn abusive. Bright red flag.
6. He doesn't want you talking with other Doms. Please explain. Has he singled out some he feels might be bad for you, and explained why? Or is it every Dom but him? If the former, likely no flags. If the latter, very red flag.




DesFIP -> RE: Red Flag? (11/27/2014 11:16:54 AM)

If the no doms is because he figures someone will poach you, then that needs to be discussed. As in why he doesn't trust you to say no.

The no answering questions would annoy the shit out of me. But it's fine for him to say that he wants someone who doesn't ask questions and does what they're told.

However, the consequence there is that when nobody trusts him that extent right off the bat, he gets to be alone.

I wouldn't call these red flags per se. But I will say that you get to decide what you need as much as him. And if you need someone who does answer questions and who does go to dungeons, then he isn't the right one for you.




Lopper -> RE: Red Flag? (11/27/2014 12:18:11 PM)

Thank you all for your advice.




ivone57 -> RE: Red Flag? (11/30/2014 1:56:11 PM)

I think you already know the answer to that question... if a so called dom wanted you to not have any friends then something is wrong with him and yes it would be a red flag...




FieryOpal -> RE: Red Flag? (11/30/2014 3:04:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lopper

I'm in the situation where im in the process to be a slave. But he says he isn't into the 'community' aspect, and doesnt really care about what the rest of anyone says about something. He avoids questions I have about training, and other things, it almost seems like he wants a butler/maid he can fuck in bondage. I'm worried the relationship could possibly turn abusive. He recently just told me he doesn't want me talking to other Doms. Should this be a red flag?

1st Red Flag - You're in the process of becoming a slave? You're only 19, so I'll assume you are a newbie submissive. There are D/s-Dominant/submissive couples in LTRs-Long Term Relationships where it has taken 2-4 years before they became 24/7 TPE-Total Power Exchange.

2nd Red Flag - Not only are you and your Dom rushing things, but calling yourself a "slave boy" in your profile is an open invitation for attracting predatory "Dominant" types. This is apparent because the two of you do not have an open line of communication. Training is more about teaching and educating than it is anything else. Yes, there's conditioning, but without fully informed consent (explaining processes step by step), that is tantamount to using brainwashing techniques.

3rd Red Flag - Other than not wanting you to speak to other Doms, which could very well be your Dom's insecurity about other Doms trying to poach you as DesFIP mentioned, is he trying to isolate you in other ways? Limiting or forbidding contact with family & friends? This is one of the first signs of abusively controlling behavior, and this is not BDSM. Nor is this how non-dysfunctional D/s relationship dynamics work. D/s-BDSM is always mutually consensual, where the option is also always available to withdraw consent, either temporarily (by safewording) or permanently (either to re-negotiate limits or to end/sever ownership).

4th Red Flag - Any talk about a "slave" having no limits, not allowing you to have Hard Limits, shutting you down by saying that you are "Topping from the bottom" whenever you question him, or that you're not a *real* submissive. (You have a learning curve, both due to inexperience and getting used to a new Master, which is why your Dom feels it necessary to be training you. Of course you're not a *real* whatever at this stage. So what. He doesn't sound like a *real* Master either. [8|] )

5th Red Flag - If part of the no-talking deal and resistance to getting involved with the BDSM community is due to your Dom's fragile ego, then he doesn't consider himself accountable to anyone. That's a Red Flag in itself in any kind of relationship--whether D/s or vanilla.

Ask yourself this, would you tolerate this sort of behavior from a vanilla partner? Did this Dom even take the time to woo you or bring anything to the table other than his Dominance? You're a good-looking boy and you can have your pick of (gay) Dom partners who would treat you better. Leadership should instill confidence, not be causing you more anxieties.




hlen5 -> RE: Red Flag? (11/30/2014 8:13:59 PM)

If your best friend told you the exact same thing was going on in his relationship, what would you tell him?




SeekingTrinity -> RE: Red Flag? (11/30/2014 10:39:06 PM)

~FRing it~

The part about not being into "the community" doesn't necessarily bother me too much. My guy and I aren't really community people at this point in our lives, but we both did have community activity in our past individual lives. We're older though, have been doing this quite awhile, and tend to prefer our own company or those of close friends we might develop along the way.

As for the rest, your spidey senses sound like they are tingling big time. Trust that shit because it's happening for damned good reasons.




alia42 -> RE: Red Flag? (12/13/2014 12:48:01 PM)

I would take the advice you were given and trust your gut. As far as avoiding community, though, I avoid people that are into the community. Its a huge turn off for me. I wouldn't go by that alone.




NorthernGent -> RE: Red Flag? (12/13/2014 1:37:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lopper

I'm in the situation where im in the process to be a slave. But he says he isn't into the 'community' aspect, and doesnt really care about what the rest of anyone says about something. He avoids questions I have about training, and other things, it almost seems like he wants a butler/maid he can fuck in bondage. I'm worried the relationship could possibly turn abusive. He recently just told me he doesn't want me talking to other Doms. Should this be a red flag?



No use in listening to your gut instinct in the event you're not usually a good judge of a situation. If more often than not you're an astute person, then probably wise to follow your nose.

Isn't into the community aspect? Many aren't.

Doesn't want you talking to other Doms? Not unusual.

Too early to say as far as I can tell. More talking could help.




thishereboi -> RE: Red Flag? (12/13/2014 3:26:15 PM)

It would be for me.




poise -> RE: Red Flag? (12/13/2014 6:28:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lopper
He avoids questions I have about training, and other things, Should this be a red flag?

Your journal entry states you have concerns about communicating well in the event
you aren't a good boy. Avoiding your questions isn't an ideal way to communicate,
so this would be the red flag for me.

Since you are still in the process of becoming a slave (which basically means you
are under his consideration) I actually think it would benefit you greatly to continue
talking with other Doms, just so you can realize that there are men out there that
are more suitable to your need for good communication. After all, partnering with
another person, regardless of which side of the kneel you are on, requires that you
are both compatible physically and emotionally. Therefore, he is just as much under
your consideration as you are under his, until you both agree that you will make a good couple.




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