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cloudboy -> BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/9/2014 7:58:46 AM)


One reason I don't like Republicans is there penchant for having the FOX guard the hen house. Here's a prime example. One can only imagine the EPA with Republicans appointing it's administration....

>>The letter to the Environmental Protection Agency from Attorney General Scott Pruitt of Oklahoma carried a blunt accusation: Federal regulators were grossly overestimating the amount of air pollution caused by energy companies drilling new natural gas wells in his state.

But Mr. Pruitt left out one critical point. The three-page letter was written by lawyers for Devon Energy, one of Oklahoma’s biggest oil and gas companies, and was delivered to him by Devon’s chief of lobbying.<<

Oligarchy at it's best, and Oklahoma folk can't get enough of it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/us/politics/energy-firms-in-secretive-alliance-with-attorneys-general.html





Sanity -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/9/2014 8:11:51 AM)


Got anything that isnt from a tainted, far left "news" source?




mnottertail -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/9/2014 8:13:08 AM)

Nope, nobody slobbers over hallucinatory nutsucker entertainment sources here but you and a couple others.




cloudboy -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/9/2014 8:15:32 AM)


You just can't own it, can you? The actual letter is there for you to read:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/12/07/us/politics/documents-attorneys-general-and-the-energy-industry.html




GoddessManko -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/9/2014 8:49:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Got anything that isnt from a tainted, far left "news" source?


This came to mind from my more political days darling.
Sex, Drugs and Offshore Drilling.




DesideriScuri -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/9/2014 11:50:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
One reason I don't like Republicans is there penchant for having the FOX guard the hen house. Here's a prime example. One can only imagine the EPA with Republicans appointing it's administration....
>>The letter to the Environmental Protection Agency from Attorney General Scott Pruitt of Oklahoma carried a blunt accusation: Federal regulators were grossly overestimating the amount of air pollution caused by energy companies drilling new natural gas wells in his state.
But Mr. Pruitt left out one critical point. The three-page letter was written by lawyers for Devon Energy, one of Oklahoma’s biggest oil and gas companies, and was delivered to him by Devon’s chief of lobbying.<<
Oligarchy at it's best, and Oklahoma folk can't get enough of it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/us/politics/energy-firms-in-secretive-alliance-with-attorneys-general.html


Didn't an insurance CEO write much of Obamacare?

Why is it that it only bothers you when it's a Republican?

A letter to the EPA has what sort of force of law? Any?




joether -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/9/2014 12:45:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
One reason I don't like Republicans is there penchant for having the FOX guard the hen house. Here's a prime example. One can only imagine the EPA with Republicans appointing it's administration....
>>The letter to the Environmental Protection Agency from Attorney General Scott Pruitt of Oklahoma carried a blunt accusation: Federal regulators were grossly overestimating the amount of air pollution caused by energy companies drilling new natural gas wells in his state.
But Mr. Pruitt left out one critical point. The three-page letter was written by lawyers for Devon Energy, one of Oklahoma’s biggest oil and gas companies, and was delivered to him by Devon’s chief of lobbying.<<
Oligarchy at it's best, and Oklahoma folk can't get enough of it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/us/politics/energy-firms-in-secretive-alliance-with-attorneys-general.html


Didn't an insurance CEO write much of Obamacare?


Which insurance CEO was that, DS?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Why is it that it only bothers you when it's a Republican?


Should we not hold those in elected office fully accountable and responsible with the power they wield? Oh forgot, that only applies to Democrats in your viewpoint....

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
A letter to the EPA has what sort of force of law? Any?


Depends on WHOM its from. If it were from the Justice Department, the White House, or Congress. I imagine it would have very serious force behind it.

The point here, which you and I understand clearly (and your trying to evade the reality), is of a corporation controlling someone elected by the people for its interest, not theirs! If its not 'ok' for Democrats to do it, then its certainly not 'ok' for Republican/Tea Party to do it as well!









DesideriScuri -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/10/2014 8:13:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
One reason I don't like Republicans is there penchant for having the FOX guard the hen house. Here's a prime example. One can only imagine the EPA with Republicans appointing it's administration....
>>The letter to the Environmental Protection Agency from Attorney General Scott Pruitt of Oklahoma carried a blunt accusation: Federal regulators were grossly overestimating the amount of air pollution caused by energy companies drilling new natural gas wells in his state.
But Mr. Pruitt left out one critical point. The three-page letter was written by lawyers for Devon Energy, one of Oklahoma’s biggest oil and gas companies, and was delivered to him by Devon’s chief of lobbying.<<
Oligarchy at it's best, and Oklahoma folk can't get enough of it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/us/politics/energy-firms-in-secretive-alliance-with-attorneys-general.html

Didn't an insurance CEO write much of Obamacare?

Which insurance CEO was that, DS?


I was wrong. It was an insurance CEO. It was Liz Fowler, a Wellpoint VP. And, she left to lobby for Johnson & Johnson.

Another source.


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Why is it that it only bothers you when it's a Republican?

Should we not hold those in elected office fully accountable and responsible with the power they wield? Oh forgot, that only applies to Democrats in your viewpoint....


Where did I say otherwise?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
A letter to the EPA has what sort of force of law? Any?

Depends on WHOM its from. If it were from the Justice Department, the White House, or Congress. I imagine it would have very serious force behind it.


And, in the case of the OP, it's an AG from a State whining to a Federal Agency. Thus, zero force of law there.

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The point here, which you and I understand clearly (and your trying to evade the reality), is of a corporation controlling someone elected by the people for its interest, not theirs! If its not 'ok' for Democrats to do it, then its certainly not 'ok' for Republican/Tea Party to do it as well!


It isn't okay for Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, or any other member of a political party to be bought and paid for. I've never stated otherwise.




cloudboy -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/10/2014 9:39:44 AM)


This dovetails in many ways with all the Power Plant pollution in N.C. wherein Duke Energy overran the authority of N.C.'s state EPA administration.




CreativeDominant -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/10/2014 10:58:44 AM)

And the EPA is often controlled by environmental groups who are acting in their interests, not necessarily the majority's interest




Musicmystery -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/10/2014 11:04:41 AM)

I'd like to see the evidence of that, please.

More often regulatory agencies are controlled by industry insiders, i.e., the regulated. Not sure that's the case here, but would like to see data/evidence. Thanks.




joether -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/10/2014 11:45:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Didn't an insurance CEO write much of Obamacare?

Which insurance CEO was that, DS?

I was wrong. It was an insurance CEO. It was Liz Fowler, a Wellpoint VP. And, she left to lobby for Johnson & Johnson.


Like the Affordable Care Act, reading the text is not completing the full assignment, but understanding what that text means. Most understand what Mr. Cooper is stating, but not what it means. This link that you give, state's Miss Fowler wrote the document. Did she really? Thomas Edison has the most patents, yet, didn't invent all the stuff he holds a patent with; instead, others did all the 'back-breaking' research and he placed his name on the documents.

From your link:

"As a senior aide to Baucus, she directs the Finance Committee health care staff, enforces deadlines on drafting bill language and coordinates with the White House and other lawmakers. She also troubleshoots, identifying policy and political problems before they ripen.

With all of that, how does one find time to write a 2409 page bill that would survive under normal Congressional scrutiny, let along one were a sizable (but minor) section of the nation will nit pick any part of it over petty reasons? Imagine if George R. R. Martin had to stand up to that sort of scrutiny on any of his 'Game of Thrones' books? That guy would be drown in so much "YOU KILLED MY FAVORITE CHARACTER YOU F#*@ING BASTARD!!!!"

Its more likely there was a team of authors whom took much of their work from the Republican Party viewpoints on healthcare from the start of the new millennium (which is true). And Miss Fowler, in her public job, put a metaphorical 'stamp of approval' on it, just as Mr. Edison did with patents.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Another source.


This is not direct proof of anything other than claiming Miss Fowler took a private sector job and a bit of work history.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Why is it that it only bothers you when it's a Republican?

Should we not hold those in elected office fully accountable and responsible with the power they wield? Oh forgot, that only applies to Democrats in your viewpoint....

Where did I say otherwise?


You imply it.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
A letter to the EPA has what sort of force of law? Any?

Depends on WHOM its from. If it were from the Justice Department, the White House, or Congress. I imagine it would have very serious force behind it.

And, in the case of the OP, it's an AG from a State whining to a Federal Agency. Thus, zero force of law there.


Where do you think many US Supreme Courts issues originate from? Either directly or indirectly.

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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
The point here, which you and I understand clearly (and your trying to evade the reality), is of a corporation controlling someone elected by the people for its interest, not theirs! If its not 'ok' for Democrats to do it, then its certainly not 'ok' for Republican/Tea Party to do it as well!

It isn't okay for Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, or any other member of a political party to be bought and paid for. I've never stated otherwise.


So how should the voting public deal with this issue? Let it slide until the next election in two years? How much damage could one attorney general do in a two year span, whom is bought off by corporations, towards US Citizens in that area? Should they find out the hard way? Or have him removed from office? Back in the 18th and 19th centuries, anyone found following the orders of an entity that was not a US Citizen (aka a living, breathing person), was drummed out of office, if not executed.




DesideriScuri -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/10/2014 2:04:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Didn't an insurance CEO write much of Obamacare?

Which insurance CEO was that, DS?

I was wrong. It was an insurance CEO. It was Liz Fowler, a Wellpoint VP. And, she left to lobby for Johnson & Johnson.

Like the Affordable Care Act, reading the text is not completing the full assignment, but understanding what that text means. Most understand what Mr. Cooper is stating, but not what it means. This link that you give, state's Miss Fowler wrote the document. Did she really? Thomas Edison has the most patents, yet, didn't invent all the stuff he holds a patent with; instead, others did all the 'back-breaking' research and he placed his name on the documents.
From your link:
"As a senior aide to Baucus, she directs the Finance Committee health care staff, enforces deadlines on drafting bill language and coordinates with the White House and other lawmakers. She also troubleshoots, identifying policy and political problems before they ripen.
With all of that, how does one find time to write a 2409 page bill that would survive under normal Congressional scrutiny, let along one were a sizable (but minor) section of the nation will nit pick any part of it over petty reasons? Imagine if George R. R. Martin had to stand up to that sort of scrutiny on any of his 'Game of Thrones' books? That guy would be drown in so much "YOU KILLED MY FAVORITE CHARACTER YOU F#*@ING BASTARD!!!!"
Its more likely there was a team of authors whom took much of their work from the Republican Party viewpoints on healthcare from the start of the new millennium (which is true). And Miss Fowler, in her public job, put a metaphorical 'stamp of approval' on it, just as Mr. Edison did with patents.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Another source.

This is not direct proof of anything other than claiming Miss Fowler took a private sector job and a bit of work history.


The last link demonstrated the same thing as the others. Nothing more.

Baucus thanking Fowler

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Why is it that it only bothers you when it's a Republican?

Should we not hold those in elected office fully accountable and responsible with the power they wield? Oh forgot, that only applies to Democrats in your viewpoint....

Where did I say otherwise?

You imply it.


No. You assume I imply it. That's all about your analysis and nothing else, Joether.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
A letter to the EPA has what sort of force of law? Any?

Depends on WHOM its from. If it were from the Justice Department, the White House, or Congress. I imagine it would have very serious force behind it.

And, in the case of the OP, it's an AG from a State whining to a Federal Agency. Thus, zero force of law there.

Where do you think many US Supreme Courts issues originate from? Either directly or indirectly.


The OK AG chastised the EPA over their overestimation of air pollution caused by energy companies drilling for nat. gas in OK. That's going to be the basis of a SCOTUS case?!? Well, glory be! If it gets to the SCOTUS, it will likely have gone through the system and there would likely be some sort of merits to the case, no?

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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
The point here, which you and I understand clearly (and your trying to evade the reality), is of a corporation controlling someone elected by the people for its interest, not theirs! If its not 'ok' for Democrats to do it, then its certainly not 'ok' for Republican/Tea Party to do it as well!

It isn't okay for Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, or any other member of a political party to be bought and paid for. I've never stated otherwise.

So how should the voting public deal with this issue? Let it slide until the next election in two years? How much damage could one attorney general do in a two year span, whom is bought off by corporations, towards US Citizens in that area? Should they find out the hard way? Or have him removed from office? Back in the 18th and 19th centuries, anyone found following the orders of an entity that was not a US Citizen (aka a living, breathing person), was drummed out of office, if not executed.


What should voters do? Voters should do whatever is legally called for. If that's a position open for recall, then there you have it.

What if the letter is right, though?




CreativeDominant -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/10/2014 2:26:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'd like to see the evidence of that, please.

More often regulatory agencies are controlled by industry insiders, i.e., the regulated. Not sure that's the case here, but would like to see data/evidence. Thanks.
Take a look at the Sue and Settle section: http://www.americanlegislator.org/the-epas-assault-on-state-sovereignty-part-i/




MrRodgers -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/10/2014 6:50:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'd like to see the evidence of that, please.

More often regulatory agencies are controlled by industry insiders, i.e., the regulated. Not sure that's the case here, but would like to see data/evidence. Thanks.
Take a look at the Sue and Settle section: http://www.americanlegislator.org/the-epas-assault-on-state-sovereignty-part-i/

Well two things come to mind, not only the fact that the environment is a national issue not a state issue (i,e., pollution and carbon does go everywhere) but state sovereignty is a protection...only when it suits certain people. Otherwise if 'important' enough...it's a national issue.

It all depends where one seeks to invest their 'free speech' [sic] in govt.




Musicmystery -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/10/2014 8:06:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'd like to see the evidence of that, please.

More often regulatory agencies are controlled by industry insiders, i.e., the regulated. Not sure that's the case here, but would like to see data/evidence. Thanks.
Take a look at the Sue and Settle section: http://www.americanlegislator.org/the-epas-assault-on-state-sovereignty-part-i/

That's a pretty weak case for your claim. Settling suits is common, not just here, as trial is costly, even when you win.




cloudboy -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/28/2014 8:24:22 AM)

A Bipartisan Push to Limit Lobbyists’ Sway Over Attorneys General

A welcomed step in the right direction!

WASHINGTON — In state legislatures and major professional associations, a bipartisan effort is emerging to change the way state attorneys general interact with lobbyists, campaign donors and other corporate representatives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/27/us/bipartisan-effort-to-restrict-lobbyists-influence-of-attorneys-general.html?_r=0




DesideriScuri -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/28/2014 9:02:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
A Bipartisan Push to Limit Lobbyists’ Sway Over Attorneys General
A welcomed step in the right direction!
WASHINGTON — In state legislatures and major professional associations, a bipartisan effort is emerging to change the way state attorneys general interact with lobbyists, campaign donors and other corporate representatives.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/27/us/bipartisan-effort-to-restrict-lobbyists-influence-of-attorneys-general.html?_r=0


First State AG's, and then, hopefully, we can force this on DC, too.




Musicmystery -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/29/2014 10:23:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
One reason I don't like Republicans is there penchant for having the FOX guard the hen house. Here's a prime example. One can only imagine the EPA with Republicans appointing it's administration....
>>The letter to the Environmental Protection Agency from Attorney General Scott Pruitt of Oklahoma carried a blunt accusation: Federal regulators were grossly overestimating the amount of air pollution caused by energy companies drilling new natural gas wells in his state.
But Mr. Pruitt left out one critical point. The three-page letter was written by lawyers for Devon Energy, one of Oklahoma’s biggest oil and gas companies, and was delivered to him by Devon’s chief of lobbying.<<
Oligarchy at it's best, and Oklahoma folk can't get enough of it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/us/politics/energy-firms-in-secretive-alliance-with-attorneys-general.html


Didn't an insurance CEO write much of Obamacare?

Why is it that it only bothers you when it's a Republican?

A letter to the EPA has what sort of force of law? Any?

Is it OK if he's bothered whatever the political affiliation?




DesideriScuri -> RE: BIG Oil buys and owns Republican Attorneys General (12/29/2014 3:13:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Is it OK if he's bothered whatever the political affiliation?


It should bother people, regardless of political party of the person in office, or the general population of the US. I've not said otherwise. Joether even puked up more partisan rhetoric claiming I don't care about stuff that R's do, which I rebutted.






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