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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Upon the Taliban influencing Afghan. in any military way there was no such group as Al Quada except that which was a loose term used by the CIA meaning 'data base' and only describing the list of men called mujaheddin that fought the Soviets.
Subsequent to kicking out the Soviets, OBL wanted to hit the US, the Taliban did not. OBL obtained 2 men that the Taliban allowed him to recruit and only because they wanted his money.
Then is the only time any group that the CIA could then call 'Al-Quada' was brought into existence as a handy name for our new fear and one established to take the hit for the Cole and 9/11.

The only reason the Taliban were toppled was because they were harboring al Qaeda and wouldn't allow us entry to root out bin Laden. Since we didn't attack Afghanistan and the Taliban to hit them before they hit us, the Afghanistan War isn't a pre-emptive war/strike, no matter what MM might want to spin.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Hence the reason for deliberation.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Upon the Taliban influencing Afghan. in any military way there was no such group as Al Quada except that which was a loose term used by the CIA meaning 'data base' and only describing the list of men called mujaheddin that fought the Soviets.
Subsequent to kicking out the Soviets, OBL wanted to hit the US, the Taliban did not. OBL obtained 2 men that the Taliban allowed him to recruit and only because they wanted his money.
Then is the only time any group that the CIA could then call 'Al-Quada' was brought into existence as a handy name for our new fear and one established to take the hit for the Cole and 9/11.

The only reason the Taliban were toppled was because they were harboring al Qaeda and wouldn't allow us entry to root out bin Laden. Since we didn't attack Afghanistan and the Taliban to hit them before they hit us, the Afghanistan War isn't a pre-emptive war/strike, no matter what MM might want to spin.

I would agree with you but we didn't need to go that far. All we needed to do was send in the CIA, then an OPS teams and then and only if needed...the marines for extraction. Done deal.
I am of the firm belief that both Afghan. and Iraq were wars for hegemony and profits.
Some will say and I don't disagree...to start to remake the ME first into a chaos and then later, into our image even though circa the 1950's...they already were.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Hence the reason for deliberation.

There isn't even deliberation going on. Things are being claimed to be rights, without any actual definition of what a right is. There can be no deliberations.