RE: Are women on a kink site all immoral sluts?

RE: Are women on a kink site all immoral sluts? (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion

Message

NorthernGent -> RE: Are women on a kink site all immoral sluts? (12/15/2014 12:18:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal If this word means nothing to you, does that still give you the right to insult others, specifically women? No such thing as a right to not insult or insult others. People can say what they want, whether or not it means anything to you is up to you. quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal You may not mind being called a limey bastard. [:D] The 'limey' is alright, think the 'bastard is pushing it mind you. quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal No "reasonable person" would take such uninvited, non-consensual liberties. Context is everything. It certainly would be a liberty taken to come on a website and call people 'immoral sluts', but then that was the whole point of my post: it's so laughable it can't possibly be taken seriously.

FieryOpal -> RE: Are women on a kink site all immoral sluts? (12/15/2014 1:05:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal If this word means nothing to you, does that still give you the right to insult others, specifically women? No such thing as a right to not insult or insult others. People can say what they want, whether or not it means anything to you is up to you. In the Feisty section of these Message Boards,..otherwise, no. What right is there to go around insulting others on the profile side and NOT get enough reports logged against your account to get thrown off this site? But at least you practice what you preach (by not getting offended?). [:)] quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal You may not mind being called a limey bastard. [:D] The 'limey' is alright, think the 'bastard is pushing it mind you. Got it. That one's not permitted then. (You have my word.) quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal No "reasonable person" would take such uninvited, non-consensual liberties. Context is everything. It certainly would be a liberty taken to come on a website and call people 'immoral sluts', but then that was the whole point of my post: it's so laughable it can't possibly be taken seriously. Laughable to you, a man. Yet what woman would contact you out of the blue or respond to your Not Interested message by saying this to you about yourself or any other Dom? It just wouldn't happen. Yet total strangers will insult women who do not respond favorably to their come-ons. Whether it's "slut", "whore", "bull dyke", or "fat pig", this is unacceptable potty-mouth behavior. The disrespectful attitude and warped (cock-centric) mentality prevalent on kink sites, that kinky women are stereotypically fast, loose, and can be easily had - when this offensive stereotype is not true for the majority of kinky women, of all women - is what this OP is about.

shiftyw -> RE: Are women on a kink site all immoral sluts? (12/15/2014 1:23:53 PM)
I applaud your feminist effort FO. I do think in a first message it is a bit much, but when my guy, or a friend says it to me, I take it as a compliment. Anyone messages me with that first off on the other side without bothering to make me comfortable enough with it, will rub me the wrong way

Charles6682 -> RE: Are women on a kink site all immoral sluts? (12/15/2014 1:36:02 PM)
For the guy's with this attitude about Women on kink sites, it usually stems from the same old tired patriarchal mentality. Also, religious "holier than thou" nut jobs who have no life. I think the guys who do this, are mostly guys who get rejected by Women a lot because of their mentality and they sit on the internet all day in their underwear with nothing else to do.

NorthernGent -> RE: Are women on a kink site all immoral sluts? (12/15/2014 1:42:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal In the Feisty section of these Message Boards,..otherwise, no. What right is there to go around insulting others on the profile side and NOT get enough reports logged against your account to get thrown off this site? A 'right' to voice your opinion? Seems to be the most basic right, in as far as there is such a thing as a 'right'. A 'right' is something that can't be taken away from you, by definition, and you can certainly have free speech taken away from you. In terms of banned from the site, that's house rules, so they make the rules and the penalties. But, none of this has anything to do with 'rights'. Posters, men and women, have the opportunity, but not the right, to say what they want; and the people who run this site will deal with it accordingly. It boils down to decorum, but certainly not 'rights'. quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Laughable to you, a man. I'm not speaking as a man, although in all truth I tend to view myself as a man (I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder). I'm looking at this as someone who thinks that women are no more or less fair game for insults than men are. It doesn't matter whether or not I'm a man, completely irrelevant. If women (a woman) want to take the position that men shouldn't laugh their heads off at the stupidity of a term such as "immoral sluts", and instead should take pity on women in general, then perhaps you're perpetuating the underlying reason as to why men still hold more power in society? More of a question than a statement, by the way. quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal when this offensive stereotype is not true for the majority of kinky women, of all women - is what this OP is about. I don't doubt it's untrue, which is partly why I was laughing at the 'immoral sluts' line. It makes absolutely no sense to me, and sounds like something said in 1950. I think ideas have moved on since then.

NorthernGent -> RE: Are women on a kink site all immoral sluts? (12/15/2014 1:46:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shiftyw I applaud your feminist effort FO. It may be anti-feminist. In the sense that feminists may think that men are applying the rules and regulations and women are doomed to fall into line. The only way out of it is to take ownership, so when men attempt to apply the rules and regulations, or in this case labelling people 'immoral sluts', then the appropriate response could be: "fuck you, pal", rather than getting mired in feelings being hurt. Just a thought. Regardless, assuming we all have a choice, which I think we do, and a woman chooses to being hurt by a man's words rather than brushing them off for what they are, then what is that saying?

FieryOpal -> RE: Are women on a kink site all immoral sluts? (12/15/2014 2:21:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent A 'right' to voice your opinion? Seems to be the most basic right, in as far as there is such a thing as a 'right'. A 'right' is something that can't be taken away from you, by definition, and you can certainly have free speech taken away from you. In terms of banned from the site, that's house rules, so they make the rules and the penalties. But, none of this has anything to do with 'rights'. Posters, men and women, have the opportunity, but not the right, to say what they want; and the people who run this site will deal with it accordingly. It boils down to decorum, but certainly not 'rights'. Semantics aside, an internalized right as in self-entitlement. Is that clearer? After all, we have the Bill of Rights. You have...the Magna Carta. We're not discussing politics here. If I may remind you, the title of this thread is "Are women on a kink site..." Therefore, this topic has to do with agreeing to the terms of the site one signs up for. That you cannot distinguish between our distinctly American 1st Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech, your self-entitled belief that "People can say what they want," re insulting others (on a free-to-the public site), and what constitutes sexual harassment, is beyond the scope of my comprehension. [8\|] If that is not what you are purporting, then please feel free to clarify. quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent I'm looking at this as someone who thinks that women are no more or less fair game for insults than men are. Your empathy astounds me. Do two wrongs make a right? (Right as in the opposite of Wrong) quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent I don't doubt it's untrue, which is partly why I was laughing at the 'immoral sluts' line. It makes absolutely no sense to me, and sounds like something said in 1950. I think ideas have moved on since then. In which Ivory Tower have these ideas moved on within society, much less across the entire globe? That is makes no sense to you essentially means that this subject matter doesn't pertain to you. It must be nice, btw, to breathe such rarified air. [8D] quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent It may be anti-feminist. In the sense that feminists may think that men are applying the rules and regulations and women are doomed to fall into line. [8\|] You may be right (as in not wrong) that this issue is not a feminist one. Not to sound like a broken record, but feminism is not about men and women becoming alike, as in the same. Equal does not mean the same. Dominants and submissives have equal worth and value IMO--this does NOT make them the same in authority, which is why it is even possible for a power exchange to take place between them. We will always be different, and not just anatomically. Feminism is about equal opportunity at the mundane level and freedom of choice in terms of ideals or ideology, or what has been termed "Equal Rights," along the lines of "Human Rights." Equal Unalienable Rights, if I might add. Basic, decent Human Rights, including the right to fair and decent treatment, a concept of which I'm sure you are not unaware. [Edited to insert phrase]

NorthernGent -> RE: Are women on a kink site all immoral sluts? (12/15/2014 2:31:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal In which Ivory Tower have these ideas moved on within society In mine, FieryOpal, and when push comes to shove that's all that matters. What's going in my world is more important than what some bloke whom I haven't met has to say about 'immoral sluts'. I'm sure it's the case for you too. quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Basic, decent Human Rights, including the right to fair and decent treatment As you say, not for this section of the site, only to add that if anyone's waiting around for a fair crack of the whip, man or woman, then they could be waiting a long time. Nothing's going to fall into anyone's lap unless they work for it, and no appeal to 'inalienable rights' will help. P.S. The English Bill of Rights, 1688, pre-ceded the US equivalent, and of course the US equivalent drew heavily from the English version. Not to mention Englishmen who were involved in writing some of your states' rights.

booklover13 -> RE: Are women on a kink site all immoral sluts? (12/15/2014 4:09:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12 Many men who actively message on here don't really care about the parts of your profile that say what you're not looking for. They just see single, hard working, independent, not looking for a lot of control and they latch on to that. In my opinion it is more productive to say what you ARE looking for. As it stands, your profile is more a complaint about the men you don't want, than an attraction to the men you DO want. And that doesn't work because the idiots don't read profiles anyway and the men who do take the time to read profiles are put off by the list of things you don't want. Pretend that the married cheaters won't read a word you write, and pretend that the nice decent guys will read everything you write and you'll be right more of the time than you'll be wrong :-) Good point. I tend to be crabby. It's a terrible character flaw. I'm going to make a few changes. Thanks.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Are women on a kink site all immoral sluts? (12/15/2014 4:53:54 PM)
Every one of them. (And don't let anyone tell you any differently).

Page: << < prev 1 2 [3]

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.046875